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SeekingTruth · 31st July 2007, 06:49 AM

It appears that SB is not going away easily - if at all. She has now added Las Vegas to her lecture circuit - with 15, yes FIFTEEN, shows scheduled there next month.

SYLVIA BROWNE at the EXCALIBUR in LAS VEGAS!
Excalibur Hotel Casino is pleased to present "An Evening with Sylvia Browne" this August.

Show dates are: August 9-13; August16-20 and August 23-27. All performances take place at 7:30 p.m. in Excalibur's banquet center. General admission tickets, priced at $75 plus tax and fees, are on sale now at the Excalibur box office. Call toll free 1-800-933-1334 for tickets. Tickets are also available at www.excalibur.com

In addition the Excalibur is pleased to offer the following hotel room and added value package in August:

Stay 2 nights and you'll receive:*

$5 off their internet rates
Free tan at the spa or free spa admission
$10 Free Play when you join the Players club
Free appetizer when you purchase an appetizer at Dick's Last Resort
Free Tournament of Kings program with the purchase of two show tickets
* (This special offer can only be booked online and only available until August 16th.)

Wonder if due to her age and health, she's decided to become a fixture in Las Vegas instead of being on the road constantly? Or are these appearances in Las Vegas going to be IN ADDITION to the lectures and Montel appearances.

Robert, if you have any "smoking guns" you've been holding back, now might be the time to bring them out because I don't see her going away - I see her expanding.

ST

Kelly · 31st July 2007, 07:34 AM

I wonder if a concentrated letter writing effort to the Excalibur would help them see the errors of their ways.

I would be willing to write to them.

brodski · 31st July 2007, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by Kelly

I wonder if a concentrated letter writing effort to the Excalibur would help them see the errors of their ways.

I would be willing to write to them.

Would a hotel in Vegas really cancel a money making show because some people thought it immoral or exploitative?

I’m disgusted by Browne as much as anyone but I think appealing to a casinos sense of decency is a lost cause.

SeekingTruth · 31st July 2007, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by brodski

I’m disgusted by Browne as much as anyone but I think appealing to a casinos sense of decency is a lost cause.

I prefer not to take a defeatist attitude - we won't know if we don't at least try. Kelly, I too will write a letter to the Excaliber - and include the link to www.stopsylvia.com.

The Excaliber won't be losing money if they cancel her appearances - they'll just book someone else for that time period - but at least it wouldn't be SB.

ST

Kelly · 31st July 2007, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by brodski

Would a hotel in Vegas really cancel a money making show because some people thought it immoral or exploitative?

I’m disgusted by Browne as much as anyone but I think appealing to a casinos sense of decency is a lost cause.

Casino and decency in the same sentence??

I wouldn't expect them to cancel these shows, or think they would, however, what I would hope is that they might think twice about booking more shows.

Unfortunately, I am sure that even if they received thousands of complaint letters, they would not cease what they are doing as long as it is a cash cow.

The only real hope then would be that Sb wasn't the draw they expected.

Bri · 31st July 2007, 10:07 AM

Someone should print off a lot of very brief, convincing handouts/flyers and hand them to people going to buy tickets. Perhaps it would persuade some to spend their money on Cirque du Soleil instead.

-Bri

TheDoLittle · 31st July 2007, 10:27 AM

What you do is have Penn & Teller come out to where the people are lining up (if they line up) for Saliva's show and have them not only do a psychic reading with the crowd, but in true P&T style, show everyone how the trick was done.

That way the people will begin to get up and walk out in the middle of the show asking themselves "I paid $75 for this?"

grayman · 31st July 2007, 10:47 AM

What would really fun would be if we could afford to purchase tickets for one entire show and fill the audience with forumites, skeptics, Robert Lancaster, P&T, and of course, our own dear Mr. James Randi.

Would she cancel her appearance? Or would we finally get to see that famous headline from the Weekly World News: "Famed Psychic's Head Explodes"?

SeekingTruth · 31st July 2007, 11:01 AM

According to www.excalibur.com the actual ticket price "with tax and fees" is $82.50.
They say it's being held in the ballroom....but I can't seem to find how many people the ballroom can seat....whatever it is, it's too many...

ST

brodski · 31st July 2007, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by SeekingTruth

I prefer not to take a defeatist attitude - we won't know if we don't at least try. Kelly, I too will write a letter to the Excaliber - and include the link to www.stopsylvia.com.

The Excaliber won't be losing money if they cancel her appearances - they'll just book someone else for that time period - but at least it wouldn't be SB.

ST

I don't take a defeatist attitude, but I do like to focus my efforts in areas where I may be able to make a difference.

sinclairmcevoy · 31st July 2007, 11:26 AM

I highly doubt if a casino would cancel her show due to outcry from a bunch of skeptics. In fact, there is a lot of energy expended in this forum on the same old stuff. (S.B.) It's getting tiring, like the same old thing for lunch, again. I think that the effort could be spent on other pursuits, much more worthwhile than this wind bag.

