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RSLancastr · 27th July 2007, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by T'ai Chi

Aren't we all ultimately responsible for our own actions? If you're reading a book, whatever book, that has medical opinions in it, and you do things in there without checking first with your doctor(s)... well... whose fault is that?

Ah, but doctors, along with Big Pharma (tm), are the bad guys - the titular "They" who don't want you to know about these cures!

Why would someone who buys into the books entire premise check with their doctor before following the book's advice?

Given that, are you suggesting that anyone foolish enough to buy into the book's premise deserves whatever happens to them as a result?

Also, if I write a book which purports that a diet of hemlock is good for you, and people die as a result of following that advice, would I be totally free of responsibility in your eyes?

bruto · 27th July 2007, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by T'ai Chi

To say 'this book killed X' doesn't seem to be logically correct unless the book fell on X crushing X to death.

Aren't we all ultimately responsible for our own actions? If you're reading a book, whatever book, that has medical opinions in it, and you do things in there without checking first with your doctor(s)... well... whose fault is that?

If you're going to go on your doctor's advice in the end, doesn't it seem like a waste of time and money to go out and buy a book that by its very nature and claimed purpose is meant to contradict that advice, and is openly advertised as containing cures that your doctor will almost certainly oppose and do everything in his power to suppress?

Tricky · 27th July 2007, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by T'ai Chi

To say 'this book killed X' doesn't seem to be logically correct unless the book fell on X crushing X to death.

Aren't we all ultimately responsible for our own actions? If you're reading a book, whatever book, that has medical opinions in it, and you do things in there without checking first with your doctor(s)... well... whose fault is that?

If that book says that doctors are crooks who are only trying to steal your money, yeah, I give the author some blame for that.

Flow of information always requires some regulation. How much is a difficult question, but there are limits to what you can say.

My father-in-law was a sick and desperate man, but all Trudeau cares is that he paid $29.95 for that book. I have a strong opinion of those who prey on sick and desperate people.

T'ai Chi · 27th July 2007, 08:31 PM

"bruto", some of us like to read, and moreover are open-minded enough to read opposing viewpoints.

What can I say more than that? Why do you care what I spend my money on in the first place?

Kochanski · 27th July 2007, 08:46 PM

T'ai, you enjoy reading books by people talking about something that they have no training in? Something they have done no research on and don't even have the credentials to do even if they wished to appear "scientific"? Someone who was convicted of larceny, spent time in prison because he posed as a doctor to scam money off of people.

An open mind is good, one open to any old folderall is a waste of brain cells.

T'ai Chi · 27th July 2007, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Kochanski

T'ai, you enjoy reading books by people talking about something that they have no training in? Something they have done no research on and don't even have the credentials to do even if they wished to appear "scientific"? Someone who was convicted of larceny, spent time in prison because he posed as a doctor to scam money off of people.

Apparently I'm in good company. Your idol Randi has an entirely library of such books, right? I just mentioned buying 1 such book.

Kochanski · 27th July 2007, 09:20 PM

T'ai, I idolize no one. I am an Atheist, I have no gods and want none, thank you very much. I respect what Randi does and what he stands for, but I do not make an idol out of him.

You on the other hand just start threads about woo-woo and say everything is "interesting" and then promptly avoid saying anything else of any consequence or use.

CFLarsen · 27th July 2007, 11:56 PM

Lets of questions for T'ai Chi. But, as usual, no answers.

Drudgewire · 28th July 2007, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by RSLancastr

Ah, but doctors, along with Big Pharma (tm), are the bad guys - the titular "They" who don't want you to know about these cures!

Why would someone who buys into the books entire premise check with their doctor before following the book's advice?

Given that, are you suggesting that anyone foolish enough to buy into the book's premise deserves whatever happens to them as a result?

Also, if I write a book which purports that a diet of hemlock is good for you, and people die as a result of following that advice, would I be totally free of responsibility in your eyes?

Just watched the paid ad, and this nails it.

