93-Year-Old Man Shoots Burglar

BPSCG · 29th July 2007, 05:30 AM

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EL DORADO, Ark. (AP) - An elderly man beaten unconscious by an assailant wielding a soda can awoke and shot the man during an attempted robbery, police said.

Willie Lee Hill, 93, told police he saw the robber while in his bedroom Wednesday night. Hill confronted the man and was struck at least 50 times, police said. He was knocked unconscious.

Covered in blood, Hill regained consciousness a short time later and pulled a .38-caliber handgun on his attacker. The suspect, Douglas B. Williams Jr., saw the gun and charged the man, who fired a bullet that struck Williams in the throat, police said.

"I got what I deserved," Williams, 24, told police when they arrived, officers said. Investigators reported finding, among other items, a Craftsman drill bit set, three pocket knives and two hearing aids inside his pockets.

Link.

Zep · 29th July 2007, 06:05 AM

Y'know, if someone beat you over the head more than 50 times with any reasonable force, you would be more than unconscious, you would be approaching dead, wouldn't you?

So how hard was he REALLY hit? Pat-a-cake? Bitch-slap?

Learning Phase · 29th July 2007, 06:18 AM

Should have aimed higher, maybe 6 inches.

Congrats to the old guy.

The Central Scrutinizer · 29th July 2007, 07:23 AM

When soda cans are outlawed, only outlaws will have soda cans.

JJR · 29th July 2007, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by Learning Phase

Should have aimed higher, maybe 6 inches.

Congrats to the old guy.

Yep.

azazal · 29th July 2007, 09:40 AM

He gets me BAMF of the week vote

Rob Lister · 29th July 2007, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Learning Phase

Should have aimed higher, maybe 6 inches.

Congrats to the old guy.

nah, aim center mass and double tap. shoot to stop. the old man probably did just that (minus the double tap)

jsiv · 29th July 2007, 10:14 AM

See, guns aren't all bad.

JJR · 29th July 2007, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by jsiv

See, guns aren't all bad.

Totally . ..

jsiv · 29th July 2007, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by JJR

Totally . ..

Unless they're in the hands of farmers.

BPSCG · 29th July 2007, 10:43 AM

If I see an unconscious 93-year-old man with a gun, I'll kill him!

Art Vandelay · 29th July 2007, 12:36 PM

Clearly, the robber didn't see the gun ahead of time, or he wouldn't have stopped beating him. So if I see an unconscious 93-year-old man, I'll kill him whether I see a gun or not.

monoman · 29th July 2007, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

If I see an unconscious 93-year-old man with a gun, I'll kill him!

Careful, you'll have this little gem banned if you proliferate it much more.

fuelair · 29th July 2007, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

If I see an unconscious 93-year-old man with a gun, I'll kill him!

Surely you do not wish to put Claus out of work!!

CplFerro · 29th July 2007, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Zep

Y'know, if someone beat you over the head more than 50 times with any reasonable force, you would be more than unconscious, you would be approaching dead, wouldn't you?

So how hard was he REALLY hit? Pat-a-cake? Bitch-slap?

Dear Zep,

I submit that you've been overcharged by Hollywood. Humans mostly fight like animals, and animals fight conservatively. Most strikes aren't going to be particularly harsh. Painful perhaps, but not terribly forceful.

I recall a similar case over a decade ago where a gas station attendant was hit over the head with a fire extinguisher more than twenty times in a vain attempt to "knock him unconscious like in the movies."

Regarding the subject, I regret the assailant was not killed. Perhaps poisoned bullets...

Cpl Ferro

strathmeyer · 29th July 2007, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Zep

Y'know, if someone beat you over the head more than 50 times with any reasonable force, you would be more than unconscious, you would be approaching dead, wouldn't you?

So how hard was he REALLY hit? Pat-a-cake? Bitch-slap?

Hesitation. He was working up the nerve.

Or maybe the old man was just tough as balls. Some people work out, you know.

UserGoogol · 29th July 2007, 08:31 PM

I hope the burglar got better. I mean sure, he's a dick, and his being shot was arguably justifiable, but there's no advantage of having him actually die.

Zep · 30th July 2007, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by CplFerro

Dear Zep,

I submit that you've been overcharged by Hollywood. Humans mostly fight like animals, and animals fight conservatively. Most strikes aren't going to be particularly harsh. Painful perhaps, but not terribly forceful.

