Who is Chaim Kupferberg?

Childlike Empress · 27th July 2007, 06:43 PM

Well, we all know he is the author of the most important and hard hitting article on 9/11 ever written (as early as 2003):

There's Something About Omar: Truth, Lies, and The Legend of 9/11

But who is he? Is "Chaim Kupferberg" a pseudonym? I'm not able to find much on him, only articles on Chossudovsky's globalresearch.ca, the last longer article appearing in 2004. Some short introductions to extracts of his main work in 2007, but not more.

Any Infos?

~enigma~ · 27th July 2007, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Well, we all know he is the author of the most important and hard hitting article on 9/11 ever written (as early as 2003):

There's Something About Omar: Truth, Lies, and The Legend of 9/11

But who is he? Is "Chaim Kupferberg" a pseudonym? I'm not able to find much on him, only articles on Chossudovsky's globalresearch.ca, the last longer article appearing in 2004. Some short introductions to extracts of his main work in 2007, but not more.

Any Infos?

Chiam Kupferberg is the son of Mr. and Mrs. Kupferberg

Gravy · 27th July 2007, 06:57 PM

Important? No.
Hard-hitting? No.
Claims proven? No.
Know who Kupferberg is? No.

beachnut · 27th July 2007, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Well, we all know he is the author of the most important and hard hitting article on 9/11 ever written (as early as 2003):

There's Something About Omar: Truth, Lies, and The Legend of 9/11

But who is he? Is "Chaim Kupferberg" a pseudonym? I'm not able to find much on him, only articles on Chossudovsky's globalresearch.ca, the last longer article appearing in 2004. Some short introductions to extracts of his main work in 2007, but not more.

Any Infos?

It appears he is a real nut case with no actual facts, are you being sarcastic? He has nothing to offer on 9/11.

Childlike Empress · 27th July 2007, 07:00 PM

Gentlemen, if you have nothing to add, DON'T POST! Thanks.

~enigma~ · 27th July 2007, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Gentlemen, if you have nothing to add, DON'T POST! Thanks.

Yes bossette...get over yourself.

Gravy · 27th July 2007, 07:05 PM

Look, you got off easy. I was going to say he's the legendary lost Fug.

Why not ask Chossudovsky?

T.A.M. · 27th July 2007, 07:25 PM

1+1=2

There I have added something.

Any other requests?

TAM

beachnut · 27th July 2007, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Gentlemen, if you have nothing to add, DON'T POST! Thanks.

I think his stuff is at the level of DRG, but he seems to take credit unlike DRG. But all his stuff sucks if you want to know what happen on 9/11. Now if you have something to add please, point to some facts that support the conclusions this latest misinformation artist makes. You post a question about some misinformation artist and get upset when you get the truth? Try to find something worthy of being considered truth and maybe you can join some of the individuals who can think for themselves both logically and rationally.

Totovader · 27th July 2007, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Gentlemen, if you have nothing to add, DON'T POST! Thanks.

If only you had followed this advice.

In fact, this is what I have to add: listen to what you say.

I know, it's deep.

Childlike Empress · 27th July 2007, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by beachnut

I think his stuff is at the level of DRG, but he seems to take credit unlike DRG. But all his stuff sucks if you want to know what happen on 9/11. Now if you have something to add please, point to some facts that support the conclusions this latest misinformation artist makes. You post a question about some misinformation artist and get upset when you get the truth? Try to find something worthy of being considered truth and maybe you can join some of the individuals who can think for themselves both logically and rationally.

The latest misinformation artist? beachnut, i have to thank you for your comments. Pure comedy gold. I've figured out a method which even increases the joy i feel reading your posts: I mark them, press "v" and let my Opera Browser read them to me with a tinny robot voice. Fits perfectly.

Childlike Empress · 27th July 2007, 09:06 PM

From the Post-Script of the article:

Originally Posted by Chaim Kupferberg

Further, we have seen how the Official 9/11 Legend has been overlain with a number of equally plausible cover stories and counter-legends, involving various neo-cons, Saudis, Pakistanis, Israelis, or even Iraqis. Again, we have seen a precedent for this type of information campaign, as it has heretofore most successfully been used in obfuscating the facts behind the J.F.K. investigation. Indeed, it is as if the J.F.K. Assassination Legend has served as the textbook model for framing the 9/11 Legend and its off-shoots. As with the 9/11 Legend, the J.F.K. Assassination Legend also had its various equally plausible offshoots, each with their own proponents.