At one point he out and out accuses the medical industry of covering up these cures (linseed oil kills breast cancer better than chemo... AND A CANADIAN STUDY PROVED IT... but the press is in cahoots with the doctors and doesn't tell the world this) and the Government of being jackbooted thugs hell bent on concealing it (paraphrasing: "if I told you an orange prevented scurvy since it isn't a drug agents could come into my house WITH GUNS and arrest me").

These are the people that his readers should then go to with his "natural alternatives" and ask if they're safe? They might get GUNS DRAWN ON THEM just for asking.

And the best thing is that he uses that scare tactic to justify his own past... because grand larceny and running pyramid schemes are only on the books to prevent people from living healthy without drugs.

I get a little annoyed at pyschics and the other woo-based nonsense. But as worthless as the products they pawn are, for the most part crystals and golf pins and perpetual energy machines do little more than separate the gullible from their money. Kevin Trudeau, on the other hand, infuriates me. The upside is eventually he will get what's coming to him, as it isn't like no one in our legal system ever heard of him.

Amapola · 28th July 2007, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by T'ai Chi

Apparently I'm in good company. Your idol Randi has an entirely library of such books, right? I just mentioned buying 1 such book.

To state that "Randi is Kochanski's idol" does not seem to be logically correct unless Kochanski had previously stated Randi was an idol. This was not the case. Simply posting on the JREF does not mean one idolizes Randi. After all, you have posted many times here and you do not idolize Randi.

Tai Chi, you are a brilliant wood turner. Why do you waste your time doing things like starting this thread, since you apparently haven't even gotten anything to say about this book other than "interesting"? Have you run out of wood? If you need some please PM me and I will send you some.

bruto · 28th July 2007, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by T'ai Chi

"bruto", some of us like to read, and moreover are open-minded enough to read opposing viewpoints.

What can I say more than that? Why do you care what I spend my money on in the first place?

That seems like a particularly peevish (dare I say trollish?) answer for someone who started this thread himself inviting comments on your purchase of the book. I like to read too. I don't care what you spend your money on, but my comment on that purchase is that it seems a waste of money to buy one if you know from the blurb that it contains advice that you can be almost entirely positive you would never use (assuming that your comment about taking a doctor's opinion before trying things was honest). To express such an opinion is not the same as saying I care about how you spend your money, and I wonder that you seem not to appreciate the difference.

Of course, if your purchase of the book was in the public interest, in order to evaluate its contents and report on that to others, then I will recant that previous opinion, congratulate you on your altruistic expenditure, and eagerly await an actual commitment on your part to producing an informed opinion on the contents of the book after you've had a chance to finish reading it.

Eos of the Eons · 28th July 2007, 10:46 AM

My teacher let me know she doesn't believe in sunscreen, and neither does Kev. In fact, Kev lets us all know that suncreen is what causes skin cancer. Will you ever use sunscreen T'ai? Oh, and I'd recommend you follow Kev's wonderful suggestions and believe every word he says in his book, since you have such a wonderfully open mind and positive attitude about the great Kev.

Oh, and we're still waiting for the cures he promises to have in his book, going by the cover title. Please post them for us, since they clearly work (Tammy must be grateful for all of his help).

T'ai Chi · 28th July 2007, 12:45 PM

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Will you ever use sunscreen T'ai?
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How do you know I don't already use it?

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Oh, and I'd recommend you follow Kev's wonderful suggestions and believe every word he says in his book, since you have such a wonderfully open mind and positive attitude about the great Kev.

Open mind lets you disagree with people too. Or did you forget?

T'ai Chi · 28th July 2007, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Amapola

Why do you waste your time doing things like starting this thread, since you apparently haven't even gotten anything to say about this book other than "interesting"? Have you run out of wood?

I'm wondering why you're concerned with what others post or how they spend their time.

bruto · 28th July 2007, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by T'ai Chi

I'm wondering why you're concerned with what others post or how they spend their time.

If you are truly wondering this, and truly consider such responses to be invasive, I wonder why you start any threads at all. Mind you I am not concerned about the time you waste starting threads and posting argumentative non-responses on them, but I am somewhat curious.