I recall a similar case over a decade ago where a gas station attendant was hit over the head with a fire extinguisher more than twenty times in a vain attempt to "knock him unconscious like in the movies."

Regarding the subject, I regret the assailant was not killed. Perhaps poisoned bullets...

Cpl Ferro

I'm aware of that.

So it's pat-a-cake then!

fuelair · 30th July 2007, 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by Zep

I'm aware of that.

So it's pat-a-cake then!

I'm so glad I am better trained that that - don't fight if you don't have to but any fight more than 10 seconds long means either a really even match or play-fighting.

Undesired Walrus · 30th July 2007, 02:28 AM

Many Americans unshakable resolve towards 'Keeping ma gun, and if you dont like it you can geeet out' is worrying for reasonable Brits like me.

Do you really think Humans are competent enough to keep a gun under the pillow?

That said, gun control seems to be hopeless invention.

Zep · 30th July 2007, 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by fuelair

I'm so glad I am better trained that that - don't fight if you don't have to but any fight more than 10 seconds long means either a really even match or play-fighting.

Agreed. It should really be all over in one hit...if you are really serious about stopping someone. Not that I advocate that sort of violence, of course, but I believe I can look after myself in such a situation if I have to.

blndrhed · 30th July 2007, 03:55 AM

I've owned my share of guns: several handguns and assault rifles and a few shotguns. I freakin' hate the NRA. They are nothing but lobbyists for gun manufacturers, and I think gun owners advocacy should be left to the citizens and not the gun industry. I can also tell you a few stories of people in my area who have been hit by stray bullets from carelessly discharged firearms. Gun control is a gray area for me. I wouldn't have a problem with a certification program. I, myself, have taken courses and have obtained a license to carry a concealed weapon at one point. I tend to go for a shotgun as far as home defense, to many neighbors close by.

Ranb · 30th July 2007, 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by UserGoogol

I hope the burglar got better. I mean sure, he's a dick, and his being shot was arguably justifiable, but there's no advantage of having him actually die.

You are joking right? If he was killed, then he will never try to hurt anyone again. But he is alive for now. If he lives long enough to go to prison, he may be a threat to the people whose job it is to watch over and care for him in prison. When he gets out, there is a chance he will still be a threat to those around him. What makes you think anyone low enough to beat a 93 year old man has any reason to shape up and live right?

His death would have been justifiable.

Ranb

Rob Lister · 30th July 2007, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by UserGoogol

I hope the burglar got better. I mean sure, he's a dick, and his being shot was arguably justifiable, but there's no advantage of having him actually die.

He's going to live but I see no advantage in it.

Zep · 30th July 2007, 04:43 AM

Originally Posted by Ranb

You are joking right? If he was killed, then he will never try to hurt anyone again. But he is alive for now. If he lives long enough to go to prison, he may be a threat to the people whose job it is to watch over and care for him in prison. When he gets out, there is a chance he will still be a threat to those around him. What makes you think anyone low enough to beat a 93 year old man has any reason to shape up and live right?

His death would have been justifiable.

Ranb

So when the police came to question him, it would have been the word of a 93-year-old who had been knocked insensible that would be judge and jury enough to blow the guy away and walk away scot-free?

I must try that next time I feel like killing a neighbour: Invite them over and blast them, then bang my head on the ground a few times so I bruise and bleed, then call the police and trot out the above story. Sweet!

BPSCG · 30th July 2007, 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by Zep

So when the police came to question him, it would have been the word of a 93-year-old who had been knocked insensible that would be judge and jury enough to blow the guy away and walk away scot-free?

I must try that next time I feel like killing a neighbour: Invite them over and blast them, then bang my head on the ground a few times so I bruise and bleed, then call the police and trot out the above story. Sweet!

Do you really think that's what happened here?

Let's take the gun out of the story. What should Mr. Hill have done to stop the burglar?

Undesired Walrus · 30th July 2007, 04:51 AM

'They toook arrre gooons! If they dont like it they can geeet out'

The Painter · 30th July 2007, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by Zep

I must try that next time I feel like killing a neighbour: Invite them over and blast them, then bang my head on the ground a few times so I bruise and bleed, then call the police and trot out the above story. Sweet!

Try that. Let us know how it works out.

Zep · 30th July 2007, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by The Painter

Try that. Let us know how it works out.

We REALLY need a "sarcasm" smilie...

Zep · 30th July 2007, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

Do you really think that's what happened here?