SeekingTruth · 31st July 2007, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by sinclairmcevoy

I highly doubt if a casino would cancel her show due to outcry from a bunch of skeptics. In fact, there is a lot of energy expended in this forum on the same old stuff. (S.B.) It's getting tiring, like the same old thing for lunch, again. I think that the effort could be spent on other pursuits, much more worthwhile than this wind bag.

Stoping this wind bag is worthwhile - just ask Shawn Hornbeck's parents or all the other people she's hurt....
and apparently Robert Lancaster thinks it's worthwhile.

ST

RSLancastr · 31st July 2007, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by SeekingTruth

It appears that SB is not going away easily - if at all.

Oh, ye of little faith (said the agnostic)!

Quote:

Robert, if you have any "smoking guns" you've been holding back, now might be the time to bring them out because I don't see her going away - I see her expanding.

I see her making last-ditch attempts to milk as much out of her career as she can before it ends.

Originally Posted by Kelly

I wonder if a concentrated letter writing effort to the Excalibur would help them see the errors of their ways.

I don't see that as having any effect, Kelly.

Originally Posted by Bri

Someone should print off a lot of very brief, convincing handouts/flyers and hand them to people going to buy tickets. Perhaps it would persuade some to spend their money on Cirque du Soleil instead.

I would imagine that the vast majority of the ticket sales will be done online.

Originally Posted by grayman

What would really fun would be if we could afford to purchase tickets for one entire show and fill the audience with forumites, skeptics, Robert Lancaster, P&T, and of course, our own dear Mr. James Randi.

... all wearing SSB t-shirts.

Originally Posted by sinclairmcevoy

I highly doubt if a casino would cancel her show due to outcry from a bunch of skeptics.

Agreed.

Quote:

In fact, there is a lot of energy expended in this forum on the same old stuff. (S.B.) It's getting tiring, like the same old thing for lunch, again. I think that the effort could be spent on other pursuits, much more worthwhile than this wind bag.

Then I would suggest that you pick a pursuit which seems worthhile to you, and pursue it with passion and purpose.

Miss Anthrope · 31st July 2007, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by brodski

Would a hotel in Vegas really cancel a money making show because some people thought it immoral or exploitative?

I’m disgusted by Browne as much as anyone but I think appealing to a casinos sense of decency is a lost cause.

Yup.

sinclairmcevoy · 31st July 2007, 12:06 PM

Sorry if I was misunderstood. RSL does a wonderful service. Any effort to stop this windbag is worthwhile. I guess I'm just about saturated with her b.s. It's like flogging a dead horse. But even a dead horse has value, glue, for instance. Flog away, I'll keep my mouth shut.

SeekingTruth · 31st July 2007, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by sinclairmcevoy

Sorry if I was misunderstood. RSL does a wonderful service. Any effort to stop this windbag is worthwhile. I guess I'm just about saturated with her b.s. It's like flogging a dead horse. But even a dead horse has value, glue, for instance. Flog away, I'll keep my mouth shut.

I don't think any of us are into flogging.... so you're safe

I appreciate you coming back and reversing your stand - it takes a big person to do that.... thank you!

ST

PastBrowneFan · 31st July 2007, 01:04 PM

I was worried that sinclairmcevoy was going to start a stopstopsylviabrowne website.

PastBrowneFan · 31st July 2007, 01:08 PM

RSL,

I too see this as a last minute attempt to make money, grasping at straws, running a trial run to see if they can make money by going to Vegas instead of the lecture circuit.

I know that they have had trouble getting enough people to volunteer at her lectures, so maybe RSL's site is making a dent in the SB money machine.

I honestly don't see how many people would pay $75+ to see her in Vegas, especially since it is short notice and most people that I know plan out the shows they are going to see well before they get there.

We'll just have to wait and see.

alfaniner · 31st July 2007, 01:55 PM

Hmmm... It doesn't seem that the casino is too concerned about her "psychic predictive powers"!

SeekingTruth · 31st July 2007, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by PastBrowneFan

RSL,

I too see this as a last minute attempt to make money, grasping at straws, running a trial run to see if they can make money by going to Vegas instead of the lecture circuit.

I know that they have had trouble getting enough people to volunteer at her lectures, so maybe RSL's site is making a dent in the SB money machine.

I honestly don't see how many people would pay $75+ to see her in Vegas, especially since it is short notice and most people that I know plan out the shows they are going to see well before they get there.

We'll just have to wait and see.

