Happy Mars Day

Paul Bethke · 28th August 2003, 01:41 AM

This is a good day for blinding –9:30 PM Eastern Time Thursday is the set time.
I hope everyone is ready?

The effect of going blind will not cause any pain—and I advise people not to panic.
In the event of anyone driving a car or any other vehicle—just pull over to the side as your eyes begin to mist up. Then of coarse you must put your hazard lights on.

Explaining your situation to a police officer could be difficult—but in time they will believe you when everyone else is found.

All people on the LIST can PM me and I will contact you in due time.
Afterwards we can discuss the idiotic beliefs of Athiests.

Regards
Paul

UnrepentantSinner · 28th August 2003, 01:53 AM

Ugh, I can't believe I'm doing this... but I'm not sure I'm on the list despite asking to be so last year. If not, can you add me to it and pencil me in.

Thanking you in advance,
US

Ipecac · 28th August 2003, 07:07 AM

Phew! Thanks for the warning, Paul. I was all ready to panic.

RonSceptic · 28th August 2003, 08:42 AM

Hi Paul,

Do you have the strength of your convictions yet? How about our little wager?

Let me remind you. We both send $1,000 to Linda. If the blinding happens on the agreed day my $1,000 goes to a charity of your choice, and you get your cash back. If the blinding does not happen your cash goes to the JREF and I get my cash back.

How about it?

Edited to add 'on the agreed day'

alfaniner · 28th August 2003, 08:48 AM

You wanna tell him? Or should I?

RonSceptic · 28th August 2003, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by alfaniner
You wanna tell him? Or should I?

Place your bets....

Shall we have a competition to guess the excuse?

Hexxenhammer · 28th August 2003, 09:03 AM

Is this guy for real? I've seen some references to him but haven't seen any posts. He really thinks he can blind people with the power of god?

Starrman · 28th August 2003, 09:06 AM

Is it too late to be on the list? I wanna be part of this historical event too!

RonSceptic · 28th August 2003, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hexxenhammer
Is this guy for real? I've seen some references to him but haven't seen any posts. He really thinks he can blind people with the power of god?

Yup. He even tells us the exact date and time of the blindings. I think some six dates have come and gone so far.

Watch out for a few posts full of biblical quotations. He may be not be very good at predicting mass blindings, but he's great at cut and paste.

Starrman · 28th August 2003, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Afterwards we can discuss the idiotic beliefs of Athiests.

Heh, heh - you said 'beliefs of Atheists'.

RonSceptic · 28th August 2003, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Starrman

Heh, heh - you said 'beliefs of Atheists'.

No he didn't. He said 'beliefs of Athiests'

Starrman · 28th August 2003, 10:20 AM

Quote:

No he didn't. He said 'beliefs of Athiests'

Ah - he did spell that wrong. Maybe he isn't going to blind us at 9:30 after all, maybe his going to bind us. Beware of large deliveries of cheese this evening.

Paul Bethke · 28th August 2003, 10:43 AM

Hello RonSceptic
Quote
Do you have the strength of your convictions yet? How about our little wager?

Let me remind you. We both send $1,000 to Linda. If the blinding happens on the agreed day my $1,000 goes to a charity of your choice, and you get your cash back. If the blinding does not happen your cash goes to the JREF and I get my cash back.

How about it?

Reply

What is a $1,000 when I will be getting $1million?

Cheers
Paul

TLN · 28th August 2003, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Do you have the strength of your convictions yet? How about our little wager?

Paul, we all know you cannot be trusted with a wager. You're dishonest. Observe:

Quote:

Originally posted by TLN:
Care to make a wager on that?
If Randi and co. are blind by the end of February 28th I'll devote my life to Christ.
If Randi and co. are not blind by the end of February 28th you'll leave this forum and never post here again.
Do we have a deal, or is your faith waning?