Amapola · 28th July 2007, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by T'ai Chi

I'm wondering why you're concerned with what others post or how they spend their time.

As far as you are concerned, I just feel the world is missing out on some great art, that's all. So you need wonder no more.

BTW, what are your opinions on the book? You commented you could not find an "objective" (I think that is word you used....) commentary on it. Will you now write one?

WildCat · 28th July 2007, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by T'ai Chi

I just bought

Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About

Odd, because they keep advertising that they're giving it away for free.

Eos of the Eons · 28th July 2007, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by T'ai Chi

Originally Posted by Eos of the Eons

Will you ever use sunscreen T'ai?

How do you know I don't already use it?

Open mind lets you disagree with people too. Or did you forget?

I have no idea what your definition of an open mind is, nor what your opinion is on that book, its author, or the contents. Are you going to offer up your definitions and opinions now? Do you use sunscreen?

Tricky · 28th July 2007, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Amapola

BTW, what are your opinions on the book? You commented you could not find an "objective" (I think that is word you used....) commentary on it. Will you now write one?

Are you seriously asking T'ai Chi to say something definitive about his own opinions here? That is sweet, if naive.

T'ai does not contribute to the threads he starts. He stands off and flames those who do contribute. Not that I want him to leave, far from it. He sparks many interesting discussions of which he is not a part.

Slimething · 28th July 2007, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

He sparks many interesting discussions of which he is not a part.

I nominate that word for banning.

Seriously, TC seems to be completely without ethos or pathos. An "open mind" requires neither of these but certainly benefits from them. He doesn't know what he's missing.

Amapola · 28th July 2007, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

Are you seriously asking T'ai Chi to say something definitive about his own opinions here? That is sweet, if naive.

T'ai does not contribute to the threads he starts. He stands off and flames those who do contribute. Not that I want him to leave, far from it. He sparks many interesting discussions of which he is not a part.

Well I already got a relatively hostile reply from him so no, I do not seriously think he will. I figure it does not hurt to ask! I realize he has never before contributed anything very useful. Still he is a brilliant wood turner. I'd like to see him put his energy into something creative like that instead of following whatever weird and unknown agenda he has here.

bruto · 28th July 2007, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Amapola

Well I already got a relatively hostile reply from him so no, I do not seriously think he will. I figure it does not hurt to ask! I realize he has never before contributed anything very useful. Still he is a brilliant wood turner. I'd like to see him put his energy into something creative like that instead of following whatever weird and unknown agenda he has here.

I have to say that, aggravating as he is, he got a chuckle out of me here.

Tricky · 28th July 2007, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Amapola

Well I already got a relatively hostile reply from him so no, I do not seriously think he will. I figure it does not hurt to ask! I realize he has never before contributed anything very useful. Still he is a brilliant wood turner. I'd like to see him put his energy into something creative like that instead of following whatever weird and unknown agenda he has here.

I've never seen his woodwork, but I will take your word that it is good. Maybe it fits in with his tendence to get lathe-red up.

Amapola · 28th July 2007, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

I've never seen his woodwork, but I will take your word that it is good. Maybe it fits in with his tendence to get lathe-red up.

Boo! Hiss!

Wheezebucket · 28th July 2007, 10:06 PM

Tai Chi! Let's talk on the phone! I'll pay for it!

trvlr2 · 29th July 2007, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Ripley Twenty-Nine

Amazing. 10,560 trolling messages on this board and you can still get a rise out of people. That must make you feel great.

Nah! We just like to "Whack-A-Troll"!(No rises!)

.......verrrrry interesting.

bruto · 29th July 2007, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by Wheezebucket

Tai Chi! Let's talk on the phone! I'll pay for it!

You mean you'd pay for a troll call?

Wheezebucket · 29th July 2007, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by bruto

You mean you'd pay for a troll call?

I want to hear what this stuff sounds like coming out of an actual human mouth. I'm so curious!

strathmeyer · 29th July 2007, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by T'ai Chi

To say 'this book killed X' doesn't seem to be logically correct unless the book fell on X crushing X to death.