Thus, while most of the mainstream media - and, most famously, Gerald Posner, who authored Case Closed - have mostly ignored the last official congressional investigation in 1979, which deemed the assassination a "probable conspiracy", figures as high as Lyndon Johnson had voiced suspicions of a "foreign" conspiracy, while C.I.A. bigwig James Angleton had mischievously pushed a Soviet conspiracy. Others, like House Chief Counsel Robert Blakey, have pushed a mob conspiracy, while still others have attempted to build a case implicating pro-Castro Cubans, anti-Castro Cubans, right-wing John Birchers (the forerunners of the recent militia threat), or Texas oil barons. Certainly, evidence can be marshaled to show each and every one of these elements percolating along the edges of the "Official" lone-gunman theory. But my main point is that, like the Official 9/11 Legend, these counter-legends exist - and indeed were built in - so as to furnish a number of false leads, thereby obscuring the most essential fact that a long-standing covert infrastructure has stage-managed both the crimes and the cover-ups, while parceling out the information to various witting - and unwitting - operatives. It is the classic case of not seeing the forest for the trees.

As for the existence of this infrastructure, it, too, has been obscured by various false leads and counter-legends - most perniciously, through super-natural, extra-terrestrial, or anti-Semitic theories, all of which share in common a tendency to discredit mainstream discussion of elite covert networks. Whether these theories come by way of long-exposed hoaxes like The Report From Iron Mountain or The Protocols of the Elders of Zion; whether the U.F.O. tales are stoked by individual military/intelligence disinformation operatives unveiling "secret" groups like MJ-12; or whether we get a "unified field theory" of all these theories by way of authors like David Icke (who claims to have psychically "channeled" the revelation that our world leaders are, in truth, reptilian shape-shifters) - the main effect, if not intent, is to distract truly interested observers from the more dry (and potentially more damaging) writings of researchers like Peter Dale Scott, Greg Palast, Lisa Pease, Donald Gibson, John De Camp, and others who have credibly documented real evidence of political and corporate corruption.

It's the same network doing the cover-up which should be at the focus of interest for JREF (not just for mockery but for serious uncovering - it's not about money). Listen to Dave Emory's speech 'The Political Implications of the UFO Phenomenon and the “ET” Myth' here (L 01a-c) for further information.

Gravy · 27th July 2007, 10:04 PM

Right, pointing out his JFK nuttery is an excellent way to establish his credibility with rational people.

beachnut · 27th July 2007, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

The latest misinformation artist? beachnut, i have to thank you for your comments. Pure comedy gold. I've figured out a method which even increases the joy i feel reading your posts: I mark them, press "v" and let my Opera Browser read them to me with a tinny robot voice. Fits perfectly.

Some prose to cover-up the fact you have no facts to present to back the latest (old) liar on 9/11 topics? I pressed "d" to store this under "dolts for 9/11". My computer throws up and I have to reboot.

Have you actually read what you posted? Are you able to see the giant holes in his story? His stuff reads like bad fiction. Relax and be happy you love people whose fiction is posted in the political aisle of the library, because the librarians of the world know this clap trap is fiction and the authors are trying to push it as non-fiction, so it ends up in the aisle with all the other major lies by the BS authors of political tripe. Rejoice, go to where all the 9/11 tripe ends up, in the political area of the library, and thus warning the readers to beware of the BS, caution, use judgment before repeating this tripe.

Heed the caution, this guy is full of BS and repeating it will mark you with that special stink only truthers have found favorable.

But who cares who this guy is? His work is fiction. Have you made a mistake thinking it is true? Have you noticed the anti-Semitic side of 9/11 truth thinks this guy is stupid; now that is irony.

Foolmewunz · 27th July 2007, 11:38 PM

Chaim Kupferberg is the darling of the indymedia sites for the past couple of years. Most troofers don't read him because he's as dry as melba toast, so they just cut-n-paste someone else's analysis and pretend it's their own insights.