Quote:

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
OK I Paul Bethke agree to the above

Quote:

Originally posted by TLN:
Okay Paul, you weasled out of our bet. You're posting after you promised not to. Care to try again? I'll keep the language more specific this time to avoid confusion.

If Randi and co. are blind by 9:30 PM Eastern Standard Time on March 7th, 2002, I'll devote my life to Christ.

If Randi and co. are not blind by 9:30 PM Eastern Standard Time on March 7th, 2002, you leave these forums and never post here ever again.

The wager is not dependant on you watching tonight's broadcast. When the time passes, Randi and co. are either blind or they're not. You will not offer any excuses. If they're blind, I devote my life to Christ and if they're not you leave and never return. Not for a farewell post, not for another "date," not for anything. Is this clear enough?

Surely you have enough faith for this simple wager.

You then accepted this second wager here:

Quote:

Originally posted by Paul Bethke:
OK no excuses. No reasons. Nothing.

Yet, here you are, still posting after you promised not to.

Paul, are God's messengers always liars?

Paul Bethke · 28th August 2003, 11:39 AM

Hi Ted
Quote
Yet, here you are, still posting after you promised not to.

Paul, are God's messengers always liars?

Reply
We do sometimes give indirect replies---BUT the intention is not to deceive but to delay.
Not everything works out as planned—Never the less we do keep our word to carry out what is predicted.

In the light of such an achievement as this, I feel justified in changing my mind.

The delay of Jesus returning to this earth as predicted has been retarded by mans activity---BUT if we fail we try again and again and again until we have succeed.

This time the follow up will be far greater than last intended.

Cheers
Paul

TLN · 28th August 2003, 11:49 AM

Paul, try and follow along, okay?

You made a promise. You welched on your promise. Therefore, you are a liar and not to be trusted.

Why should anyone here care anything about what you have to say?

Hexxenhammer · 28th August 2003, 01:13 PM

I want on this list. Blind me too. I'll be sitting on my couch in Golden Valley, Minnesota watching cartoons at 9:30PM Eastern. If I can't see Dexter anymore, I'll have my wife dictate a response on this thread saying I'm blind.

jj · 28th August 2003, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
This is a good day for blinding –9:30 PM Eastern Time Thursday is the set time.
I hope everyone is ready?

The effect of going blind will not cause any pain—and I advise people not to panic.
In the event of anyone driving a car or any other vehicle—just pull over to the side as your eyes begin to mist up. Then of coarse you must put your hazard lights on.

Explaining your situation to a police officer could be difficult—but in time they will believe you when everyone else is found.

All people on the LIST can PM me and I will contact you in due time.
Afterwards we can discuss the idiotic beliefs of Athiests.

Regards
Paul

Paul,

Please get psychiatric treatment soon.

JJ

BNiles · 28th August 2003, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paul Bethke

Not everything works out as planned—Never the less we do keep our word to carry out what is predicted.
...
The delay of Jesus returning to this earth as predicted has been retarded by mans activity

So God's plan doesn't always work?
Who's we and why are you all carrying out a "prediction"? One carries out an order, while one observes a prediction.

How can man's activity (of free will) retard a prediction by God? Isn't God infallible? If so, how did God make a wrong prediction? Wouldn't God have known of man's "retarding" activity, and thus predicted correctly?

You have 2 choices:
1.) You’re telling the truth, but God is fallible.
2.) God is infallible, but you’re lying.

Which is it?

Starrman · 28th August 2003, 01:54 PM

Choice 3:

There is no god, and this guy is nuts.

SRW · 28th August 2003, 02:32 PM

Am I on the list? If so can I get an extension, at 9:30EST I will be on the freeway, could we make it 9:45? that way I'll be safely home watching the Simpsons.

Thanks ever some much Paul Tootles

Torlack · 28th August 2003, 04:39 PM

OMG, PAUL!!!

It has been a long boring day at work. Thanks Paul, I need that laugh.

