Are billionaires like Ernest Rady from San Diego phony?

[JJR]

Ernest Rady, billionaire, recently made the news when a robber stunned him with a taser in his home. Rady survived, but it was a shocking experience. The question is . . . since he gives some of his money to children's hospitals, is he a nice man? Or is something else going on? Is his "King's Mercy" of table scraps just a way for him to appear a decent human being while stealing from others?

Just something to consider. What makes our society members good or evil? What measure do we use to determine the truth?



"Homer . . . I like kids."

What does he really mean by this statement? The mind boggles.

[JJR]

"Hey Vern! I'm ready to fight . . . going in as an officer and gumming up the works!! Let's stop the commies and smokers of the heathen devil weed, marijuanna!!! Don't want to win or anything though. We need to make money from hellicopters . . . defense contracts . . . but I'm ready to fight!! . . . from a distance . . ."

[fuelair]

No offense, but your point is?

[slingblade]

Originally Posted by JJR

Ernest Rady, billionaire, recently made the news when a robber stunned him with a taser in his home.

I haven't read the article and have never heard of the man.

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Rady survived, but it was a shocking experience.

Oh. How punny.

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The My question is

I thought that needed a bit of clarification.

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. . . since he gives some of his money to children's hospitals, is he a nice man?

Is there an information drought where you are?

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Or is something else going on? Is his "King's Mercy" of table scraps just a way for him to appear a decent human being while stealing from others?

It happens.

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Just something to consider.

Really? Why?

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What makes our society members good or evil?

Beats me. What's your premise?

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What measure do we use to determine the truth?

Like most boys and girls, mine is different from yours. You show me yours, and I might show you mine.

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"Homer . . . I like kids."

What does he really mean by this statement? The mind boggles.

Yes, it does: how do you usually determine what a cartoon character means by a statement you placed in his 2-D mouth, and what could it possibly have to do with the other guy?

and......what about Irene? Tune in tomorrow for another thrilling chapter of "As the Brain Cells Die..."

[JJR]

Originally Posted by fuelair

No offense, but your point is?

Uh . . . I'm obviously implying that Rady has ulterior motives behind his charitable impulses. I'm suggesting that he, and people like him are the root cause of our current situation in the Middle East . . . and they are the cause of a variety of problems in America.

Personally, I think that they should all leave the country. They are against everything that America stands for and wants to accomplish. The way of constant warfare, oppression, and deception (can you say 9/11???) is what the founding fathers were fighting against when they declared independance from England and demanded their right to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness.

Ernest Rady is the enemy, man. Those kids he pretends to love are his human shield, nothing more. If I asked him for some money for, say . . . freeing children from mafia controlled pedophile rings he would laugh in my face.

He'd say he gave at the office, my son. That's his trick, and I'm surprised you can't see through his smoke screen.

[fuelair]

No offense, but without further data this seems just a tad paranoid or anti-wealthy.

[slingblade]

If you get rid of "him and people like him," someone else will just take their places. Nature abhors a vacuum, and when things that suck are removed, she replaces them with things that suck harder.

Originally Posted by JJR

....I'm surprised you can't see through his smoke screen.

I'm surprised you still haven't realized you didn't provide a link to the story.

[JJR]

Originally Posted by fuelair

No offense, but without further data this seems just a tad paranoid or anti-wealthy.

Data?

Um . . . at my old Toastmasters club at the Port of San Diego where I networked with government employees every week (I was the seargeant-at-arms), a lady in the club made a speech about mafia controlled pedophile rings. She has a charity organization set up for this express purpouse.

I don't see Ernest Rady, the lover of children (or is he a child LOVER???) leaping to the defense of these White slaves. Though the mafia has whole neighborhoods of breeders (parents) and slaves (little White girls) . . . folks like Rady happily drink wine and toast their magnificence as the unthinkable occurs just around the corner.

I wonder why?

I myself was raped at age six by the Principal of my school (Toler Elementary, San Diego), and the effect on my life was disasterous. No one was sued for this. I received no compensation . . . not even acknowledgement. Yet another hush up occured . . . and the Principal lived a long and happy life molesting boys.

You're honestly telling ME that nothing shady is going on with these elitist fabulously rich bastards? You're telling me that with the ability to buy anyone and do anything with them . . . they never do??

Is that what you're saying??