He's got a lot of mighta, coulda, sorta, maybe it was like this stuff in his writings, but I don't think anyone's ever bothered to debunk him because:

a) he's nearly unknown
b) he's so boring to read that no one's actually made it through that whole piece without dozing off

Your basic google gets about four thousand hits.... all conspiradroid and troofer sites. They do reference his material on the topic of John O'Neill. Now there's something I'm truly not looking forward to reading, -- and won't.

So? He's got the inside dope on the JFK assassination, 911, and OKC. Yep, another truly neutral academic source.

Oh, Beachnut... his books won't make it to any aisle at the library. He has no books. In the old days, he'd by that guy who's devolved from "that nice, if eccentric, man in the house on the corner who feeds the stray cats" to "The Crazy Cat Man who always has a wad of pages torn off off legal pads with copious notes on everything from Fluoride, to Reptile Overlords, to 911 Pteradactyls". Now we have the internet, so these brave info-warriors can write away to their heart's content, and always find someone who'll "publish".

At least that's how he seems to me, and I'm the greatest living authority on how things are perceived by me, so we'll have to take my word on it.

CE, did you finish the Hopsicker tome? On to other proofs of the ever inter-connecting global conspiracy, I see.

Childlike Empress · 28th July 2007, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

At least that's how he seems to me, and I'm the greatest living authority on how things are perceived by me, so we'll have to take my word on it.

Evidence?

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

CE, did you finish the Hopsicker tome? On to other proofs of the ever inter-connecting global conspiracy, I see.

To be honest, no. It's still lying here half read. I have a habit of reading several books at the same time and Hopsicker bit the dust so far.

I've read the Kupferberg article back in 2004 already, it's nothing new to me. I often recommend it to people because of it's pre-Commission Report insights and because of the fact that a german translation exists online. As i can't answer the question "who is he", i thought i'd ask here. You don't have an answer to that either, but thanks for your informed opinion on his influence.

chillzero · 28th July 2007, 05:06 AM

A reminder again that the CT section should be more civil. Respond to posts and theories, and do not personalise the issues or attack the poster

Posted By:chillzero

27th July 2007, 06:43 PM	#1
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 7,856	Who is Chaim Kupferberg? Well, we all know he is the author of the most important and hard hitting article on 9/11 ever written (as early as 2003): There's Something About Omar: Truth, Lies, and The Legend of 9/11 But who is he? Is "Chaim Kupferberg" a pseudonym? I'm not able to find much on him, only articles on Chossudovsky's globalresearch.ca, the last longer article appearing in 2004. Some short introductions to extracts of his main work in 2007, but not more. Any Infos?

27th July 2007, 06:57 PM	#3
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	Important? No. Hard-hitting? No. Claims proven? No. Know who Kupferberg is? No.
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27th July 2007, 06:58 PM	#4
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 19,901	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress Well, we all know he is the author of the most important and hard hitting article on 9/11 ever written (as early as 2003): There's Something About Omar: Truth, Lies, and The Legend of 9/11 But who is he? Is "Chaim Kupferberg" a pseudonym? I'm not able to find much on him, only articles on Chossudovsky's globalresearch.ca, the last longer article appearing in 2004. Some short introductions to extracts of his main work in 2007, but not more. Any Infos? It appears he is a real nut case with no actual facts, are you being sarcastic? He has nothing to offer on 9/11.
	Last edited by beachnut; 27th July 2007 at 07:00 PM. Reason: There was a group at NSA doing some work using funny names like Chaim Kupferberg, but 9/11 truth is nuts enough without help

27th July 2007, 07:05 PM	#7
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	Look, you got off easy. I was going to say he's the legendary lost Fug. Why not ask Chossudovsky?
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27th July 2007, 07:42 PM	#10
Totovader Game Warden Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 2,240	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress Gentlemen, if you have nothing to add, DON'T POST! Thanks. If only you had followed this advice. In fact, this is what I have to add: listen to what you say. I know, it's deep.
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27th July 2007, 06:53 PM	#2
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Center of the universe Posts: 7,954	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress Well, we all know he is the author of the most important and hard hitting article on 9/11 ever written (as early as 2003): There's Something About Omar: Truth, Lies, and The Legend of 9/11 But who is he? Is "Chaim Kupferberg" a pseudonym? I'm not able to find much on him, only articles on Chossudovsky's globalresearch.ca, the last longer article appearing in 2004. Some short introductions to extracts of his main work in 2007, but not more. Any Infos? Chiam Kupferberg is the son of Mr. and Mrs. Kupferberg

27th July 2007, 07:00 PM	#5
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 7,856	Gentlemen, if you have nothing to add, DON'T POST! Thanks.