Hexxenhammer · 28th August 2003, 07:54 PM

It's 11:00 EST. Everyone must be blind. They couldn't find their way to their computers to type anything.

ImpyTimpy · 28th August 2003, 08:58 PM

I HAVE BEEN BLINDED! EVEN THOUGH I DON'T THINK I WAS ON THAT DARN LIST, I HAVE BEEN STRUCK BLIND! I BELIEVE!! LORD I GIVE MY...

oh wait, lights were off.. carry on..

Paul Bethke · 29th August 2003, 03:13 AM

Hello Again Ted OLE man
Quote
Paul, try and follow along, okay?

You made a promise. You welched on your promise. Therefore, you are a liar and not to be trusted.

Why should anyone here care anything about what you have to say?

Reply
Well according to you I am a liar---I said if Randi & Co were not blinded at a certain date I would never Post here Again---Well that is what I said ---BUT I have changed my mind—Is that so terrible?

When what I predict comes true people will listen to what I have to say---UNTIL then----I will just waffle on UNTIL!

Regards
Paul

RonSceptic · 29th August 2003, 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paul Bethke

When what I predict comes true people will listen to what I have to say---UNTIL then----I will just waffle on UNTIL!

Thanks for the warning

juninho · 29th August 2003, 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paul Bethke

Reply
Well according to you I am a liar---I said if Randi & Co were not blinded at a certain date I would never Post here Again---Well that is what I said ---BUT I have changed my mind—Is that so terrible?

When what I predict comes true people will listen to what I have to say---UNTIL then----I will just waffle on UNTIL!

Regards
Paul

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Paul Bethke · 29th August 2003, 03:45 AM

Hello Bniles

Quote
So God's plan doesn't always work?
Who's we and why are you all carrying out a "prediction"? One carries out an order, while one observes a prediction.

How can man's activity (of free will) retard a prediction by God? Isn't God infallible? If so, how did God make a wrong prediction? Wouldn't God have known of man's "retarding" activity, and thus predicted correctly?

You have 2 choices:
1.) You’re telling the truth, but God is fallible.
2.) God is infallible, but you’re lying.

Which is it?

Reply
Now I do admit that you are a thinking person to have made the above statement.

The first thing that is necessary to answer what you have stated is to have first hand knowledge of how GOD reacts and responds.

Secondly which God are we talking about?

I am talking about the GOD of Israel who revealed Himself through the Bible the sixty-six books of Scripture.

Quote
You have 2 choices:
1.) You’re telling the truth, but God is fallible.
2.) God is infallible, but you’re lying.

Reply
GOD as He has revealed Himself is perfect in His ways---
BUT man has the ability to ignore what GOD requires---For example GOD gave us His Commands and told us to obey them—

BUT as you know these Commands are ignored.
There fore GOD CAN NOT force man to keep these Commands-----Does that make GOD fallible?

By keeping the Commands of GOD a person qualifies to live in His Presence.
By ignoring His Command one chooses to go to HELL.

So the choice is mans---If he chooses to obey or disobey, GOD cannot be held responsible for this---Although GOD has done everything that can be done to prevent man from going to HELL

Throughout Scripture it can be seen how man retards the plans of GOD---BUT eventually GOD finds a man to fulfil His purpose regardless.

The purpose of my prediction is to bring mans attention to the Scriptures to show him what must still take place.