[JJR]

Originally Posted by slingblade

If you get rid of "him and people like him," someone else will just take their places. Nature abhors a vacuum, and when things that suck are removed, she replaces them with things that suck harder.

I'm willing to take that chance for the sake of our kids.

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I'm surprised you still haven't realized you didn't provide a link to the story.

Google it. Just type in, "Ernest Rady" and many sites pop up with the complete story. It was also on telivision.

I guess you don't watch the news much.

[SezMe]

JJR, not everyone lives in San Diego and gets the same local news you do. If you want us to understand this story and your connection to it, you'll have to supply some links and some of your own narrative. Without that, this thread resembles a Jackson Pollack painting.

[JJR]

Originally Posted by SezMe

JJR, not everyone lives in San Diego and gets the same local news you do. If you want us to understand this story and your connection to it, you'll have to supply some links and some of your own narrative. Without that, this thread resembles a Jackson Pollack painting.

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By Pauline Repard
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

6:45 a.m. February 7, 2007

LA JOLLA – A gunman pretended to be making a delivery to the home of billionaire businessman Ernest Rady Tuesday only to then tie up the homeowners and a maid with duct tape and ransack the house, police said.
Ernest Rady arrived after his wife and housekeeper had already been taken captive, and was then tied up by the intruder, who also shocked Rady with a stun gun . . . (cont.)


Union-Tribune file photo
Ernest Rady at the June 29, 2006 ceremony announcing his donation of $60 million to what is now the Rady Children's Hospital and Health Center.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...-bn07rady.html

There you go you lazy lump.

[Ryokan]

Yes, all rich people are pedophiles. Why haven't people seen this connection before?!?!

[EvilSmurf]

Originally Posted by JJR

Data?

Um . . . at my old Toastmasters club at the Port of San Diego where I networked with government employees every week (I was the seargeant-at-arms), a lady in the club made a speech about mafia controlled pedophile rings. She has a charity organization set up for this express purpouse.

I don't see Ernest Rady, the lover of children (or is he a child LOVER???) leaping to the defense of these White slaves. Though the mafia has whole neighborhoods of breeders (parents) and slaves (little White girls) . . . folks like Rady happily drink wine and toast their magnificence as the unthinkable occurs just around the corner.

Ah, the myth of "white slavery".

[quixotecoyote]

Eeeek! Rich people!

[timhau]

Originally Posted by quixotecoyote

Eeeek! Rich people!

Rich folks? Yuck. The only way they're going to stop from hating them is to make me one of them.

[SezMe]

Originally Posted by JJR

Uh . . . I'm obviously implying that Rady has ulterior motives behind his charitable impulses.

And what would those "ulterior motives be"?

Originally Posted by JJR

I'm suggesting that he, and people like him are the root cause of our current situation in the Middle East . . . and they are the cause of a variety of problems in America.

Uh, the guy is "a financial services and real estate magnate" (quote from your site). How are such people the "root cause" of our problems in the middle east? Please provide a list of the problems that such people cause in America.

Originally Posted by JJR

Personally, I think that they should all leave the country. They are against everything that America stands for and wants to accomplish. The way of constant warfare, oppression, and deception (can you say 9/11???) <snip>

Please explain how real estate and financial services people are against everything America stands for. How do such people influence warfare policy. "Oppression" of what? How were such people involved in 9/11 deception? What deception?

Originally Posted by JJR

Ernest Rady is the enemy, man. Those kids he pretends to love are his human shield, nothing more. If I asked him for some money for, say . . . freeing children from mafia controlled pedophile rings he would laugh in my face.

What is he shielding himself from?

I have no doubt that he would react to such a request with laughter. So would I. But then I'm not a billionaire so maybe the analogy doesn't help much.

Originally Posted by JJR

He'd say he gave at the office, my son. That's his trick, and I'm surprised you can't see through his smoke screen.

I still do not understand what his smoke screen is supposed to be hiding.

Originally Posted by JJR

Um . . . at my old Toastmasters club at the Port of San Diego where I networked with government employees every week (I was the seargeant-at-arms), a lady in the club made a speech about mafia controlled pedophile rings. She has a charity organization set up for this express purpouse.

Please provide a link to this charity organization.