If the other guy was dead from being shot as you advocated, you can't rule it out. Can you. All that CSI crime-scene recreation from two hairs and a gum-wrapper stuff only happens on TV...

Originally Posted by BPSCG

Let's take the gun out of the story. What should Mr. Hill have done to stop the burglar?

He was beaten unconscious before he was burgled, according to the story. So I guess all he could do was to have kept on lying there. It was only after he came round again that he started shooting. So by then he wasn't preventing the burglary, nor was he stopping it. He was simply apprehending the villain after the fact.

To be honest, I would probably do something similar, but I wouldn't shoot to kill. But then I wouldn't shoot at all if I could bail the guy up and call the police either.

BPSCG · 30th July 2007, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by Zep

He was beaten unconscious before he was burgled, according to the story. So I guess all he could do was to have kept on lying there. It was only after he came round again that he started shooting. So by then he wasn't preventing the burglary, nor was he stopping it. He was simply apprehending the villain after the fact.

I beg to differ. He wasn't preventing the break-in, since it had already happened. But he was certainly preventing the burglary. You noted the part in the story where it says the burglar didn't get away.

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To be honest, I would probably do something similar, but I wouldn't shoot to kill. But then I wouldn't shoot at all if I could bail the guy up and call the police either.

I think you are far more charitable and forgiving than I would be in similar circumstances. Someone breaks into my house and beats me unconscious, I am going to assume he would not hesitate to kill me. In which case, I would do my best to make him one of the deadest men who ever lived.

The Central Scrutinizer · 30th July 2007, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by UserGoogol

I hope the burglar got better. I mean sure, he's a dick, and his being shot was arguably justifiable, but there's no advantage of having him actually die.

Sure there is. He wouldn't be able to try to kill any other 93 year olds.

Ranb · 30th July 2007, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by Zep

[u].....It was only after he came round again that he started shooting. So by then he wasn't preventing the burglary, nor was he stopping it. He was simply apprehending the villain after the fact......

If you read the original link again, it says that the burglar charged the victim after seeing him awake with the gun. Most people I think would say the old man acted in self defense. There MIGHT be a few people here who would have trusted the burglar to not beat them again. I am not one of those people, are you? I hope not.

Ranb

ponderingturtle · 30th July 2007, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by UserGoogol

I hope the burglar got better. I mean sure, he's a dick, and his being shot was arguably justifiable, but there's no advantage of having him actually die.

But death is funny. That is why so many here would have prefered him dead.

ponderingturtle · 30th July 2007, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Ranb

You are joking right? If he was killed, then he will never try to hurt anyone again. But he is alive for now. If he lives long enough to go to prison, he may be a threat to the people whose job it is to watch over and care for him in prison. When he gets out, there is a chance he will still be a threat to those around him. What makes you think anyone low enough to beat a 93 year old man has any reason to shape up and live right?

His death would have been justifiable.

Ranb

So when ever you can get away with killing someone you should?

It would seem you are advocating the death penalty for assault and battery as well.

JJR · 30th July 2007, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

But death is funny. That is why so many here would have prefered him dead.

It's only funny if he is a monster with an underdeveloped pre-frontal cortex and can't inhibit his impulses. In the near future perhaps that can be changed.

Probably have to be done at birth. I really can't see a printer printing out a new brain for a man. That would be just silly, even though printers will print out hearts and flying cars (at least ambulances and other emergency vehicles) will be a reality. Already have one, but it's too noisy. Uses the same software as the VTAL (Vertical Takeoff And Landing) jets use to keep it stable.

Mycroft · 30th July 2007, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by Zep

To be honest, I would probably do something similar, but I wouldn't shoot to kill. But then I wouldn't shoot at all if I could bail the guy up and call the police either.

So you've just woken after having been beaten unconscious, you're 93 years old, and you think you have it in you to tie down a young 20-something man who just beat the crap out of you?

ponderingturtle · 30th July 2007, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by JJR

It's only funny if he is a monster with an underdeveloped pre-frontal cortex and can't inhibit his impulses. In the near future perhaps that can be changed.

So you think assault and battery of an elderly indivual should merrit a death penalty as a general rule then?

ponderingturtle · 30th July 2007, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by jsiv

Unless they're in the hands of farmers.

Or users of ATV's

JJR · 30th July 2007, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

So you think assault and battery of an elderly indivual should merrit a death penalty as a general rule then?

Assault and battery? No, these guys with the bad brains kill at the drop of a hat. When you would slap someone, they just kill them. I was just saying that DEATH is funny when the person who dies is a monster.