I wish I could agree with you PBF, but I think it has more to do with her age (70) and her health (bad hip needing surgery). Spending a month in Vegas will enable her to rest and not spend weeks on airplanes travelling from city to city. 15 appearances in Vegas will make up for 6 month's of lectures - and a whole lot easier on her. She'll still be able to do her 20+ readings each day from the luxurious room she'll no doubt have - comped, I'm sure by the hotel.

As for volunteers at her lectures - they seem to do ok getting enough people, especially now that they're putting out the word on GSB where they need volunteers - and from what I've been told, her lectures have all been sell outs. The reason they've been short on volunteers (according to someone who reads at GSB) is because most people would rather spend the money to get seats up front than to have to work part of the lecture.

A lot of people heading to Vegas book shows that you have to get tickets for months in advance. Someone spending a week in Vegas may have booked in advance a couple of shows and the rest of their time is open....so I see them filling the seats at SB's "shows" - especially those who have time on their hands and go for the novelty - or because they've heard of her - maybe just to be "entertained".

ST

sinclairmcevoy · 31st July 2007, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by PastBrowneFan

I was worried that sinclairmcevoy was going to start a stopstopsylviabrowne website.

Ha ha ha! That's pretty funny! No worries there. Stopping her is enough.

Boo · 31st July 2007, 03:37 PM

Surely there are enough Randi and skeptic friendly magicians performing in Vegas (P&T to name two) with enough clout to turn a very uncomfortable spotlight on this roach.

Boo

Ladewig · 31st July 2007, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by SeekingTruth

A lot of people heading to Vegas .... especially those who have time on their hands and go for the novelty - or because they've heard of her - maybe just to be "entertained".

ST

I have never seen a group of people more superstitious than casino gamblers. I expect Excalibur will make a tidy sum on this event.

Kochanski · 31st July 2007, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

I have never seen a group of people more superstitious than casino gamblers. I expect Excalibur will make a tidy sum on this event.

I was thinking the same thing. Seems to me that the SB crowd is the group casinos must like most. As far as the casino is concerned this will just attract more credulous people to Vegas and ones who are likely to see "signs" and "streaks" and drop much bucks in the casino. People who are just sure that their luck will make them win.

As venues go, the land of the fake and make-believe that is Vegas is really the ideal one for SB. It is all glitz and show with no substance or reality.

Zep · 31st July 2007, 07:23 PM

I like the idea of Penn and Teller doing a street psychic routine "Exposed!" right outside the door! A real humdinger, with noise and lights and everything that would gather a street crowd. You can't get much more chaos and attention than Penn on a roll, and he knows it.

This would accomplish two things: (1) Make SB's routine look as REALLY tired and lame as it actually is, and (2) get the punters into the casino anyway, which is what they want, really.*

* Casinos don't care if it's strippers, SB or performing seals (or all three combined). They really want bums on seats in the gaming areas - period.

angrybeliever · 1st August 2007, 07:31 AM

An interesting point here also: The casinos use tickets to these shows as comps for the fluid spenders, too.

So, the casinos could end up using HER as bait for keeping their gamblers happy...and since the tickets were from them...she wouldn't get that money.

Lovely thought.

AB

Locknar · 1st August 2007, 07:37 AM

You'd have to think there are enough skeptics in the Vegas area, that would make these shows interesting to say the least

If not for the cost, having Randi, RSL, or say Penn & Teller there in the front row would be a priceless Kodak moment; they would not have to say or do anything...just be there watching.

RSLancastr · 1st August 2007, 09:31 AM

Unfortunately, it is not assigned seating.

Locknar · 1st August 2007, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by RSLancastr

Unfortunately, it is not assigned seating.

In any event, I'm sure you (et all) would not go un-noticed

Skeptic Guy · 1st August 2007, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by SeekingTruth

I don't think any of us are into flogging.... so you're safe

(SNIP)
ST

Speak for yourself!

Originally Posted by Zep

I like the idea of Penn and Teller doing a street psychic routine "Exposed!" right outside the door! A real humdinger, with noise and lights and everything that would gather a street crowd. You can't get much more chaos and attention than Penn on a roll, and he knows it.

This would accomplish two things: (1) Make SB's routine look as REALLY tired and lame as it actually is, and (2) get the punters into the casino anyway, which is what they want, really.*

* Casinos don't care if it's strippers, SB or performing seals (or all three combined). They really want bums on seats in the gaming areas - period.

Zep, this would be a perfect opportunity for some BS material for P&T. I hope the message gets to them and they try it.

Originally Posted by RSLancastr

Unfortunately, it is not assigned seating.

That means they have to get there extra-special early!

angrybeliever · 2nd August 2007, 01:52 PM

The idea of a group of people with the front row occupied by our own RSL, Randi and other such people...just makes my heart flutter with great excitement. Sylvia would crap her depends, especially if everyone was wearing SSB shirts visible just before she came on in her glory.