Aren't we all ultimately responsible for our own actions? If you're reading a book, whatever book, that has medical opinions in it, and you do things in there without checking first with your doctor(s)... well... whose fault is that?

The liar?

CFLarsen · 29th July 2007, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by strathmeyer

The liar?

In T'ai Chi's mind, when a crook scams a person, that person is "ultimately" responsible. Not the crook.

T'ai Chi thinks that it is absolutely A-OK for crooks to scam people.

robinson · 30th July 2007, 09:15 AM

So doTobacco companies.

Skeptical Greg · 30th July 2007, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Wheezebucket

I want to hear what this stuff sounds like coming out of an actual human mouth. I'm so curious!

I find it interesting that he ( ? ) doesn't seem to have that much to say ..

He sort of walks through the crowd farting, and leaves everyone behind to talk about the smell..

110 ( 111 now ) posts in this thread, and only six of them his ..

robinson · 30th July 2007, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by T'ai Chi

Aren't we all ultimately responsible for our own actions? If you're reading a book, whatever book, that has medical opinions in it, and you do things in there without checking first with your doctor(s)... well... whose fault is that?

Interesting. So you believe everybody is responsible for deciding what is true? We shouldn't just believe everything somebody says? That sounds like ... I don't know ... it sounds familiar somehow.

RSLancastr · 30th July 2007, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Wheezebucket

I want to hear what this stuff sounds like coming out of an actual human mouth.

You're making at least two assumptions there.

godless dave · 30th July 2007, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by RSLancastr

Ah, but doctors, along with Big Pharma (tm), are the bad guys - the titular "They" who don't want you to know about these cures!

Why would someone who buys into the books entire premise check with their doctor before following the book's advice?

Given that, are you suggesting that anyone foolish enough to buy into the book's premise deserves whatever happens to them as a result?

I'm not the poster you're responding to, but I would agree with that.

Originally Posted by RSLancastr

Also, if I write a book which purports that a diet of hemlock is good for you, and people die as a result of following that advice, would I be totally free of responsibility in your eyes?

In my opinion you would have about 50% of the responsibility.

RSLancastr · 30th July 2007, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by godless dave

In my opinion you would have about 50% of the responsibility.

Well then, I guess I will be publishing The Socratic Diet under a pseudonym.

Eos of the Eons · 30th July 2007, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by RSLancastr

You're making at least two assumptions there.

godless dave · 31st July 2007, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by RSLancastr

Well then, I guess I will be publishing The Socratic Diet under a pseudonym.

Unfortunately it's hard to collect royalties if someone, somewhere at your publisher doesn't know who to make the check out to.

Skeptical Greg · 31st July 2007, 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by godless dave

Unfortunately it's hard to collect royalties if someone, somewhere at your publisher doesn't know who to make the check out to.

Actually, that would only be a problem if no one , anywhere at your publisher, doesn't know who to make the check out to..

Hardenbergh · 28th August 2007, 07:31 AM

One day last week, I was at Barnes & Noble to thumb through Kevin's book, More Natural Cures Revealed. I had heard that he mentions brand names in this book.

I was specifically searching for Vitamin E and found two of the ones that I had already suspected might be the ones he was talking about from his description (the properties) of the product. I already have his first book. A friend borrowed it many months ago and I haven't seen it since. He practically sleeps with the book and thinks that Kevin Trudeau is "God" the way he's always talking about something that he's read in the book. He won't even take over-the-counter pain relievers anymore.