If a guy just ate a baby and was then shot I would laugh. This won't change for me.

The reason I said, "Yep" earlier is because the burgler was invading the elderly man's home, and there's no telling what the burgler will do. Tresspassing, breaking and entering are stupid things to do and it's refreshing to see the bad guy get hurt instead of the innocent folks minding their own business.

29th July 2007, 05:30 AM	#1
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	93-Year-Old Man Shoots Burglar Quote: EL DORADO, Ark. (AP) - An elderly man beaten unconscious by an assailant wielding a soda can awoke and shot the man during an attempted robbery, police said. Willie Lee Hill, 93, told police he saw the robber while in his bedroom Wednesday night. Hill confronted the man and was struck at least 50 times, police said. He was knocked unconscious. Covered in blood, Hill regained consciousness a short time later and pulled a .38-caliber handgun on his attacker. The suspect, Douglas B. Williams Jr., saw the gun and charged the man, who fired a bullet that struck Williams in the throat, police said. "I got what I deserved," Williams, 24, told police when they arrived, officers said. Investigators reported finding, among other items, a Craftsman drill bit set, three pocket knives and two hearing aids inside his pockets. Link.
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29th July 2007, 06:05 AM	#2
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Y'know, if someone beat you over the head more than 50 times with any reasonable force, you would be more than unconscious, you would be approaching dead, wouldn't you? So how hard was he REALLY hit? Pat-a-cake? Bitch-slap?
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29th July 2007, 06:18 AM	#3
Learning Phase Scholar Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 92	Should have aimed higher, maybe 6 inches. Congrats to the old guy.
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29th July 2007, 07:23 AM	#4
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29th July 2007, 09:40 AM	#6
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29th July 2007, 07:36 AM	#5
JJR Muse Join Date: May 2007 Location: The inner circle of thought Posts: 563	Originally Posted by Learning Phase Should have aimed higher, maybe 6 inches. Congrats to the old guy. Yep.

29th July 2007, 10:11 AM	#7
Rob Lister Suspended Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 8,523	Originally Posted by Learning Phase Should have aimed higher, maybe 6 inches. Congrats to the old guy. nah, aim center mass and double tap. shoot to stop. the old man probably did just that (minus the double tap)

29th July 2007, 10:14 AM	#8
jsiv King of Svalbard Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bortenfor alle blåner Posts: 4,492	See, guns aren't all bad.
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29th July 2007, 10:35 AM	#9
JJR Muse Join Date: May 2007 Location: The inner circle of thought Posts: 563	Originally Posted by jsiv See, guns aren't all bad. Totally . ..

29th July 2007, 10:38 AM	#10
jsiv King of Svalbard Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bortenfor alle blåner Posts: 4,492	Originally Posted by JJR Totally . .. Unless they're in the hands of farmers.
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29th July 2007, 10:43 AM	#11
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	If I see an unconscious 93-year-old man with a gun, I'll kill him!
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29th July 2007, 12:36 PM	#12
Art Vandelay Illuminator Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 4,790	Clearly, the robber didn't see the gun ahead of time, or he wouldn't have stopped beating him. So if I see an unconscious 93-year-old man, I'll kill him whether I see a gun or not.

29th July 2007, 01:14 PM	#13
monoman Master baiter - I fish! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 967	Originally Posted by BPSCG If I see an unconscious 93-year-old man with a gun, I'll kill him! Careful, you'll have this little gem banned if you proliferate it much more.

29th July 2007, 06:13 PM	#14
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by BPSCG If I see an unconscious 93-year-old man with a gun, I'll kill him! Surely you do not wish to put Claus out of work!!
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29th July 2007, 08:20 PM	#15
CplFerro Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,383	Originally Posted by Zep Y'know, if someone beat you over the head more than 50 times with any reasonable force, you would be more than unconscious, you would be approaching dead, wouldn't you? So how hard was he REALLY hit? Pat-a-cake? Bitch-slap? Dear Zep, I submit that you've been overcharged by Hollywood. Humans mostly fight like animals, and animals fight conservatively. Most strikes aren't going to be particularly harsh. Painful perhaps, but not terribly forceful. I recall a similar case over a decade ago where a gas station attendant was hit over the head with a fire extinguisher more than twenty times in a vain attempt to "knock him unconscious like in the movies." Regarding the subject, I regret the assailant was not killed. Perhaps poisoned bullets... Cpl Ferro

29th July 2007, 08:25 PM	#16
strathmeyer seriously unable to be serious Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA, USA Posts: 2,382	Originally Posted by Zep Y'know, if someone beat you over the head more than 50 times with any reasonable force, you would be more than unconscious, you would be approaching dead, wouldn't you? So how hard was he REALLY hit? Pat-a-cake? Bitch-slap? Hesitation. He was working up the nerve. Or maybe the old man was just tough as balls. Some people work out, you know.