27th July 2007, 07:04 PM	#6
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Center of the universe Posts: 7,954	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress Gentlemen, if you have nothing to add, DON'T POST! Thanks. Yes bossette...get over yourself.

27th July 2007, 07:25 PM	#8
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	1+1=2 There I have added something. Any other requests? TAM

27th July 2007, 07:38 PM	#9
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 19,901	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress Gentlemen, if you have nothing to add, DON'T POST! Thanks. I think his stuff is at the level of DRG, but he seems to take credit unlike DRG. But all his stuff sucks if you want to know what happen on 9/11. Now if you have something to add please, point to some facts that support the conclusions this latest misinformation artist makes. You post a question about some misinformation artist and get upset when you get the truth? Try to find something worthy of being considered truth and maybe you can join some of the individuals who can think for themselves both logically and rationally.

27th July 2007, 07:58 PM	#11
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 7,856	Originally Posted by beachnut I think his stuff is at the level of DRG, but he seems to take credit unlike DRG. But all his stuff sucks if you want to know what happen on 9/11. Now if you have something to add please, point to some facts that support the conclusions this latest misinformation artist makes. You post a question about some misinformation artist and get upset when you get the truth? Try to find something worthy of being considered truth and maybe you can join some of the individuals who can think for themselves both logically and rationally. The latest misinformation artist? beachnut, i have to thank you for your comments. Pure comedy gold. I've figured out a method which even increases the joy i feel reading your posts: I mark them, press "v" and let my Opera Browser read them to me with a tinny robot voice. Fits perfectly.

27th July 2007, 09:06 PM	#12
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 7,856	From the Post-Script of the article: Originally Posted by Chaim Kupferberg Further, we have seen how the Official 9/11 Legend has been overlain with a number of equally plausible cover stories and counter-legends, involving various neo-cons, Saudis, Pakistanis, Israelis, or even Iraqis. Again, we have seen a precedent for this type of information campaign, as it has heretofore most successfully been used in obfuscating the facts behind the J.F.K. investigation. Indeed, it is as if the J.F.K. Assassination Legend has served as the textbook model for framing the 9/11 Legend and its off-shoots. As with the 9/11 Legend, the J.F.K. Assassination Legend also had its various equally plausible offshoots, each with their own proponents. Thus, while most of the mainstream media - and, most famously, Gerald Posner, who authored Case Closed - have mostly ignored the last official congressional investigation in 1979, which deemed the assassination a "probable conspiracy", figures as high as Lyndon Johnson had voiced suspicions of a "foreign" conspiracy, while C.I.A. bigwig James Angleton had mischievously pushed a Soviet conspiracy. Others, like House Chief Counsel Robert Blakey, have pushed a mob conspiracy, while still others have attempted to build a case implicating pro-Castro Cubans, anti-Castro Cubans, right-wing John Birchers (the forerunners of the recent militia threat), or Texas oil barons. Certainly, evidence can be marshaled to show each and every one of these elements percolating along the edges of the "Official" lone-gunman theory. But my main point is that, like the Official 9/11 Legend, these counter-legends exist - and indeed were built in - so as to furnish a number of false leads, thereby obscuring the most essential fact that a long-standing covert infrastructure has stage-managed both the crimes and the cover-ups, while parceling out the information to various witting - and unwitting - operatives. It is the classic case of not seeing the forest for the trees. As for the existence of this infrastructure, it, too, has been obscured by various false leads and counter-legends - most perniciously, through super-natural, extra-terrestrial, or anti-Semitic theories, all of which share in common a tendency to discredit mainstream discussion of elite covert networks. Whether these theories come by way of long-exposed hoaxes like The Report From Iron Mountain or The Protocols of the Elders of Zion; whether the U.F.O. tales are stoked by individual military/intelligence disinformation operatives unveiling "secret" groups like MJ-12; or whether we get a "unified field theory" of all these theories by way of authors like David Icke (who claims to have psychically "channeled" the revelation that our world leaders are, in truth, reptilian shape-shifters) - the main effect, if not intent, is to distract truly interested observers from the more dry (and potentially more damaging) writings of researchers like Peter Dale Scott, Greg Palast, Lisa Pease, Donald Gibson, John De Camp, and others who have credibly documented real evidence of political and corporate corruption. It's the same network doing the cover-up which should be at the focus of interest for JREF (not just for mockery but for serious uncovering - it's not about money). Listen to Dave Emory's speech 'The Political Implications of the UFO Phenomenon and the “ET” Myth' here (L 01a-c) for further information.