http://www.amazon.com/More-Natural-C...8310505&sr=8-1

4Spectrum Vitamin E

The other one is "Unique E" :

http://www.acgraceco.com/home.html

27th July 2007, 04:35 PM	#81
RSLancastr www.StopSylvia.com Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 15,538	Originally Posted by T'ai Chi Aren't we all ultimately responsible for our own actions? If you're reading a book, whatever book, that has medical opinions in it, and you do things in there without checking first with your doctor(s)... well... whose fault is that? Ah, but doctors, along with Big Pharma (tm), are the bad guys - the titular "They" who don't want you to know about these cures! Why would someone who buys into the books entire premise check with their doctor before following the book's advice? Given that, are you suggesting that anyone foolish enough to buy into the book's premise deserves whatever happens to them as a result? Also, if I write a book which purports that a diet of hemlock is good for you, and people die as a result of following that advice, would I be totally free of responsibility in your eyes?
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27th July 2007, 05:11 PM	#82
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 11,182	Originally Posted by T'ai Chi To say 'this book killed X' doesn't seem to be logically correct unless the book fell on X crushing X to death. Aren't we all ultimately responsible for our own actions? If you're reading a book, whatever book, that has medical opinions in it, and you do things in there without checking first with your doctor(s)... well... whose fault is that? If you're going to go on your doctor's advice in the end, doesn't it seem like a waste of time and money to go out and buy a book that by its very nature and claimed purpose is meant to contradict that advice, and is openly advertised as containing cures that your doctor will almost certainly oppose and do everything in his power to suppress?
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27th July 2007, 08:31 PM	#84
T'ai Chi Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 11,235	"bruto", some of us like to read, and moreover are open-minded enough to read opposing viewpoints. What can I say more than that? Why do you care what I spend my money on in the first place?
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27th July 2007, 08:46 PM	#85
Kochanski Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Anonymous Unimportant Place (not a secret Scorpion training facility for Shosuro ninjas) Posts: 2,659	T'ai, you enjoy reading books by people talking about something that they have no training in? Something they have done no research on and don't even have the credentials to do even if they wished to appear "scientific"? Someone who was convicted of larceny, spent time in prison because he posed as a doctor to scam money off of people. An open mind is good, one open to any old folderall is a waste of brain cells.
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27th July 2007, 08:52 PM	#86
T'ai Chi Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 11,235	Originally Posted by Kochanski T'ai, you enjoy reading books by people talking about something that they have no training in? Something they have done no research on and don't even have the credentials to do even if they wished to appear "scientific"? Someone who was convicted of larceny, spent time in prison because he posed as a doctor to scam money off of people. Apparently I'm in good company. Your idol Randi has an entirely library of such books, right? I just mentioned buying 1 such book.
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27th July 2007, 07:23 PM	#83
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,359	Originally Posted by T'ai Chi To say 'this book killed X' doesn't seem to be logically correct unless the book fell on X crushing X to death. Aren't we all ultimately responsible for our own actions? If you're reading a book, whatever book, that has medical opinions in it, and you do things in there without checking first with your doctor(s)... well... whose fault is that? If that book says that doctors are crooks who are only trying to steal your money, yeah, I give the author some blame for that. Flow of information always requires some regulation. How much is a difficult question, but there are limits to what you can say. My father-in-law was a sick and desperate man, but all Trudeau cares is that he paid $29.95 for that book. I have a strong opinion of those who prey on sick and desperate people.