Originally Posted by JJR

I don't see Ernest Rady, the lover of children (or is he a child LOVER???) leaping to the defense of these White slaves. Though the mafia has whole neighborhoods of breeders (parents) and slaves (little White girls) . . . folks like Rady happily drink wine and toast their magnificence as the unthinkable occurs just around the corner.

What White [sic] slaves? Where are these neighborhoods? Have you told the San Diego police about them?

Originally Posted by JJR

I myself was raped at age six by the Principal of my school (Toler Elementary, San Diego), and the effect on my life was disasterous. No one was sued for this. I received no compensation . . . not even acknowledgement. Yet another hush up occured . . . and the Principal lived a long and happy life molesting boys.

That is very, very sad, JJR. I can understand your anger and frustration. Can you, even at this late date, turn the Principal in to the police. Some very old abuse cases have been resurected in recent years.

But that horrible experience should not be the basis for seeing pedophiles in random news stories. Have you gotten help dealing with your rape? Are you now getting help? If either answer is no, I would strongly encourage you to do so. Nobody, but nobody, should have to deal with child abuse by themselves.

I wish you well and, at the same time, completely reject your inferences based on the news story in the OP.

[slingblade]

Originally Posted by JJR

I guess you don't watch the news much.

Normally, I do. But at the moment, something far more important is taking up most of my time.

[SezMe]

sling, how do you do take care of that important matter and type on a keyboard at the same time? Sounds pretty kinky to me.

[The Painter]

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about mafia controlled pedophile rings

I must have missed that episode of the Sopranos

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this thread resembles a Jackson Pollack painting.

Barbarian

[hgc]

Originally Posted by JJR

Uh . . . I'm obviously implying that Rady has ulterior motives behind his charitable impulses. I'm suggesting that he, and people like him are the root cause of our current situation in the Middle East . . . and they are the cause of a variety of problems in America.
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I just love singular root causes. Makes complicated stuff so easy to understand.

[a.real.girl]

Originally Posted by slingblade

Like most boys and girls, mine is different from yours. You show me yours, and I might show you mine.


and......what about Irene? Tune in tomorrow for another thrilling chapter of "As the Brain Cells Die..."

Love Slingblade. Love her.

You know, I didn't realize that San Diego was such a evil place. Moreso than anywhere else, it would seem. Billionaires here, especially those who are white....well, I shudder to think of all the things they do...

Like Joan Kroc, widow of the guy who created McDonalds...

Or Audrey Geisel, widow of Dr. Seuss....

Or Joan and Irwin Jacobs, founder of Qualcomm...


They contribute millions and millions to the "greater good" in San Diego and across the border, but I never realized it was ALL JUST A SMOKE SCREEN!

Please, they are no more all bad than I am all Chinese, as you can see from my avatar.


-A

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I win this debate.

[slingblade]

Originally Posted by SezMe

sling, how do you do take care of that important matter and type on a keyboard at the same time? Sounds pretty kinky to me.

Oh, you would not believe what sort of trouble we two get into! She wants me to show her how I play WoW. I think, were she a little younger, she'd love it.

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Aw! Thank you, A. I haven't read you for long on the boards, but what I have read, I've enjoyed!

JJR, I have the utmost sympathy for you. I was sexually abused from ages 8 to 14 by, it often seemed, just about every man I came into even the briefest contact with. Apparently, I was a very sexy 8-year-old. I loathe the sexual abuse of children, and the devastation, often silent, it leaves in its wake.

That said, I don't go around imagining every man is a pedophile, and that largely because I don't like other aspects of his life. I read the article you finally liked to: I saw nothing in it, of course, that would indicate what kind of man Rady "really is." Did you really expect us to, and from that?

I had a bit of therapy for my issues, finally. It didn't last nearly long enough, but what little I had really helped. You might want to consider finding someone to talk with about this. Childhood sexual abuse can never be "outgrown," or forgotten. And it isn't even about the sex part, so much as it is about the fact that someone with power over us used it against us, and now we feel locked into learned helplessness. Look, you couldn't help yourself, back then.

You can, however, help yourself now, and by so doing, take your power back.

[JJR]

Republicans are stupid because they give campaign money to idiots and then vote for them. That's all the evidence anyone needs. They tried their best to sell this country, and failed . . . and now they are crying about it instead of making positive changes in their community.

We all know the military acts like a bunch of horny frat boys, and I don't mind people that want to feel safe . . . but when they support the whole war profiteering game and contribute to corruption they become a problem. Not to mention a contradiction.

