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Old 1st August 2007, 11:42 AM   #1
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Five eyewitnesses say they have seen the Loch Ness Monster.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lochness/eyewitness.html

Now you may be thinking, "But eyewitnesses are unreliable". That may be true in many cases, but there are six reasons which make THESE eyewitness reports especially trustworthy:

1) The high level of corroboration from independent accounts.

(we will present 5 separate accounts all corroborating each other while not being contradicted by a single other witness in the entire investigative body of evidence.)

2) The simple exists/doesn't exist nature of their claim.

(They only have to recall whether or not they saw a monster)

3) The perfect vantage point.

(No other witnesses were in a better position to tell on whether or not there is a monster in the lake, than those looking directly at the lake)

4) The high level of credibility of the witnesses themselves.

(I have no idea what this means or what this has to do with anything, but having six reasons sounds so much more convincing than having five.)

5) The fact that their testimony was filmed on location.

(This leaves zero room for misinterpretation of their claims, unless we were to lead them or bias them beforehand)

6) The extreme magnitude of the event being something that is virtually impossible to forget.

(How the heck can you forget the [rule8]ing Loch Ness Monster?)



Despite the fact that repeated scientific and sonar studies searching for the fabled Loch Ness Monster using modern technology have all turned up nothing, that it would be extremely unlikely for an huge beast to live in the lake for as long as it as it has, that if such a huge beast is real, there should be more than five witnesses who have seen it, the eyewitnesses all contradict each other in various ways, and the fact that there is zero non-anecdotal evidence for the creature's existence, I'm sticking with my theory that the Loch Ness Monster is real, because five people said that a long time ago, they saw something that might have been a monster. If you disagree, you are either lying or ignoring the evidence.
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Old 1st August 2007, 11:54 AM   #2
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Tell me, was it swimming to the North of the Citgo?
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Old 1st August 2007, 11:58 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by 1337m4n View Post
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5) The fact that their testimony was filmed on location.

(This leaves zero room for misinterpretation of their claims, unless we were to lead them or bias them beforehand)

...snip
Sure it does. Dead giveaway.
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Old 1st August 2007, 12:08 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by 1337m4n View Post

3) The perfect vantage point.

(No other witnesses were in a better position to tell on whether or not there is a monster in the lake, than those looking directly at the lake)
But did they see Nessie waterskiing, or was this obscured by the trees?

I know there are reports that people have been seen waterskiing on Loch Ness, and it's probable that some of those reports are of Nessie on skis, but the police sequestered the 999 call tapes (for some reason) and the waterskiing Nessie has been discounted by the mainstream media, who obviously want to downplay both the eyewitnesses to the path the monster swam as well as the waterskiing, since this is considered to be a non-story.

We just need to find out who drove the boat and what their connection to the government is.

This could take all night.

And possibly part of tomorrow morning.
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Old 1st August 2007, 12:11 PM   #5
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Surely it's not the Loch Ness Monster, singular?
To survive and manifest all these sightings going back across the centuries, there has to be a whole family of the creatures, right?
Either that, or it's an alien cyborg of devastating proportions*.

*apologies to Dr Who.
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Old 1st August 2007, 12:13 PM   #6
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Filmed by PBS, the same <eerie sounds>government</eerie sounds> funded institution that went into all their affiliates' offices and private homes around the world to destroy the documentary they filmed that proved that C4-coated rebar was used to reinforce the twin towers' concrete core? They are obviously shills for Nessie.
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Old 1st August 2007, 12:19 PM   #7
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Do they include the guys who almost had their truck eaten by Nessie? Or would they have to pay Dodge for the rights for that footage?
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Old 1st August 2007, 12:56 PM   #8
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And now, to definitively prove my theory, I will post images of the five eyewitnesses pointing off in some direction. If pictures of people pointing isn't hard proof, I don't know what is:











Look, they are pointing! That means they CAN'T be wrong!
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Old 1st August 2007, 01:00 PM   #9
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Nessie ate my baby.
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Old 1st August 2007, 01:06 PM   #10
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Only five? I could round up ten or twenty myself.
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Old 1st August 2007, 01:33 PM   #11
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One guy claims to have taken pictures. I'd like to see them.