Keep well
Paul

28th August 2003, 01:41 AM	#1
Paul Bethke Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cape Town South Africa Posts: 2,595	Happy Mars Day This is a good day for blinding –9:30 PM Eastern Time Thursday is the set time. I hope everyone is ready? The effect of going blind will not cause any pain—and I advise people not to panic. In the event of anyone driving a car or any other vehicle—just pull over to the side as your eyes begin to mist up. Then of coarse you must put your hazard lights on. Explaining your situation to a police officer could be difficult—but in time they will believe you when everyone else is found. All people on the LIST can PM me and I will contact you in due time. Afterwards we can discuss the idiotic beliefs of Athiests. Regards Paul
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28th August 2003, 01:53 AM	#2
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28th August 2003, 07:07 AM	#3
Ipecac Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,852	Phew! Thanks for the warning, Paul. I was all ready to panic.
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28th August 2003, 08:42 AM	#4
RonSceptic Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 514	Hi Paul, Do you have the strength of your convictions yet? How about our little wager? Let me remind you. We both send $1,000 to Linda. If the blinding happens on the agreed day my $1,000 goes to a charity of your choice, and you get your cash back. If the blinding does not happen your cash goes to the JREF and I get my cash back. How about it? Edited to add 'on the agreed day'
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28th August 2003, 08:52 AM	#6
RonSceptic Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 514	Quote: Originally posted by alfaniner You wanna tell him? Or should I? Place your bets.... Shall we have a competition to guess the excuse?
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28th August 2003, 08:48 AM	#5
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 11,382	You wanna tell him? Or should I?

28th August 2003, 09:03 AM	#7
Hexxenhammer Malleus Malefactorum Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,124	Is this guy for real? I've seen some references to him but haven't seen any posts. He really thinks he can blind people with the power of god?
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28th August 2003, 09:06 AM	#8
Starrman Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,173	Paul Is it too late to be on the list? I wanna be part of this historical event too!
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28th August 2003, 09:07 AM	#9
RonSceptic Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 514	Quote: Originally posted by Hexxenhammer Is this guy for real? I've seen some references to him but haven't seen any posts. He really thinks he can blind people with the power of god? Yup. He even tells us the exact date and time of the blindings. I think some six dates have come and gone so far. Watch out for a few posts full of biblical quotations. He may be not be very good at predicting mass blindings, but he's great at cut and paste.
RonSceptic Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 514	__________________ "HOMEOPATHY IS IMPOSSIBLE" - Conclusion of the BBC Horizon Program 26/11/02 on failing $1million JREF Challenge.