27th July 2007, 09:20 PM	#87
Kochanski Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Anonymous Unimportant Place (not a secret Scorpion training facility for Shosuro ninjas) Posts: 2,659	T'ai, I idolize no one. I am an Atheist, I have no gods and want none, thank you very much. I respect what Randi does and what he stands for, but I do not make an idol out of him. You on the other hand just start threads about woo-woo and say everything is "interesting" and then promptly avoid saying anything else of any consequence or use.
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27th July 2007, 11:56 PM	#88
CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,804	Lets of questions for T'ai Chi. But, as usual, no answers.
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28th July 2007, 06:57 AM	#89
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,434	Originally Posted by RSLancastr Ah, but doctors, along with Big Pharma (tm), are the bad guys - the titular "They" who don't want you to know about these cures! Why would someone who buys into the books entire premise check with their doctor before following the book's advice? Given that, are you suggesting that anyone foolish enough to buy into the book's premise deserves whatever happens to them as a result? Also, if I write a book which purports that a diet of hemlock is good for you, and people die as a result of following that advice, would I be totally free of responsibility in your eyes? Just watched the paid ad, and this nails it. At one point he out and out accuses the medical industry of covering up these cures (linseed oil kills breast cancer better than chemo... AND A CANADIAN STUDY PROVED IT... but the press is in cahoots with the doctors and doesn't tell the world this) and the Government of being jackbooted thugs hell bent on concealing it (paraphrasing: "if I told you an orange prevented scurvy since it isn't a drug agents could come into my house WITH GUNS and arrest me"). These are the people that his readers should then go to with his "natural alternatives" and ask if they're safe? They might get GUNS DRAWN ON THEM just for asking. And the best thing is that he uses that scare tactic to justify his own past... because grand larceny and running pyramid schemes are only on the books to prevent people from living healthy without drugs. I get a little annoyed at pyschics and the other woo-based nonsense. But as worthless as the products they pawn are, for the most part crystals and golf pins and perpetual energy machines do little more than separate the gullible from their money. Kevin Trudeau, on the other hand, infuriates me. The upside is eventually he will get what's coming to him, as it isn't like no one in our legal system ever heard of him.

28th July 2007, 07:45 AM	#90
Amapola Pirate Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mora, New Mexico Posts: 8,260	Originally Posted by T'ai Chi Apparently I'm in good company. Your idol Randi has an entirely library of such books, right? I just mentioned buying 1 such book. To state that "Randi is Kochanski's idol" does not seem to be logically correct unless Kochanski had previously stated Randi was an idol. This was not the case. Simply posting on the JREF does not mean one idolizes Randi. After all, you have posted many times here and you do not idolize Randi. Tai Chi, you are a brilliant wood turner. Why do you waste your time doing things like starting this thread, since you apparently haven't even gotten anything to say about this book other than "interesting"? Have you run out of wood? If you need some please PM me and I will send you some.
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28th July 2007, 08:27 AM	#91
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 11,182	Originally Posted by T'ai Chi "bruto", some of us like to read, and moreover are open-minded enough to read opposing viewpoints. What can I say more than that? Why do you care what I spend my money on in the first place? That seems like a particularly peevish (dare I say trollish?) answer for someone who started this thread himself inviting comments on your purchase of the book. I like to read too. I don't care what you spend your money on, but my comment on that purchase is that it seems a waste of money to buy one if you know from the blurb that it contains advice that you can be almost entirely positive you would never use (assuming that your comment about taking a doctor's opinion before trying things was honest). To express such an opinion is not the same as saying I care about how you spend your money, and I wonder that you seem not to appreciate the difference. Of course, if your purchase of the book was in the public interest, in order to evaluate its contents and report on that to others, then I will recant that previous opinion, congratulate you on your altruistic expenditure, and eagerly await an actual commitment on your part to producing an informed opinion on the contents of the book after you've had a chance to finish reading it.
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28th July 2007, 10:46 AM	#92
Eos of the Eons Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Alberta Posts: 13,894	My teacher let me know she doesn't believe in sunscreen, and neither does Kev. In fact, Kev lets us all know that suncreen is what causes skin cancer. Will you ever use sunscreen T'ai? Oh, and I'd recommend you follow Kev's wonderful suggestions and believe every word he says in his book, since you have such a wonderfully open mind and positive attitude about the great Kev. Oh, and we're still waiting for the cures he promises to have in his book, going by the cover title. Please post them for us, since they clearly work (Tammy must be grateful for all of his help).
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28th July 2007, 12:45 PM	#93
T'ai Chi Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 11,235	[quote=Eos of the Eons;2810596] Will you ever use sunscreen T'ai? [/quote How do you know I don't already use it? Quote: Oh, and I'd recommend you follow Kev's wonderful suggestions and believe every word he says in his book, since you have such a wonderfully open mind and positive attitude about the great Kev. Open mind lets you disagree with people too. Or did you forget?
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28th July 2007, 12:46 PM	#94
T'ai Chi Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 11,235	Originally Posted by Amapola Why do you waste your time doing things like starting this thread, since you apparently haven't even gotten anything to say about this book other than "interesting"? Have you run out of wood? I'm wondering why you're concerned with what others post or how they spend their time.
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28th July 2007, 12:55 PM	#95
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 11,182	Originally Posted by T'ai Chi I'm wondering why you're concerned with what others post or how they spend their time. If you are truly wondering this, and truly consider such responses to be invasive, I wonder why you start any threads at all. Mind you I am not concerned about the time you waste starting threads and posting argumentative non-responses on them, but I am somewhat curious.
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28th July 2007, 12:57 PM	#96
Amapola Pirate Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mora, New Mexico Posts: 8,260	Originally Posted by T'ai Chi I'm wondering why you're concerned with what others post or how they spend their time. As far as you are concerned, I just feel the world is missing out on some great art, that's all. So you need wonder no more. BTW, what are your opinions on the book? You commented you could not find an "objective" (I think that is word you used....) commentary on it. Will you now write one?
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28th July 2007, 12:58 PM	#97
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,000	Originally Posted by T'ai Chi I just bought Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About Odd, because they keep advertising that they're giving it away for free.