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1) The high level of corroboration from independent accounts.

(we will present 5 separate accounts all corroborating each other while not being contradicted by a single other witness in the entire investigative body of evidence.)
But they don't corroborate one another, because they weren't looking at the same events. Each one, separately, claims to have seen something in the Loch. The descriptions don't particularly match up. Its color is variously given as "black", "grey-brown", "browns and greens" ...

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2) The simple exists/doesn't exist nature of their claim.

(They only have to recall whether or not they saw a monster)
... or whether they saw something else, which is, y'know, the point of contention.

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3) The perfect vantage point.

(No other witnesses were in a better position to tell on whether or not there is a monster in the lake, than those looking directly at the lake)
You have to be looking at the lake in order to have any vantage point. The perfect vantage point is ten feet away from the monster with a good camera.

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4) The high level of credibility of the witnesses themselves.

(I have no idea what this means or what this has to do with anything, but having six reasons sounds so much more convincing than having five.)
That was engagingly frank.

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5) The fact that their testimony was filmed on location.

(This leaves zero room for misinterpretation of their claims, unless we were to lead them or bias them beforehand)
Well, this proves that they really gave the testimony, granted.

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6) The extreme magnitude of the event being something that is virtually impossible to forget.

(How the heck can you forget the [rule8]ing Loch Ness Monster?)
It does not follow that they'd accurately remember the details of what they saw. You may be aware that a lot of research on the reliability of eyewitnesses has been done by staging a crime right in front of them. This is dramatic enough, and seen at much, much closer range than these "monster sightings", but people still get the details confused.

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BTW, shouldn't this be in GS&TP?
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Old 1st August 2007, 01:36 PM   #12
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Pssst. It's a parody.
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Old 1st August 2007, 01:53 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by Tirdun View Post
Nessie ate my baby.
Nessie ate my dingos!
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Old 1st August 2007, 01:54 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by Slayhamlet View Post
Pssst. It's a parody.
It is? Where's the youtube vid?

Oh and who made the waterskis?
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Old 1st August 2007, 01:55 PM   #15
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So there's me, taking a swim in Loch Ness earlier today, and these daft tourists all start takin' ma photae an' everyhin!?! Whits a' tha' aboot then? It's no like ahm John Smeaton or onyhin!


[Only I'm allowed to make this joke by dint of nationality. And maybe Gravy, given then he plays for Partick Thistle....]
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Old 1st August 2007, 02:10 PM   #16
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Of course, we should ask 'who benefits from this conspiracy?'

The obvious answer would be the scottish tourist and haggis board.

But that's just misdirection.

After literally minutes of research I have discovered two vital pieces of pieces of information.

Firstly, but not necessarily primarily, there is this:

The Program for an Inebriated Scottish Society...or PIS.... well, you can work it out.

In 2004 they published their manifesto online for all to see, in which they stated "Scotland can not expect any attention from the world unless something amazing happens like, oh say....... like a wee beastie being discovered within one of our many pleasant and family friendly lochs"

Suspicious, huh?

Then there was this, from 1378... (October, I believe)...

"och aye, nae wee scrubblers git yer jammies oop ya wee scroogles ya mangy nae prae mae och aey dunna cae ya hae?"

Which has recently been translated by someone called 'Watson' as:

"We propose to overthrow the english before pub opening time by staging a sighting of a monster within one of our pleasant, family friendly lakes"

Suspicious eh?

Wake ooop sheeple!!!
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Old 1st August 2007, 02:28 PM   #17
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"och aye, nae wee scrubblers git yer jammies oop ya wee scroogles ya mangy nae prae mae och aey dunna cae ya hae?"

"Oh yes, no little scribblers get your pyjamas up you little scroggles you mangey no pray wheyhey don't call you have?"





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Originally Posted by Dr Adequate View Post
One guy claims to have taken pictures. I'd like to see them.

But they don't corroborate one another, because they weren't looking at the same events. Each one, separately, claims to have seen something in the Loch. The descriptions don't particularly match up. Its color is variously given as "black", "grey-brown", "browns and greens" ...