At any rate, problems must be solved. Rady should contribute to a charity that really saves kids in mortal danger . . . or he is no better than a CANNIBAL.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally Posted by JJR

Republicans are stupid because they give campaign money to idiots and then vote for them.

You realize Democrats do the same thing, right?

[JJR]

Originally Posted by hgc

I just love singular root causes. Makes complicated stuff so easy to understand.

Whut u talkin' 'bout WILLIS???

[slingblade]

Originally Posted by JJR

At any rate, problems must be solved. Rady should contribute to a charity that really saves kids in mortal danger . . . or he is no better than a CANNIBAL.

He did. He contributed to a children's hospital, and "mortal danger" is one of the significant things a hospital is designed to save kids from, if at all possible.

JJR, please. Read what I've advised, and go talk to someone who can help. I really care, and I know it would really do you some good. Please.

[JJR]

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

You realize Democrats do the same thing, right?

I'm not exactly a Democrat. I voted for Arnold Schwarzenegger twice. I'm basically against corruption and incompitence . . . I'm sure that happenes with a party girl Democrat nurse or medical assistant on dope which leads to negligance (and perhaps death) just as a corrupt war profiteer high on personal power destroys a nation through his evil acts . . . while his lapdogs and mercinaries kill indiscriminately for proffit.

Evil is evil.

[JJR]

Originally Posted by slingblade

He did. He contributed to a children's hospital, and "mortal danger" is one of the significant things a hospital is designed to save kids from, if at all possible.

Uh, you don't think growing up in an evil compound of Mafia slaveholders is dangerous?? What happenes if you say the wrong thing, pal? You're property . . . nothing more. Open your eyes. You're just a heartbeat away from being cold meat the whole time.

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JJR, please. Read what I've advised, and go talk to someone who can help. I really care, and I know it would really do you some good. Please.

You know, I honestly would listen to this sort of response . . . if you, and others like you didn't constantly say the same thing (about seeing a doctor) . . . and THEN say, "Then KILL YOURSELF!!!" laughing, and then suggest a few methods going from least to most painful.

As seriously as you take yourself, you must understand that I just can't consider you a serious person when you resort to such theatrics. I mean, sure I'm ********** up because I was molested but so are all the victims of Catholic Priests . . . and they won their lawsuit and got a good settlement.

I'm afraid your attempt at chachter assassination has failed . . . except for the completely stupid who probably don't vote anyway.

[fuelair]

Originally Posted by JJR

Data?

Um . . . at my old Toastmasters club at the Port of San Diego where I networked with government employees every week (I was the seargeant-at-arms), a lady in the club made a speech about mafia controlled pedophile rings. She has a charity organization set up for this express purpouse.

I don't see Ernest Rady, the lover of children (or is he a child LOVER???) leaping to the defense of these White slaves. Though the mafia has whole neighborhoods of breeders (parents) and slaves (little White girls) . . . folks like Rady happily drink wine and toast their magnificence as the unthinkable occurs just around the corner.

I wonder why?

I myself was raped at age six by the Principal of my school (Toler Elementary, San Diego), and the effect on my life was disasterous. No one was sued for this. I received no compensation . . . not even acknowledgement. Yet another hush up occured . . . and the Principal lived a long and happy life molesting boys.

You're honestly telling ME that nothing shady is going on with these elitist fabulously rich bastards? You're telling me that with the ability to buy anyone and do anything with them . . . they never do??

Is that what you're saying??

I have not told you a thing, yet. I have asked for (indirectly) for some evidence of your assumptions - and have seen none so far. I do not recall saying anything about shady or what billionaires do with their money. I also mention that assuming what you say is correct (re:your principal) (and do not even try saying I am calling you a liar - I am not - but without documentation, I cannot assume you are accurate -not my fault or yours - just reality) that does not translate into this billionaire is doing the same thing - and , frankly, although it is a possibility, I have neither heard nor seen evidence of mafia controlled pedophile rings and it is quite possible that the woman in question is a fraud (I am not saying she is - but where is her evidence).