27th July 2007, 10:04 PM	#13
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	Right, pointing out his JFK nuttery is an excellent way to establish his credibility with rational people.
	__________________ "Please, keep your chops cool and don’t overblow.” –Freddie Hubbard What's the Harm?........Stop Sylvia Browne........My 9/11 links

27th July 2007, 10:20 PM	#14
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 19,901	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress The latest misinformation artist? beachnut, i have to thank you for your comments. Pure comedy gold. I've figured out a method which even increases the joy i feel reading your posts: I mark them, press "v" and let my Opera Browser read them to me with a tinny robot voice. Fits perfectly. Some prose to cover-up the fact you have no facts to present to back the latest (old) liar on 9/11 topics? I pressed "d" to store this under "dolts for 9/11". My computer throws up and I have to reboot. Have you actually read what you posted? Are you able to see the giant holes in his story? His stuff reads like bad fiction. Relax and be happy you love people whose fiction is posted in the political aisle of the library, because the librarians of the world know this clap trap is fiction and the authors are trying to push it as non-fiction, so it ends up in the aisle with all the other major lies by the BS authors of political tripe. Rejoice, go to where all the 9/11 tripe ends up, in the political area of the library, and thus warning the readers to beware of the BS, caution, use judgment before repeating this tripe. Heed the caution, this guy is full of BS and repeating it will mark you with that special stink only truthers have found favorable. But who cares who this guy is? His work is fiction. Have you made a mistake thinking it is true? Have you noticed the anti-Semitic side of 9/11 truth thinks this guy is stupid; now that is irony.
	Last edited by beachnut; 27th July 2007 at 10:58 PM.

27th July 2007, 11:38 PM	#15
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 20,530	Chaim Kupferberg is the darling of the indymedia sites for the past couple of years. Most troofers don't read him because he's as dry as melba toast, so they just cut-n-paste someone else's analysis and pretend it's their own insights. He's got a lot of mighta, coulda, sorta, maybe it was like this stuff in his writings, but I don't think anyone's ever bothered to debunk him because: a) he's nearly unknown b) he's so boring to read that no one's actually made it through that whole piece without dozing off Your basic google gets about four thousand hits.... all conspiradroid and troofer sites. They do reference his material on the topic of John O'Neill. Now there's something I'm truly not looking forward to reading, -- and won't. So? He's got the inside dope on the JFK assassination, 911, and OKC. Yep, another truly neutral academic source. Oh, Beachnut... his books won't make it to any aisle at the library. He has no books. In the old days, he'd by that guy who's devolved from "that nice, if eccentric, man in the house on the corner who feeds the stray cats" to "The Crazy Cat Man who always has a wad of pages torn off off legal pads with copious notes on everything from Fluoride, to Reptile Overlords, to 911 Pteradactyls". Now we have the internet, so these brave info-warriors can write away to their heart's content, and always find someone who'll "publish". At least that's how he seems to me, and I'm the greatest living authority on how things are perceived by me, so we'll have to take my word on it. CE, did you finish the Hopsicker tome? On to other proofs of the ever inter-connecting global conspiracy, I see.
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28th July 2007, 04:59 AM	#16
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 7,856	Originally Posted by Foolmewunz At least that's how he seems to me, and I'm the greatest living authority on how things are perceived by me, so we'll have to take my word on it. Evidence? Originally Posted by Foolmewunz CE, did you finish the Hopsicker tome? On to other proofs of the ever inter-connecting global conspiracy, I see. To be honest, no. It's still lying here half read. I have a habit of reading several books at the same time and Hopsicker bit the dust so far. I've read the Kupferberg article back in 2004 already, it's nothing new to me. I often recommend it to people because of it's pre-Commission Report insights and because of the fact that a german translation exists online. As i can't answer the question "who is he", i thought i'd ask here. You don't have an answer to that either, but thanks for your informed opinion on his influence.