... or whether they saw something else, which is, y'know, the point of contention.

You have to be looking at the lake in order to have any vantage point. The perfect vantage point is ten feet away from the monster with a good camera.

That was engagingly frank.

Well, this proves that they really gave the testimony, granted.

It does not follow that they'd accurately remember the details of what they saw. You may be aware that a lot of research on the reliability of eyewitnesses has been done by staging a crime right in front of them. This is dramatic enough, and seen at much, much closer range than these "monster sightings", but people still get the details confused.

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BTW, shouldn't this be in GS&TP?
Ummmmm.. shall you tell him or I?
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Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus View Post
Ummmmm.. shall you tell him or I?
Nah. Let him figure it out himself.
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Originally Posted by Architect View Post
So there's me, taking a swim in Loch Ness earlier today, and these daft tourists all start takin' ma photae an' everyhin!?! Whits a' tha' aboot then? It's no like ahm John Smeaton or onyhin!


[Only I'm allowed to make this joke by dint of nationality. And maybe Gravy, given then he plays for Partick Thistle....]

Oi!! You're not the only one you know. And next time there's a get-together, turn up, why don't you? Excuses such as being totally crippled, bedbound and unable to walk are clear obfuscation.

You can start with Chillzero's birthday party a week on Saturday. Come on, you can't love Kilmarnock so much you never want to leave! I know. I've been there.

Rolfe.
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Old 2nd August 2007, 03:08 PM   #21
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Without photographic proof that "debunkers" could not have possibly seen the Lake (unless they slightly turn their heads which has been proven to be impossible) I have to say: Unproven.
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Oh?

Right, very well.

But ... stop me if I'm wrong ... shouldn't a parody be more funny than the thing it's sending up?

The "Nessie" people seem much much saner than the 9/11 CTs.

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Is it, perhaps, a parody of some specific thread?

I'm afraid I'm still a couple of Twoofers short of a joke. Also, if people are going to explain humor to me, what was the thing about bad grammar and ostrich eggs, I never found out what the joke was.
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Well that is more people than saw AA77 fly over the Pentagon, or who saw the WTC wired for demolition.

Free Nessie!
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Oh?

Right, very well.

But ... stop me if I'm wrong ... shouldn't a parody be more funny than the thing it's sending up?

The "Nessie" people seem much much saner than the 9/11 CTs.

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Is it, perhaps, a parody of some specific thread?

I'm afraid I'm still a couple of Twoofers short of a joke. Also, if people are going to explain humor to me, what was the thing about bad grammar and ostrich eggs, I never found out what the joke was.
Not sure about the ostrich eggs, but the Nessie witnesses thing is a parody of Lyte Trip's "Pentacon" nonsense.
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Nessie ate my dingos!


This thread has now officially become R rated.
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Does it count if i've seen "Champ"?
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I'm afraid I'm still a couple of Twoofers short of a joke. Also, if people are going to explain humor to me, what was the thing about bad grammar and ostrich eggs, I never found out what the joke was.
It was someone in the R&P, with limited English skills (which is fine), and a head full of woo (which is somewhat less than desirable).

Something about the Koran saying the world was an ostrich egg, and this was a miracle. Hokulele is still searching for her nest.

And my dingo ate Nessie!
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http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...ffa8c15f95.gif

This thread has now officially become R rated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingos_ate_my_baby
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Tell me, was it swimming to the North of the Citgo?
Nessie was, without doubt, to the North of the Citgo. Though, i have to correct you Jim. She was not "swimming." Oh no, for that was a sleight of hand. She gracefully hovered over the water.

As of yet, no one understands what purpose this illusion serves. However, we can deduce, at the very least, that ol' nessie is a crafty bugger.
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Oi!! You're not the only one you know. And next time there's a get-together, turn up, why don't you? Excuses such as being totally crippled, bedbound and unable to walk are clear obfuscation.

You can start with Chillzero's birthday party a week on Saturday. Come on, you can't love Kilmarnock so much you never want to leave! I know. I've been there.

Rolfe.


One might suggest that being crippled, bedbound, and unable to walk are more qualifications to play for said burgh's football team!

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