AB

Alice Shortcake · 2nd August 2007, 02:19 PM

Oooh, I wish I could afford to be part of that audience...

FramerDave · 2nd August 2007, 04:07 PM

This may have been said already, but I think Vegas is the perfect venue for someone of her caliber. And the lovely (yeah) Excaliber is the perfect place for her. A great match, though I can' imagine why she'd choose to place herself in such close proximity to Penn and Teller.

ETA: Let's look at a letter campaign in a different way. No, it probably would not prompt the hotel to cancel the show. Money, after all, is money. But if they get enough letters they may have to reply. And I would bet that their reply would be that it's for entertainment purposes only. Yeah, it's weaseling out of it, BUT it would force them to admit that she's doing a routine parlor trick, albeit badly. Worthwhile in my opinion.

Sylvia Clown · 2nd August 2007, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by FramerDave

And the lovely (yeah) Excaliber is the perfect place for her. A great match, though I can' imagine why she'd choose to place herself in such close proximity to Penn and Teller.

Maybe so she can bash them while she's on stage?

SYLVIA, ON STAGE IN VEGAS: And I wanna get it clear to everyone that I - I don't wanna name any - any names, but, you know, those two boneheads over at the other casino. So tired of all the magicians who try and refute psychic abilities. We all know better. Yeah, so that's why I'm here so nearby, to tell those "magicians" that I'm not afraid of 'em. I have nothing to be afraid of. I've been psychic for over 60 years, before that my grandmother was psychic, I come from a psychic bloodline, we're all psychic, we've all had the gift, we know it's real. yadda yadda yadda...

oakster · 5th August 2007, 12:57 AM

mmmnnn!!!!!

Zep · 5th August 2007, 03:00 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Guy

Zep, this would be a perfect opportunity for some BS material for P&T. I hope the message gets to them and they try it.

P&T would need to look carefully at their deal with The Mirage, I suspect - contractual obligations and all that. Which is probably why they can't do "a show" in Excalibur. However, filming for an ep of BS! could quite possibly be done to coincide with Sylvia's gig, thereby deflating it.

My suggestion would be to develop a really bad send-up of Sylvia's act that goes drastically and humourously awful (in true P&T style). That could be put on BS!, and also in their stage act, and on their billboards, etc. I trust P&T have their own self-promotion down to a fine art!

Also, it's not my idea. I cheerfully point to TheDoLittle above, who suggested it initially.

Originally Posted by Sylvia Clown

Maybe so she can bash them while she's on stage?

SYLVIA, ON STAGE IN VEGAS: And I wanna get it clear to everyone that I - I don't wanna name any - any names, but, you know, those two boneheads over at the other casino. So tired of all the magicians who try and refute psychic abilities. We all know better. Yeah, so that's why I'm here so nearby, to tell those "magicians" that I'm not afraid of 'em. I have nothing to be afraid of. I've been psychic for over 60 years, before that my grandmother was psychic, I come from a psychic bloodline, we're all psychic, we've all had the gift, we know it's real. yadda yadda yadda...

Very true! In actual fact, if Randi and friends were in the front row of her act, they would indeed be putting themselves in her firing line with no chance of a comeback. The audience (such as it is) would be total Sylvia suck-ups, and would not appreciate their presence either. A bad move, I suspect.

I suggest a better idea would be to simply log the attendance records, multiply by the ticket cost, and publish that info. Money talks, and in Vegas, it shouts.

Originally Posted by oakster

mmmnnn!!!!!

You OK there, dude? That's the second post from you in as many threads that I've seen with the same content...

TheDoLittle · 6th August 2007, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Zep

Also, it's not my idea. I cheerfully point to TheDoLittle above, who suggested it initially.

FINALLY!! Recognition at last! Thank you!

Thank you!

Quote:

Very true! In actual fact, if Randi and friends were in the front row of her act, they would indeed be putting themselves in her firing line with no chance of a comeback. The audience (such as it is) would be total Sylvia suck-ups, and would not appreciate their presence either. A bad move, I suspect.

I was thinking (which is usually a bad thing) hand out T-shirts to people before the show with the dates "March 6th, 2001" and "September 3rd, 2001" printed with big bold letters, and ask them to wear it during her readings... just to see how long Saliva goes before she would be able to understand the significance of the dates and have those shirts banned.

Locknar · 7th August 2007, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by TheDoLittle

I was thinking (which is usually a bad thing) hand out T-shirts to people before the show with the dates "March 6th, 2001" and "September 3rd, 2001" printed with big bold letters, and ask them to wear it during her readings... just to see how long Saliva goes before she would be able to understand the significance of the dates and have those shirts banned.

Good idea, though I’d suggest something more blatantly obvious…such as “What about Shaw Hornbeck?” or "Take the JREF Challange!"

