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Nie Trink Wasser · 28th August 2003, 11:11 AM

what IS it with loud-mouthed, jacka_s liberals ?

they can't seem to write their own books AND they can't seem to actually READ the books they critique......strange lot of fools they are.

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USED OFFICIAL UNIVERSITY LETTERHEAD IN CRANK LETTER TO ATTORNEY GENERAL ASHCROFT...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/frankenabs1.html

Al Franken In Sorry State
Comedian apologizes to Ashcroft for "imprudent attempt at satire"
AUGUST 20--Comedian Al Franken last month wrote an apology letter to Attorney General John Ashcroft, admitting that he was not truthful when he previously sought Ashcroft's views on abstinence.
....
Franken's missive, written on letterhead from Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government, claimed that he had already received abstinence stories from other prominent Republicans, including Condoleezza Rice and Senator Rick Santorum. However, in his July 11 apology, Franken admitted that he had not received those abstinence stories and called his solicitation to Ashcroft, "an imprudent attempt at satire."

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author 'given' 14 Harvard assistants to research anti-Right Wing Media book...

""Lies" contains lots of citations and statistics because Franken, during a fellowship this year at Harvard's Shorenstein press center, was given 14 research assistants to help him scour the media archives. Critics will undoubtedly find it as selective as the conservative books (by Ann Coulter and Bernard Goldberg, among others) that he skewers. "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Aug27.html

Upchurch · 28th August 2003, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
author 'given' 14 Harvard assistants to research anti-Right Wing Media book...

I'm curious. How does having help in researching the book equal him not actually writing the book, in your opinion?

Ziggurat · 28th August 2003, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
what IS it with loud-mouthed, jacka_s liberals ?

I don't know, what is it with loud-mouthed, jacka_s conservatives? You can speak with authority on that question.

Nie Trink Wasser · 28th August 2003, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Upchurch
I'm curious. How does having help in researching the book equal him not actually writing the book, in your opinion?

when one goes to "write" a book, they also may research while writing such a book.When one cannot even do their own research and rely on others to supply the content for the book, it's LAME.

Hillary Clinton 5 ghostwriter LAME.

Silicon · 28th August 2003, 11:37 AM

Nie trink wasser doesn't even READ Franken's book + perpetual troll.

Franken describes the entire research project in full IN the book.

The researchers are characters in the book. Their pictures and biographies are in the book.

You, however, are a troll.

Nie Trink Wasser · 28th August 2003, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Silicon
Nie trink wasser doesn't even READ Franken's book + perpetual troll.

Franken describes the entire research project in full IN the book.

The researchers are characters in the book. Their pictures and biographies are in the book.

You, however, are a troll.

wow...seems like a creative waste of space.

Ive read parts of the book and I dont claim to have read the entire book.......and if you've noticed I havent claimed to have read the book.

why does he waste so much space talking about his credentials and dedicating space to the people who researched the book, when he could supposedly be "tearing down" those lying evil conservatives.....

from everything Ive read he fails to do it, again.

just make more of a jackass of himself for "comic" relief....if you find things like that funny.

Tricky · 28th August 2003, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
when one goes to "write" a book, they also may research while writing such a book.When one cannot even do their own research and rely on others to supply the content for the book, it's LAME.

Oh please please please tell me you think that Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly don't use research assistants. It will be such a pleasure to make you look like a hypocritical fool.

The only difference is, Al Franken gives his assistants credit.

hgc · 28th August 2003, 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser

wow...seems like a creative waste of space.

Ive read parts of the book and I dont claim to have read the entire book.......and if you've noticed I havent claimed to have read the book.

why does he waste so much space talking about his credentials and dedicating space to the people who researched the book, when he could supposedly be "tearing down" those lying evil conservatives.....

from everything Ive read he fails to do it, again.

just make more of a jackass of himself for "comic" relief....if you find things like that funny.

This concept may be a big step up from the "see Dick run" kind of books you're used to, but a book can be about multiple, related topics, e.g., lying conservatives AND the process of doing the research about lying conservatives. You think that second topic is a waste of space, but you probably think that about the whole book anyway, so who cares?

Crossbow · 28th August 2003, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser

when one goes to "write" a book, they also may research while writing such a book.When one cannot even do their own research and rely on others to supply the content for the book, it's LAME.

Hillary Clinton 5 ghostwriter LAME.

You do not know much about writing non-fiction do you? Boy, if I could afford a staff then I could readily publish the books I want to write.

Non-fiction writing often requires a staff of research assistants to help collect, sort, and double-check the voluminous details that emerge when doing non-fiction writing. Sure, I suppose that a single non-fiction writer could do 100% of their own research, but doing so would make these types of books very expensive and rare.

Just think, for example, if an American historian was writing about ancient Japanese warlords, would you really expect them to travel to Japan, have an in-depth and personal knowledge of Japanese, fighting, shooting, riding, strategy, politics, customs, and so on? All of this would take years and many people simply do not have that much time.