28th August 2003, 09:12 AM	#10
Starrman Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,173	Quote: Afterwards we can discuss the idiotic beliefs of Athiests. Heh, heh - you said 'beliefs of Atheists'.
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28th August 2003, 09:18 AM	#11
RonSceptic Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 514	Quote: Originally posted by Starrman Heh, heh - you said 'beliefs of Atheists'. No he didn't. He said 'beliefs of Athiests'
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28th August 2003, 10:20 AM	#12
Starrman Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,173	Quote: No he didn't. He said 'beliefs of Athiests' Ah - he did spell that wrong. Maybe he isn't going to blind us at 9:30 after all, maybe his going to bind us. Beware of large deliveries of cheese this evening.
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28th August 2003, 10:43 AM	#13
Paul Bethke Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cape Town South Africa Posts: 2,595	Hello RonSceptic Quote Do you have the strength of your convictions yet? How about our little wager? Let me remind you. We both send $1,000 to Linda. If the blinding happens on the agreed day my $1,000 goes to a charity of your choice, and you get your cash back. If the blinding does not happen your cash goes to the JREF and I get my cash back. How about it? Reply What is a $1,000 when I will be getting $1million? Cheers Paul
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28th August 2003, 10:52 AM	#14
TLN Curmudgeon Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 1,902	Quote: Originally posted by Paul Bethke Do you have the strength of your convictions yet? How about our little wager? Paul, we all know you cannot be trusted with a wager. You're dishonest. Observe: Quote: Originally posted by TLN: Care to make a wager on that? If Randi and co. are blind by the end of February 28th I'll devote my life to Christ. If Randi and co. are not blind by the end of February 28th you'll leave this forum and never post here again. Do we have a deal, or is your faith waning? Quote: Originally posted by Paul Bethke OK I Paul Bethke agree to the above Quote: Originally posted by TLN: Okay Paul, you weasled out of our bet. You're posting after you promised not to. Care to try again? I'll keep the language more specific this time to avoid confusion. If Randi and co. are blind by 9:30 PM Eastern Standard Time on March 7th, 2002, I'll devote my life to Christ. If Randi and co. are not blind by 9:30 PM Eastern Standard Time on March 7th, 2002, you leave these forums and never post here ever again. The wager is not dependant on you watching tonight's broadcast. When the time passes, Randi and co. are either blind or they're not. You will not offer any excuses. If they're blind, I devote my life to Christ and if they're not you leave and never return. Not for a farewell post, not for another "date," not for anything. Is this clear enough? Surely you have enough faith for this simple wager. You then accepted this second wager here: Quote: Originally posted by Paul Bethke: OK no excuses. No reasons. Nothing. Yet, here you are, still posting after you promised not to. Paul, are God's messengers always liars?
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28th August 2003, 11:39 AM	#15
Paul Bethke Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cape Town South Africa Posts: 2,595	Hi Ted Quote Yet, here you are, still posting after you promised not to. Paul, are God's messengers always liars? Reply We do sometimes give indirect replies---BUT the intention is not to deceive but to delay. Not everything works out as planned—Never the less we do keep our word to carry out what is predicted. In the light of such an achievement as this, I feel justified in changing my mind. The delay of Jesus returning to this earth as predicted has been retarded by mans activity---BUT if we fail we try again and again and again until we have succeed. This time the follow up will be far greater than last intended. Cheers Paul
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28th August 2003, 11:49 AM	#16
TLN Curmudgeon Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 1,902	Paul, try and follow along, okay? You made a promise. You welched on your promise. Therefore, you are a liar and not to be trusted. Why should anyone here care anything about what you have to say?
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28th August 2003, 01:13 PM	#17
Hexxenhammer Malleus Malefactorum Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,124	I want on this list. Blind me too. I'll be sitting on my couch in Golden Valley, Minnesota watching cartoons at 9:30PM Eastern. If I can't see Dexter anymore, I'll have my wife dictate a response on this thread saying I'm blind.
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28th August 2003, 01:14 PM	#18
jj grumpy old skeptic Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Deep in the rain Posts: 18,503	Re: Happy Mars Day Quote: Originally posted by Paul Bethke This is a good day for blinding –9:30 PM Eastern Time Thursday is the set time. I hope everyone is ready? The effect of going blind will not cause any pain—and I advise people not to panic. In the event of anyone driving a car or any other vehicle—just pull over to the side as your eyes begin to mist up. Then of coarse you must put your hazard lights on. Explaining your situation to a police officer could be difficult—but in time they will believe you when everyone else is found. All people on the LIST can PM me and I will contact you in due time. Afterwards we can discuss the idiotic beliefs of Athiests. Regards Paul Paul, Please get psychiatric treatment soon. JJ
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28th August 2003, 01:53 PM	#19