Zep · 7th August 2007, 06:33 AM

"Shawn Hornbeck Support Group"

"CLAWS!!!"

A picture of Jabba the Hutt.

godless dave · 7th August 2007, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by TheDoLittle

What you do is have Penn & Teller come out to where the people are lining up (if they line up) for Saliva's show and have them not only do a psychic reading with the crowd, but in true P&T style, show everyone how the trick was done.

You win the internet.

The Excalibur is the casino where they do a King Arthur themed stage show, complete with horses and jousting knights (I saw it last here, it's a lot of fun). So the stage will already be primed with horse manure.

31st July 2007, 06:49 AM	#1
SeekingTruth Thinker Join Date: May 2007 Location: In this world Posts: 246	Sylvia Browne in Las Vegas - Fifteen shows in August It appears that SB is not going away easily - if at all. She has now added Las Vegas to her lecture circuit - with 15, yes FIFTEEN, shows scheduled there next month. SYLVIA BROWNE at the EXCALIBUR in LAS VEGAS! Excalibur Hotel Casino is pleased to present "An Evening with Sylvia Browne" this August. Show dates are: August 9-13; August16-20 and August 23-27. All performances take place at 7:30 p.m. in Excalibur's banquet center. General admission tickets, priced at $75 plus tax and fees, are on sale now at the Excalibur box office. Call toll free 1-800-933-1334 for tickets. Tickets are also available at www.excalibur.com In addition the Excalibur is pleased to offer the following hotel room and added value package in August: Stay 2 nights and you'll receive:* $5 off their internet rates Free tan at the spa or free spa admission $10 Free Play when you join the Players club Free appetizer when you purchase an appetizer at Dick's Last Resort Free Tournament of Kings program with the purchase of two show tickets * (This special offer can only be booked online and only available until August 16th.) Wonder if due to her age and health, she's decided to become a fixture in Las Vegas instead of being on the road constantly? Or are these appearances in Las Vegas going to be IN ADDITION to the lectures and Montel appearances. Robert, if you have any "smoking guns" you've been holding back, now might be the time to bring them out because I don't see her going away - I see her expanding. ST

31st July 2007, 07:34 AM	#2
Kelly No Psychics, Please Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Not far enough away from psychic predators Posts: 6,291	I wonder if a concentrated letter writing effort to the Excalibur would help them see the errors of their ways. I would be willing to write to them.
	__________________ It would be wonderful if psychics could find missing people, but they can't. www.stopsylvia.com before she can hurt anyone else.

31st July 2007, 08:03 AM	#3
brodski Tea-Time toad Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 15,159	Originally Posted by Kelly I wonder if a concentrated letter writing effort to the Excalibur would help them see the errors of their ways. I would be willing to write to them. Would a hotel in Vegas really cancel a money making show because some people thought it immoral or exploitative? I’m disgusted by Browne as much as anyone but I think appealing to a casinos sense of decency is a lost cause.
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31st July 2007, 08:25 AM	#5
Kelly No Psychics, Please Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Not far enough away from psychic predators Posts: 6,291	Originally Posted by brodski Would a hotel in Vegas really cancel a money making show because some people thought it immoral or exploitative? I’m disgusted by Browne as much as anyone but I think appealing to a casinos sense of decency is a lost cause. Casino and decency in the same sentence?? I wouldn't expect them to cancel these shows, or think they would, however, what I would hope is that they might think twice about booking more shows. Unfortunately, I am sure that even if they received thousands of complaint letters, they would not cease what they are doing as long as it is a cash cow. The only real hope then would be that Sb wasn't the draw they expected.
	__________________ It would be wonderful if psychics could find missing people, but they can't. www.stopsylvia.com before she can hurt anyone else.

31st July 2007, 10:07 AM	#6
Bri Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,310	Someone should print off a lot of very brief, convincing handouts/flyers and hand them to people going to buy tickets. Perhaps it would persuade some to spend their money on Cirque du Soleil instead. -Bri
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31st July 2007, 08:22 AM	#4
SeekingTruth Thinker Join Date: May 2007 Location: In this world Posts: 246	Originally Posted by brodski I’m disgusted by Browne as much as anyone but I think appealing to a casinos sense of decency is a lost cause. I prefer not to take a defeatist attitude - we won't know if we don't at least try. Kelly, I too will write a letter to the Excaliber - and include the link to www.stopsylvia.com. The Excaliber won't be losing money if they cancel her appearances - they'll just book someone else for that time period - but at least it wouldn't be SB. ST