28th July 2007, 01:34 PM	#98
Eos of the Eons Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Alberta Posts: 13,894	Originally Posted by T'ai Chi Originally Posted by Eos of the Eons Will you ever use sunscreen T'ai? How do you know I don't already use it? Open mind lets you disagree with people too. Or did you forget? I have no idea what your definition of an open mind is, nor what your opinion is on that book, its author, or the contents. Are you going to offer up your definitions and opinions now? Do you use sunscreen?
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28th July 2007, 05:25 PM	#99
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,359	Originally Posted by Amapola BTW, what are your opinions on the book? You commented you could not find an "objective" (I think that is word you used....) commentary on it. Will you now write one? Are you seriously asking T'ai Chi to say something definitive about his own opinions here? That is sweet, if naive. T'ai does not contribute to the threads he starts. He stands off and flames those who do contribute. Not that I want him to leave, far from it. He sparks many interesting discussions of which he is not a part.

28th July 2007, 05:46 PM	#100
Slimething Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Arizona USA Posts: 3,727	Originally Posted by Tricky He sparks many interesting discussions of which he is not a part. I nominate that word for banning. Seriously, TC seems to be completely without ethos or pathos. An "open mind" requires neither of these but certainly benefits from them. He doesn't know what he's missing.

28th July 2007, 06:57 PM	#101
Amapola Pirate Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mora, New Mexico Posts: 8,260	Originally Posted by Tricky Are you seriously asking T'ai Chi to say something definitive about his own opinions here? That is sweet, if naive. T'ai does not contribute to the threads he starts. He stands off and flames those who do contribute. Not that I want him to leave, far from it. He sparks many interesting discussions of which he is not a part. Well I already got a relatively hostile reply from him so no, I do not seriously think he will. I figure it does not hurt to ask! I realize he has never before contributed anything very useful. Still he is a brilliant wood turner. I'd like to see him put his energy into something creative like that instead of following whatever weird and unknown agenda he has here.
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28th July 2007, 07:05 PM	#102
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 11,182	Originally Posted by Amapola Well I already got a relatively hostile reply from him so no, I do not seriously think he will. I figure it does not hurt to ask! I realize he has never before contributed anything very useful. Still he is a brilliant wood turner. I'd like to see him put his energy into something creative like that instead of following whatever weird and unknown agenda he has here. I have to say that, aggravating as he is, he got a chuckle out of me here.
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28th July 2007, 07:46 PM	#103
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,359	Originally Posted by Amapola Well I already got a relatively hostile reply from him so no, I do not seriously think he will. I figure it does not hurt to ask! I realize he has never before contributed anything very useful. Still he is a brilliant wood turner. I'd like to see him put his energy into something creative like that instead of following whatever weird and unknown agenda he has here. I've never seen his woodwork, but I will take your word that it is good. Maybe it fits in with his tendence to get lathe-red up.