To be more clear, and assuming that all statements you have given as statements are correct (and leaving out all commentary/opinion you gave) this is what we have: As a six year old, you were raped by your principal and nothing was done about it with "disasterous" (not implying anything - do not know how you interpret disasterous) effects on your life. Many years later a billionaire who contributes to "children's hospitals" was attacked in his home. A woman at a club you worked in gave a speech (but no hard data presented here) stating that the mafia has a pedophile supply ring and that she has an organization
that fights it. The aforementioned billionaire does not financially support it.

Additionally, where he supports childrens hospitals, you suggest that this may be because he is a pedophile - and where he has not supported a (no offense) possibly fraudulant organization fighting a mafia controlled pedophile
ring complete with breeders it may be because he is a pedophile.

You also indicate that billionaires are quite probably all dishonest.

Nowhere do you offer proof for any assumptions or statements (proof is documentation from legitimate sources - and you have offered no sources so far that can be quickly checked (articles about Rady and any shady transactions or child assaults - or even the attack, text of speech and research on the woman and her organization, hospitals he supports, evidence that he even knows about the anti-mafia pedophile org., etc).


That is what was meant by my "what's your point" and "further data" comments.

[timhau]

How about this for proof?

[fuelair]

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/t...dophile-rings/

http://judicial-inc.biz/marc_dutroux.htm unclear source/accuracy

http://www.talkaboutalternative.com/...ges/55107.html have to go down a way - does not come up logically

None of these come up as the Mafia (Italian) last one includes military and satanism but also includes the breeder thing. None mentions an organization to help said children of the type stated.

[slingblade]

Originally Posted by JJR

Uh, you don't think growing up in an evil compound of Mafia slaveholders is dangerous?? What happenes if you say the wrong thing, pal? You're property . . . nothing more. Open your eyes. You're just a heartbeat away from being cold meat the whole time.

Well, of course the article you linked mentions none of that. I'm sorry, but there's just no comment to make to this.

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You know, I honestly would listen to this sort of response . . . if you, and others like you didn't constantly say the same thing (about seeing a doctor) . . . and THEN say, "Then KILL YOURSELF!!!" laughing, and then suggest a few methods going from least to most painful.

I have never said that to you, nor anything remotely like it. I just finished an entire year's worth of suicidal thoughts--extreme ones--and I can now say, confidently, that's I hell I wouldn't wish on even my worst enemy. Not even on my abusers, and they are legion.

Aside from that, there's the petty matter of such being firmly against forum rules. I know I have never broken that rule.

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As seriously as you take yourself, you must understand that I just can't consider you a serious person when you resort to such theatrics.

I haven't done so, though. I didn't realize at the time of my first post that you are so hurt, or I wouldn't have been so flip. I apologize. But it's way, way too easy for us to use what's happened to us to get sympathy from others. I tell my stories so people here are aware they're talking to someone who has first-hand experience with certain things. I do it to illustrate empathy, NOT to get sympathy.
Sympathy will never help me get better. Sympathy forms the mud of self-pity, and I really am tired of wallowing there. Aren't you?

WTF, I'm ready to live my life, even if I'm still struggling with the hows and the whys. Aren't you?

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I mean, sure I'm ********** up because I was molested but so are all the victims of Catholic Priests . . . and they won their lawsuit and got a good settlement.

All I got was a greater understanding of pain, but precious few tools to help me make it into something useful.

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I'm afraid your attempt at chachter assassination has failed . . . except for the completely stupid who probably don't vote anyway.

I thought your OP was ranting, superficial, and also a massive full-frontal assault on someone else's character--someone I've never even heard of! I thought then that sauce for the goose ought to be sauce for your gander. I see my error now, and apologize again.

But your pain doesn't justify what you're doing to this man. You're doing far more than just well-poisoning; you are at least skirting the dangerous territory of libel. Think about how what I wrote made you feel, and how you obviously feel you didn't deserve it. I have no idea if this man deserves the same from you, and suggest you refrain, for your own sake.

Please go talk to someone.

[fuelair]

Originally Posted by timhau

How about this for proof?

But he doesn't mention the mafia connection!!!

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally Posted by JJR

I'm not exactly a Democrat. I voted for Arnold Schwarzenegger twice. I'm basically against corruption and incompitence . . . I'm sure that happenes with a party girl Democrat nurse or medical assistant on dope which leads to negligance (and perhaps death) just as a corrupt war profiteer high on personal power destroys a nation through his evil acts . . . while his lapdogs and mercinaries kill indiscriminately for proffit.