31st July 2007, 10:27 AM	#7
TheDoLittle Disco King Discombobulator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 1,669	What you do is have Penn & Teller come out to where the people are lining up (if they line up) for Saliva's show and have them not only do a psychic reading with the crowd, but in true P&T style, show everyone how the trick was done. That way the people will begin to get up and walk out in the middle of the show asking themselves "I paid $75 for this?"
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31st July 2007, 10:47 AM	#8
grayman Happy-go-lucky Heretic Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Casa del Whacko Posts: 6,142	What would really fun would be if we could afford to purchase tickets for one entire show and fill the audience with forumites, skeptics, Robert Lancaster, P&T, and of course, our own dear Mr. James Randi. Would she cancel her appearance? Or would we finally get to see that famous headline from the Weekly World News: "Famed Psychic's Head Explodes"?
	__________________ Stupidity is a condition. Ignorance is a choice. - Wiley All great truths begin as blasphemies. - George Bernard Shaw God is evil. As soon as you accept that, it all makes sense. - Sledge

31st July 2007, 11:01 AM	#9
SeekingTruth Thinker Join Date: May 2007 Location: In this world Posts: 246	According to www.excalibur.com the actual ticket price "with tax and fees" is $82.50. They say it's being held in the ballroom....but I can't seem to find how many people the ballroom can seat....whatever it is, it's too many... ST

31st July 2007, 11:05 AM	#10
brodski Tea-Time toad Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 15,159	Originally Posted by SeekingTruth I prefer not to take a defeatist attitude - we won't know if we don't at least try. Kelly, I too will write a letter to the Excaliber - and include the link to www.stopsylvia.com. The Excaliber won't be losing money if they cancel her appearances - they'll just book someone else for that time period - but at least it wouldn't be SB. ST I don't take a defeatist attitude, but I do like to focus my efforts in areas where I may be able to make a difference.
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31st July 2007, 11:26 AM	#11
sinclairmcevoy Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 8,027	I highly doubt if a casino would cancel her show due to outcry from a bunch of skeptics. In fact, there is a lot of energy expended in this forum on the same old stuff. (S.B.) It's getting tiring, like the same old thing for lunch, again. I think that the effort could be spent on other pursuits, much more worthwhile than this wind bag.

31st July 2007, 11:41 AM	#12
SeekingTruth Thinker Join Date: May 2007 Location: In this world Posts: 246	Originally Posted by sinclairmcevoy I highly doubt if a casino would cancel her show due to outcry from a bunch of skeptics. In fact, there is a lot of energy expended in this forum on the same old stuff. (S.B.) It's getting tiring, like the same old thing for lunch, again. I think that the effort could be spent on other pursuits, much more worthwhile than this wind bag. Stoping this wind bag is worthwhile - just ask Shawn Hornbeck's parents or all the other people she's hurt.... and apparently Robert Lancaster thinks it's worthwhile. ST

31st July 2007, 11:44 AM	#13
RSLancastr www.StopSylvia.com Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 15,644	Originally Posted by SeekingTruth It appears that SB is not going away easily - if at all. Oh, ye of little faith (said the agnostic)! Quote: Robert, if you have any "smoking guns" you've been holding back, now might be the time to bring them out because I don't see her going away - I see her expanding. I see her making last-ditch attempts to milk as much out of her career as she can before it ends. Originally Posted by Kelly I wonder if a concentrated letter writing effort to the Excalibur would help them see the errors of their ways. I don't see that as having any effect, Kelly. Originally Posted by Bri Someone should print off a lot of very brief, convincing handouts/flyers and hand them to people going to buy tickets. Perhaps it would persuade some to spend their money on Cirque du Soleil instead. I would imagine that the vast majority of the ticket sales will be done online. Originally Posted by grayman What would really fun would be if we could afford to purchase tickets for one entire show and fill the audience with forumites, skeptics, Robert Lancaster, P&T, and of course, our own dear Mr. James Randi. ... all wearing SSB t-shirts. Originally Posted by sinclairmcevoy I highly doubt if a casino would cancel her show due to outcry from a bunch of skeptics. Agreed. Quote: In fact, there is a lot of energy expended in this forum on the same old stuff. (S.B.) It's getting tiring, like the same old thing for lunch, again. I think that the effort could be spent on other pursuits, much more worthwhile than this wind bag. Then I would suggest that you pick a pursuit which seems worthhile to you, and pursue it with passion and purpose.
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31st July 2007, 11:46 AM	#14
Miss Anthrope All your post are belong to us Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: A Tiny Oasis in the PNW Posts: 3,597	Originally Posted by brodski Would a hotel in Vegas really cancel a money making show because some people thought it immoral or exploitative? I’m disgusted by Browne as much as anyone but I think appealing to a casinos sense of decency is a lost cause. Yup.
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31st July 2007, 12:06 PM	#15
sinclairmcevoy Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 8,027	Sorry if I was misunderstood. RSL does a wonderful service. Any effort to stop this windbag is worthwhile. I guess I'm just about saturated with her b.s. It's like flogging a dead horse. But even a dead horse has value, glue, for instance. Flog away, I'll keep my mouth shut.