28th July 2007, 08:17 PM	#104
Amapola Pirate Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mora, New Mexico Posts: 8,260	Originally Posted by Tricky I've never seen his woodwork, but I will take your word that it is good. Maybe it fits in with his tendence to get lathe-red up. Boo! Hiss!
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28th July 2007, 10:06 PM	#105
Wheezebucket Master Cylinder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mr. Belvedere's House (in Seattle) Posts: 1,493	Tai Chi! Let's talk on the phone! I'll pay for it!
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29th July 2007, 03:23 PM	#106
trvlr2 Muse Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 799	Originally Posted by Ripley Twenty-Nine Amazing. 10,560 trolling messages on this board and you can still get a rise out of people. That must make you feel great. Nah! We just like to "Whack-A-Troll"!(No rises!) .......verrrrry interesting.
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29th July 2007, 08:28 PM	#107
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 11,182	Originally Posted by Wheezebucket Tai Chi! Let's talk on the phone! I'll pay for it! You mean you'd pay for a troll call?
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29th July 2007, 08:32 PM	#108
Wheezebucket Master Cylinder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mr. Belvedere's House (in Seattle) Posts: 1,493	Originally Posted by bruto You mean you'd pay for a troll call? I want to hear what this stuff sounds like coming out of an actual human mouth. I'm so curious!
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29th July 2007, 08:33 PM	#109
strathmeyer seriously unable to be serious Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA, USA Posts: 2,382	Originally Posted by T'ai Chi To say 'this book killed X' doesn't seem to be logically correct unless the book fell on X crushing X to death. Aren't we all ultimately responsible for our own actions? If you're reading a book, whatever book, that has medical opinions in it, and you do things in there without checking first with your doctor(s)... well... whose fault is that? The liar?

29th July 2007, 11:56 PM	#110
CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,804	Originally Posted by strathmeyer The liar? In T'ai Chi's mind, when a crook scams a person, that person is "ultimately" responsible. Not the crook. T'ai Chi thinks that it is absolutely A-OK for crooks to scam people.
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30th July 2007, 09:15 AM	#111
robinson Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 6,136	So doTobacco companies.
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30th July 2007, 12:51 PM	#112
Skeptical Greg Agave Wine Connoisseur Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Just past 'Resume Speed' Posts: 12,873	Originally Posted by Wheezebucket I want to hear what this stuff sounds like coming out of an actual human mouth. I'm so curious! I find it interesting that he ( ? ) doesn't seem to have that much to say .. He sort of walks through the crowd farting, and leaves everyone behind to talk about the smell.. 110 ( 111 now ) posts in this thread, and only six of them his ..
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30th July 2007, 04:47 PM	#113
robinson Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 6,136	Originally Posted by T'ai Chi Aren't we all ultimately responsible for our own actions? If you're reading a book, whatever book, that has medical opinions in it, and you do things in there without checking first with your doctor(s)... well... whose fault is that? Interesting. So you believe everybody is responsible for deciding what is true? We shouldn't just believe everything somebody says? That sounds like ... I don't know ... it sounds familiar somehow.
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30th July 2007, 05:24 PM	#114
RSLancastr www.StopSylvia.com Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 15,538	Originally Posted by Wheezebucket I want to hear what this stuff sounds like coming out of an actual human mouth. You're making at least two assumptions there.
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30th July 2007, 05:59 PM	#115
godless dave Great Dalmuti Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: St. Paul, Minnesota Posts: 6,126	Originally Posted by RSLancastr Ah, but doctors, along with Big Pharma (tm), are the bad guys - the titular "They" who don't want you to know about these cures! Why would someone who buys into the books entire premise check with their doctor before following the book's advice? Given that, are you suggesting that anyone foolish enough to buy into the book's premise deserves whatever happens to them as a result? I'm not the poster you're responding to, but I would agree with that. Originally Posted by RSLancastr Also, if I write a book which purports that a diet of hemlock is good for you, and people die as a result of following that advice, would I be totally free of responsibility in your eyes? In my opinion you would have about 50% of the responsibility.