Ummmmm.......What????

[JJR]

Originally Posted by fuelair

I have not told you a thing, yet. I have asked for (indirectly) for some evidence of your assumptions - and have seen none so far. I do not recall saying anything about shady or what billionaires do with their money. I also mention that assuming what you say is correct (re:your principal) (and do not even try saying I am calling you a liar - I am not - but without documentation, I cannot assume you are accurate -not my fault or yours - just reality) that does not translate into this billionaire is doing the same thing - and , frankly, although it is a possibility, I have neither heard nor seen evidence of mafia controlled pedophile rings and it is quite possible that the woman in question is a fraud (I am not saying she is - but where is her evidence).

To be more clear, and assuming that all statements you have given as statements are correct (and leaving out all commentary/opinion you gave) this is what we have: As a six year old, you were raped by your principal and nothing was done about it with "disasterous" (not implying anything - do not know how you interpret disasterous) effects on your life. Many years later a billionaire who contributes to "children's hospitals" was attacked in his home. A woman at a club you worked in gave a speech (but no hard data presented here) stating that the mafia has a pedophile supply ring and that she has an organization
that fights it. The aforementioned billionaire does not financially support it.

Additionally, where he supports childrens hospitals, you suggest that this may be because he is a pedophile - and where he has not supported a (no offense) possibly fraudulant organization fighting a mafia controlled pedophile
ring complete with breeders it may be because he is a pedophile.

You also indicate that billionaires are quite probably all dishonest.

Nowhere do you offer proof for any assumptions or statements (proof is documentation from legitimate sources - and you have offered no sources so far that can be quickly checked (articles about Rady and any shady transactions or child assaults - or even the attack, text of speech and research on the woman and her organization, hospitals he supports, evidence that he even knows about the anti-mafia pedophile org., etc).


That is what was meant by my "what's your point" and "further data" comments.

Good point in there somewhere. No, I do not have a picture or video of this guy having sex with kids. I never said that he does that directly . . . just that his negligence contributes to it, destroying his immage of a kind man who loves kids.

I know how they operate, though. If he is a pedo, he has one or more family types with a kid or two that he uses. Wouldn't be hard to trace that down . . . using even primitive steak out methods . . . although you could certainly be accused of stalking for doing so . . . so I am not reccomending that anyone do that. Hey, that would be illegal and I'm just making a point.

As for the Mafia neighborhoods . . . typically, they have people living there who work for them and the kids play outside. The John picks one, and the deal is sealed. They controll whole apartment complexes . . . huge ones with about 20 houses.

It's pretty gross, man . . . and I'm socially liberal.

[JJR]

Originally Posted by slingblade

But your pain doesn't justify what you're doing to this man. You're doing far more than just well-poisoning; you are at least skirting the dangerous territory of libel. Think about how what I wrote made you feel, and how you obviously feel you didn't deserve it. I have no idea if this man deserves the same from you, and suggest you refrain, for your own sake.

Please go talk to someone.

I'm not accusing Rady of anything other than indifference. You are reading too much into my text.

Take a step back. Inhale and exhale.

[JJR]

Originally Posted by fuelair

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/t...dophile-rings/

http://judicial-inc.biz/marc_dutroux.htm unclear source/accuracy

http://www.talkaboutalternative.com/...ges/55107.html have to go down a way - does not come up logically

None of these come up as the Mafia (Italian) last one includes military and satanism but also includes the breeder thing. None mentions an organization to help said children of the type stated.

If you can believe the first link, that pedophile rings are being used by the rich and the powerful of Mexico, then you can believe it is happening in the United States.

[JJR]

Originally Posted by Ryokan

Yes, all rich people are pedophiles. Why haven't people seen this connection before?!?!

I never said that directly, so your refuting of a statement that was not made is silly. You are a silly person, but sometimes silly is good.

[fuelair]

Originally Posted by JJR

If you can believe the first link, that pedophile rings are being used by the rich and the powerful of Mexico, then you can believe it is happening in the United States.

I do not believe I said it is not happening in the US - as a matter of fact, it probably is. My argument is specifically Mafia run, breeding "factories" not supported - and the only source I could locate (the last I gave) is suspicious as all get out as factual - and is not Mafia.

And we still have no link to the speechmaking woman or to her organization - not even - unless I have missed something - its' name. (hint)