31st July 2007, 01:04 PM	#16
SeekingTruth Thinker Join Date: May 2007 Location: In this world Posts: 246	Originally Posted by sinclairmcevoy Sorry if I was misunderstood. RSL does a wonderful service. Any effort to stop this windbag is worthwhile. I guess I'm just about saturated with her b.s. It's like flogging a dead horse. But even a dead horse has value, glue, for instance. Flog away, I'll keep my mouth shut. I don't think any of us are into flogging.... so you're safe I appreciate you coming back and reversing your stand - it takes a big person to do that.... thank you! ST

31st July 2007, 01:04 PM	#17
PastBrowneFan Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 373	I was worried that sinclairmcevoy was going to start a stopstopsylviabrowne website.

31st July 2007, 01:08 PM	#18
PastBrowneFan Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 373	RSL, I too see this as a last minute attempt to make money, grasping at straws, running a trial run to see if they can make money by going to Vegas instead of the lecture circuit. I know that they have had trouble getting enough people to volunteer at her lectures, so maybe RSL's site is making a dent in the SB money machine. I honestly don't see how many people would pay $75+ to see her in Vegas, especially since it is short notice and most people that I know plan out the shows they are going to see well before they get there. We'll just have to wait and see.

31st July 2007, 01:55 PM	#19
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 11,465	Hmmm... It doesn't seem that the casino is too concerned about her "psychic predictive powers"!
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31st July 2007, 02:21 PM	#20
SeekingTruth Thinker Join Date: May 2007 Location: In this world Posts: 246	Originally Posted by PastBrowneFan RSL, I too see this as a last minute attempt to make money, grasping at straws, running a trial run to see if they can make money by going to Vegas instead of the lecture circuit. I know that they have had trouble getting enough people to volunteer at her lectures, so maybe RSL's site is making a dent in the SB money machine. I honestly don't see how many people would pay $75+ to see her in Vegas, especially since it is short notice and most people that I know plan out the shows they are going to see well before they get there. We'll just have to wait and see. I wish I could agree with you PBF, but I think it has more to do with her age (70) and her health (bad hip needing surgery). Spending a month in Vegas will enable her to rest and not spend weeks on airplanes travelling from city to city. 15 appearances in Vegas will make up for 6 month's of lectures - and a whole lot easier on her. She'll still be able to do her 20+ readings each day from the luxurious room she'll no doubt have - comped, I'm sure by the hotel. As for volunteers at her lectures - they seem to do ok getting enough people, especially now that they're putting out the word on GSB where they need volunteers - and from what I've been told, her lectures have all been sell outs. The reason they've been short on volunteers (according to someone who reads at GSB) is because most people would rather spend the money to get seats up front than to have to work part of the lecture. A lot of people heading to Vegas book shows that you have to get tickets for months in advance. Someone spending a week in Vegas may have booked in advance a couple of shows and the rest of their time is open....so I see them filling the seats at SB's "shows" - especially those who have time on their hands and go for the novelty - or because they've heard of her - maybe just to be "entertained". ST

31st July 2007, 02:27 PM	#21
sinclairmcevoy Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 8,027	Originally Posted by PastBrowneFan I was worried that sinclairmcevoy was going to start a stopstopsylviabrowne website. Ha ha ha! That's pretty funny! No worries there. Stopping her is enough.

31st July 2007, 03:37 PM	#22
Boo ts Join Date: May 2003 Location: state of chaos Posts: 3,743	Surely there are enough Randi and skeptic friendly magicians performing in Vegas (P&T to name two) with enough clout to turn a very uncomfortable spotlight on this roach. Boo
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31st July 2007, 04:03 PM	#23
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,935	Originally Posted by SeekingTruth A lot of people heading to Vegas .... especially those who have time on their hands and go for the novelty - or because they've heard of her - maybe just to be "entertained". ST I have never seen a group of people more superstitious than casino gamblers. I expect Excalibur will make a tidy sum on this event.
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31st July 2007, 06:02 PM	#24
Kochanski Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Anonymous Unimportant Place (not a secret Scorpion training facility for Shosuro ninjas) Posts: 2,697	Originally Posted by Ladewig I have never seen a group of people more superstitious than casino gamblers. I expect Excalibur will make a tidy sum on this event. I was thinking the same thing. Seems to me that the SB crowd is the group casinos must like most. As far as the casino is concerned this will just attract more credulous people to Vegas and ones who are likely to see "signs" and "streaks" and drop much bucks in the casino. People who are just sure that their luck will make them win. As venues go, the land of the fake and make-believe that is Vegas is really the ideal one for SB. It is all glitz and show with no substance or reality.
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31st July 2007, 07:23 PM	#25
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	I like the idea of Penn and Teller doing a street psychic routine "Exposed!" right outside the door! A real humdinger, with noise and lights and everything that would gather a street crowd. You can't get much more chaos and attention than Penn on a roll, and he knows it. This would accomplish two things: (1) Make SB's routine look as REALLY tired and lame as it actually is, and (2) get the punters into the casino anyway, which is what *they* want, really.* * Casinos don't care if it's strippers, SB or performing seals (or all three combined). They really want bums on seats in the gaming areas - period.
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1st August 2007, 07:31 AM	#26
angrybeliever Scholar Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 87	An interesting point here also: The casinos use tickets to these shows as comps for the fluid spenders, too. So, the casinos could end up using HER as bait for keeping their gamblers happy...and since the tickets were from them...she wouldn't get that money. Lovely thought. AB
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1st August 2007, 07:37 AM	#27
Locknar Sum of all evils ^tm Deputy Admin Join Date: May 2007 Location: 25.50 N, 77.54 W Posts: 14,490	You'd have to think there are enough skeptics in the Vegas area, that would make these shows interesting to say the least If not for the cost, having Randi, RSL, or say Penn & Teller there in the front row would be a priceless Kodak moment; they would not have to say or do anything...just be there watching.