BNiles Critical Thinker Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 284	Quote: Originally posted by Paul Bethke Not everything works out as planned—Never the less we do keep our word to carry out what is predicted. ... The delay of Jesus returning to this earth as predicted has been retarded by mans activity So God's plan doesn't always work? Who's we and why are you all carrying out a "prediction"? One carries out an order, while one observes a prediction. How can man's activity (of free will) retard a prediction by God? Isn't God infallible? If so, how did God make a wrong prediction? Wouldn't God have known of man's "retarding" activity, and thus predicted correctly? You have 2 choices: 1.) You’re telling the truth, but God is fallible. 2.) God is infallible, but you’re lying. Which is it?
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28th August 2003, 01:54 PM	#20
Starrman Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,173	Choice 3: There is no god, and this guy is nuts.
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28th August 2003, 02:32 PM	#21
SRW Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 2,901	Am I on the list? If so can I get an extension, at 9:30EST I will be on the freeway, could we make it 9:45? that way I'll be safely home watching the Simpsons. Thanks ever some much Paul Tootles
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28th August 2003, 04:39 PM	#22
Torlack Thinker Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 130	OMG, PAUL!!! It has been a long boring day at work. Thanks Paul, I need that laugh.
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28th August 2003, 07:54 PM	#23
Hexxenhammer Malleus Malefactorum Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,124	It's 11:00 EST. Everyone must be blind. They couldn't find their way to their computers to type anything.
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28th August 2003, 08:58 PM	#24
ImpyTimpy Muse Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 803	I HAVE BEEN BLINDED! EVEN THOUGH I DON'T THINK I WAS ON THAT DARN LIST, I HAVE BEEN STRUCK BLIND! I BELIEVE!! LORD I GIVE MY... oh wait, lights were off.. carry on..
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29th August 2003, 03:13 AM	#25
Paul Bethke Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cape Town South Africa Posts: 2,595	Hello Again Ted OLE man Quote Paul, try and follow along, okay? You made a promise. You welched on your promise. Therefore, you are a liar and not to be trusted. Why should anyone here care anything about what you have to say? Reply Well according to you I am a liar---I said if Randi & Co were not blinded at a certain date I would never Post here Again---Well that is what I said ---BUT I have changed my mind—Is that so terrible? When what I predict comes true people will listen to what I have to say---UNTIL then----I will just waffle on UNTIL! Regards Paul
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29th August 2003, 03:17 AM	#26
RonSceptic Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 514	Quote: Originally posted by Paul Bethke When what I predict comes true people will listen to what I have to say---UNTIL then----I will just waffle on UNTIL! Thanks for the warning
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29th August 2003, 03:22 AM	#27
juninho Thinker Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oop North Posts: 182	Quote: Originally posted by Paul Bethke Reply Well according to you I am a liar---I said if Randi & Co were not blinded at a certain date I would never Post here Again---Well that is what I said ---BUT I have changed my mind—Is that so terrible? When what I predict comes true people will listen to what I have to say---UNTIL then----I will just waffle on UNTIL! Regards Paul Warning! It is inadvisable to feed trolls. They are best left to wither and die.
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29th August 2003, 03:45 AM	#28
Paul Bethke Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cape Town South Africa Posts: 2,595	Hello Bniles Quote So God's plan doesn't always work? Who's we and why are you all carrying out a "prediction"? One carries out an order, while one observes a prediction. How can man's activity (of free will) retard a prediction by God? Isn't God infallible? If so, how did God make a wrong prediction? Wouldn't God have known of man's "retarding" activity, and thus predicted correctly? You have 2 choices: 1.) You’re telling the truth, but God is fallible. 2.) God is infallible, but you’re lying. Which is it? Reply Now I do admit that you are a thinking person to have made the above statement. The first thing that is necessary to answer what you have stated is to have first hand knowledge of how GOD reacts and responds. Secondly which God are we talking about? I am talking about the GOD of Israel who revealed Himself through the Bible the sixty-six books of Scripture. Quote You have 2 choices: 1.) You’re telling the truth, but God is fallible. 2.) God is infallible, but you’re lying. Reply GOD as He has revealed Himself is perfect in His ways--- BUT man has the ability to ignore what GOD requires---For example GOD gave us His Commands and told us to obey them— BUT as you know these Commands are ignored. There fore GOD CAN NOT force man to keep these Commands-----Does that make GOD fallible? By keeping the Commands of GOD a person qualifies to live in His Presence. By ignoring His Command one chooses to go to HELL. So the choice is mans---If he chooses to obey or disobey, GOD cannot be held responsible for this---Although GOD has done everything that can be done to prevent man from going to HELL Throughout Scripture it can be seen how man retards the plans of GOD---BUT eventually GOD finds a man to fulfil His purpose regardless. The purpose of my prediction is to bring mans attention to the Scriptures to show him what must still take place. Keep well Paul
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