29th July 2007, 08:31 PM	#17
UserGoogol Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,074	I hope the burglar got better. I mean sure, he's a dick, and his being shot was arguably justifiable, but there's no advantage of having him actually die.
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30th July 2007, 12:00 AM	#18
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Originally Posted by CplFerro Dear Zep, I submit that you've been overcharged by Hollywood. Humans mostly fight like animals, and animals fight conservatively. Most strikes aren't going to be particularly harsh. Painful perhaps, but not terribly forceful. I recall a similar case over a decade ago where a gas station attendant was hit over the head with a fire extinguisher more than twenty times in a vain attempt to "knock him unconscious like in the movies." Regarding the subject, I regret the assailant was not killed. Perhaps poisoned bullets... Cpl Ferro I'm aware of that. So it's pat-a-cake then!
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30th July 2007, 12:45 AM	#19
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by Zep I'm aware of that. So it's pat-a-cake then! I'm so glad I am better trained that that - don't fight if you don't have to but any fight more than 10 seconds long means either a really even match or play-fighting.
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30th July 2007, 02:28 AM	#20
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,892	Many Americans unshakable resolve towards 'Keeping ma gun, and if you dont like it you can geeet out' is worrying for reasonable Brits like me. Do you really think Humans are competent enough to keep a gun under the pillow? That said, gun control seems to be hopeless invention.

30th July 2007, 02:55 AM	#21
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Originally Posted by fuelair I'm so glad I am better trained that that - don't fight if you don't have to but any fight more than 10 seconds long means either a really even match or play-fighting. Agreed. It should really be all over in one hit...if you are really serious about stopping someone. Not that I advocate that sort of violence, of course, but I believe I can look after myself in such a situation if I have to.
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30th July 2007, 03:55 AM	#22
blndrhed Thinker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: the sticks Posts: 148	I've owned my share of guns: several handguns and assault rifles and a few shotguns. I freakin' hate the NRA. They are nothing but lobbyists for gun manufacturers, and I think gun owners advocacy should be left to the citizens and not the gun industry. I can also tell you a few stories of people in my area who have been hit by stray bullets from carelessly discharged firearms. Gun control is a gray area for me. I wouldn't have a problem with a certification program. I, myself, have taken courses and have obtained a license to carry a concealed weapon at one point. I tend to go for a shotgun as far as home defense, to many neighbors close by.

30th July 2007, 04:13 AM	#23
Ranb Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: WA USA Posts: 4,114	Originally Posted by UserGoogol I hope the burglar got better. I mean sure, he's a dick, and his being shot was arguably justifiable, but there's no advantage of having him actually die. You are joking right? If he was killed, then he will never try to hurt anyone again. But he is alive for now. If he lives long enough to go to prison, he may be a threat to the people whose job it is to watch over and care for him in prison. When he gets out, there is a chance he will still be a threat to those around him. What makes you think anyone low enough to beat a 93 year old man has any reason to shape up and live right? His death would have been justifiable. Ranb

30th July 2007, 04:24 AM	#24
Rob Lister Suspended Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 8,523	Originally Posted by UserGoogol I hope the burglar got better. I mean sure, he's a dick, and his being shot was arguably justifiable, but there's no advantage of having him actually die. He's going to live but I see no advantage in it.

30th July 2007, 04:43 AM	#25
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Originally Posted by Ranb You are joking right? If he was killed, then he will never try to hurt anyone again. But he is alive for now. If he lives long enough to go to prison, he may be a threat to the people whose job it is to watch over and care for him in prison. When he gets out, there is a chance he will still be a threat to those around him. What makes you think anyone low enough to beat a 93 year old man has any reason to shape up and live right? His death would have been justifiable. Ranb So when the police came to question him, it would have been the word of a 93-year-old who had been knocked insensible that would be judge and jury enough to blow the guy away and walk away scot-free? I must try that next time I feel like killing a neighbour: Invite them over and blast them, then bang my head on the ground a few times so I bruise and bleed, then call the police and trot out the above story. Sweet!
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30th July 2007, 04:50 AM	#26
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Originally Posted by Zep So when the police came to question him, it would have been the word of a 93-year-old who had been knocked insensible that would be judge and jury enough to blow the guy away and walk away scot-free? I must try that next time I feel like killing a neighbour: Invite them over and blast them, then bang my head on the ground a few times so I bruise and bleed, then call the police and trot out the above story. Sweet! Do you *really* think that's what happened here? Let's take the gun out of the story. What should Mr. Hill have done to stop the burglar?
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30th July 2007, 04:51 AM	#27
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,892	'They toook arrre gooons! If they dont like it they can geeet out'