1st August 2007, 09:31 AM	#28
RSLancastr www.StopSylvia.com Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 15,644	Unfortunately, it is not assigned seating.
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1st August 2007, 09:32 AM	#29
Locknar Sum of all evils ^tm Deputy Admin Join Date: May 2007 Location: 25.50 N, 77.54 W Posts: 14,490	Originally Posted by RSLancastr Unfortunately, it is not assigned seating. In any event, I'm sure you (et all) would not go un-noticed

1st August 2007, 09:43 AM	#30
Skeptic Guy Raccoon Death Squad Leader Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Southeast of Disorder Posts: 6,996	Originally Posted by SeekingTruth I don't think any of us are into flogging.... so you're safe (SNIP) ST Speak for yourself! Originally Posted by Zep I like the idea of Penn and Teller doing a street psychic routine "Exposed!" right outside the door! A real humdinger, with noise and lights and everything that would gather a street crowd. You can't get much more chaos and attention than Penn on a roll, and he knows it. This would accomplish two things: (1) Make SB's routine look as REALLY tired and lame as it actually is, and (2) get the punters into the casino anyway, which is what *they* want, really.* * Casinos don't care if it's strippers, SB or performing seals (or all three combined). They really want bums on seats in the gaming areas - period. Zep, this would be a perfect opportunity for some BS material for P&T. I hope the message gets to them and they try it. Originally Posted by RSLancastr Unfortunately, it is not assigned seating. That means they have to get there extra-special early!
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2nd August 2007, 01:52 PM	#31
angrybeliever Scholar Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 87	The idea of a group of people with the front row occupied by our own RSL, Randi and other such people...just makes my heart flutter with great excitement. Sylvia would crap her depends, especially if everyone was wearing SSB shirts visible just before she came on in her glory. AB
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2nd August 2007, 02:19 PM	#32
Alice Shortcake Muse Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: York, England Posts: 750	Oooh, I wish I could afford to be part of that audience...

2nd August 2007, 04:07 PM	#33
FramerDave Muse Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 727	This may have been said already, but I think Vegas is the perfect venue for someone of her caliber. And the lovely (yeah) Excaliber is the perfect place for her. A great match, though I can' imagine why she'd choose to place herself in such close proximity to Penn and Teller. ETA: Let's look at a letter campaign in a different way. No, it probably would not prompt the hotel to cancel the show. Money, after all, is money. But if they get enough letters they may have to reply. And I would bet that their reply would be that it's for entertainment purposes only. Yeah, it's weaseling out of it, BUT it would force them to admit that she's doing a routine parlor trick, albeit badly. Worthwhile in my opinion.
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2nd August 2007, 09:30 PM	#34
Sylvia Clown New Blood Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 14	Originally Posted by FramerDave And the lovely (yeah) Excaliber is the perfect place for her. A great match, though I can' imagine why she'd choose to place herself in such close proximity to Penn and Teller. Maybe so she can bash them while she's on stage? SYLVIA, ON STAGE IN VEGAS: And I wanna get it clear to everyone that I - I don't wanna name any - any names, but, you know, those two boneheads over at the other casino. So tired of all the magicians who try and refute psychic abilities. We all know better. Yeah, so that's why I'm here so nearby, to tell those "magicians" that I'm not afraid of 'em. I have nothing to be afraid of. I've been psychic for over 60 years, before that my grandmother was psychic, I come from a psychic bloodline, we're all psychic, we've all had the gift, we know it's real. yadda yadda yadda...
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5th August 2007, 12:57 AM	#35
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