30th July 2007, 04:59 AM	#28
The Painter Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New York Posts: 2,656	Originally Posted by Zep I must try that next time I feel like killing a neighbour: Invite them over and blast them, then bang my head on the ground a few times so I bruise and bleed, then call the police and trot out the above story. Sweet! Try that. Let us know how it works out.

30th July 2007, 05:09 AM	#29
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Originally Posted by The Painter Try that. Let us know how it works out. We REALLY need a "sarcasm" smilie...
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30th July 2007, 05:17 AM	#30
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Originally Posted by BPSCG Do you *really* think that's what happened here? If the other guy was dead from being shot as you advocated, you can't rule it out. Can you. All that CSI crime-scene recreation from two hairs and a gum-wrapper stuff only happens on TV... Originally Posted by BPSCG Let's take the gun out of the story. What should Mr. Hill have done to stop the burglar? He was beaten unconscious before he was burgled, according to the story. So I guess all he could do was to have kept on lying there. It was only after he came round again that he started shooting. So by then he wasn't preventing the burglary, nor was he stopping it. He was simply apprehending the villain after the fact. To be honest, I would probably do something similar, but I wouldn't shoot to kill. But then I wouldn't shoot at all if I could bail the guy up and call the police either.
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30th July 2007, 05:45 AM	#31
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Originally Posted by Zep He was beaten unconscious before he was burgled, according to the story. So I guess all he could do was to have kept on lying there. It was only after he came round again that he started shooting. So by then he wasn't preventing the burglary, nor was he stopping it. He was simply apprehending the villain after the fact. I beg to differ. He wasn't preventing the break-in, since it had already happened. But he was certainly preventing the burglary. You noted the part in the story where it says the burglar didn't get away. Quote: To be honest, I would probably do something similar, but I wouldn't shoot to kill. But then I wouldn't shoot at all if I could bail the guy up and call the police either. I think you are far more charitable and forgiving than I would be in similar circumstances. Someone breaks into my house and beats me unconscious, I am going to assume he would not hesitate to kill me. In which case, I would do my best to make him one of the deadest men who ever lived.
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30th July 2007, 06:24 AM	#32
The Central Scrutinizer Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The White Zone Posts: 42,277	Originally Posted by UserGoogol I hope the burglar got better. I mean sure, he's a dick, and his being shot was arguably justifiable, but there's no advantage of having him actually die. Sure there is. He wouldn't be able to try to kill any other 93 year olds.
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30th July 2007, 07:29 AM	#33
Ranb Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: WA USA Posts: 4,114	Originally Posted by Zep [u].....It was only after he came round again that he started shooting. So by then he wasn't preventing the burglary, nor was he stopping it. He was simply apprehending the villain after the fact...... If you read the original link again, it says that the burglar charged the victim after seeing him awake with the gun. Most people I think would say the old man acted in self defense. There MIGHT be a few people here who would have trusted the burglar to not beat them again. I am not one of those people, are you? I hope not. Ranb

30th July 2007, 08:24 AM	#34
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tarrytown, NY Posts: 26,432	Originally Posted by UserGoogol I hope the burglar got better. I mean sure, he's a dick, and his being shot was arguably justifiable, but there's no advantage of having him actually die. But death is funny. That is why so many here would have prefered him dead.
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30th July 2007, 08:27 AM	#35
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tarrytown, NY Posts: 26,432	Originally Posted by Ranb You are joking right? If he was killed, then he will never try to hurt anyone again. But he is alive for now. If he lives long enough to go to prison, he may be a threat to the people whose job it is to watch over and care for him in prison. When he gets out, there is a chance he will still be a threat to those around him. What makes you think anyone low enough to beat a 93 year old man has any reason to shape up and live right? His death would have been justifiable. Ranb So when ever you can get away with killing someone you should? It would seem you are advocating the death penalty for assault and battery as well.
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