Now then, the writer in question would likely have a good knowledge about one or two of these items but that is about it. However, I would expect them to know where to find this data and to make sure that it is accurate and that is where the staff comes in.

Silicon · 28th August 2003, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by Tricky

Oh please please please tell me you think that Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly don't use research assistants.

You mean Bill O' LIE-ly.

And what's up with that Coulter woman, anyway?

Ziggurat · 28th August 2003, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tricky

Oh please please please tell me you think that Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly don't use research assistants.

Actually, it would not surprise me in the least if Coulter didn't use research assistants. What would she do with one anyways, look up a fact?

Hexxenhammer · 28th August 2003, 12:07 PM

Al Franken is the only loud-mouth jack@$$ the left has, cut him some slack. The right has like, 50 billion loud-mouth jack@$$'s. most of them have their own TV and radio shows.

You get: 1 star.

zakur · 28th August 2003, 12:29 PM

Ann Coulter — Plagiarist

Silicon · 28th August 2003, 12:36 PM

Wow, guess you don't need research assistants when you just plagerize!

jj · 28th August 2003, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ziggurat

I don't know, what is it with loud-mouthed, jacka_s conservatives? You can speak with authority on that question.

Know what? Sometimes I agree with you, Ziggie, and this is one of those times.

jj · 28th August 2003, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tricky

Oh please please please tell me you think that Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly don't use research assistants. It will be such a pleasure to make you look like a hypocritical fool.

The only difference is, Al Franken gives his assistants credit.

Well, sometimes with the stuff they say, I think they haven't done any research at all, but that's a different problem.

Dancing David · 28th August 2003, 12:47 PM

oooo

someone wrote a book and used some people to research it

oooooo

So what?

this is not as interesting as your usual posts NTW.

gnome · 28th August 2003, 01:14 PM

If I may ask, NTW, what's your opinion on the Fox lawsuit against Franken?

A good idea, or a stupid one?

With or without merit?

Nie Trink Wasser · 28th August 2003, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gnome
If I may ask, NTW, what's your opinion on the Fox lawsuit against Franken?

A good idea, or a stupid one?

With or without merit?

I think Fox has a sense of humor about what they're doing in that case.

I also think it's stupid to give a jackass-comic-wannabe like him recognition at all.

Upchurch · 28th August 2003, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by zakur
Ann Coulter — Plagiarist

Nice. Stolen word for word in some cases. Now this is what I would call LAME.

Nie Trink Wasser · 28th August 2003, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Upchurch
Nice. Stolen word for word in some cases. Now this is what I would call LAME.

repeating facts is plagiarism ? Is she supposed to rephrase the fact ?

has anyone ever told you that you look like Booger from Revenge of the Nerds ?

that's your new name Upchurch....Booger.

Upchurch · 28th August 2003, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser

has anyone ever told you that you look like Booger from Revenge of the Nerds ?

*sigh*

you have no grace when you lose an argument, do you?

Nie Trink Wasser · 28th August 2003, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Upchurch
*sigh*

you have no grace when you lose an argument, do you?

you seem to have missed the sentence before I called you Booger, Booger.

Lurker · 28th August 2003, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser

repeating facts is plagiarism ? Is she supposed to rephrase the fact ?

Oh my. It appears someone does not understand the word plagiarism. I better help him out. From Webster's:

to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source
intransitive senses : to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source

Let's see, Coulter used the exact same phrasing, did not credit her source. Yep, sounds like plagiarism to me.

Regardless, did you think the Fox suit had merit, NTW?

Lurker

KelvinG · 28th August 2003, 01:51 PM

As usual NTW, your position is totally distorted by your extremist views.
You obviously have very little pratical knowledge of the process of content creation, especially in a non-fictional realm.

I realize it is your goal to smash the "left-wing crazies" that lurk in the darkness around your house, and perhaps are the source for the voices in your head, but please do a little research before you are so quit to jump to conclusions.

It is becoming increasingly more difficult to take you seriously in any way.
You are nothing more than a yes man in the low end of the right wing progoganda machine that you love so much.
Try opening up your mind for a change instead being the conservative robot you've become.

Nie Trink Wasser · 28th August 2003, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lurker
Oh my. It appears someone does not understand the word plagiarism. I better help him out. From Webster's:

to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source
intransitive senses : to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source

Let's see, Coulter used the exact same phrasing, did not credit her source. Yep, sounds like plagiarism to me.

as with most liberal accusations, Im quite sure there is more to this than is being mentioned in that document and since no one here researches information that could possibly discredit their political views....I'll have to dig it up.

Quote:

Regardless, did you think the Fox suit had merit, NTW?

Lurker [/b]

Do you know the official specifics of the suit ( as officially recorded and not just what is reported by news outlets ) ?

I havent looked at them...just seen the headlines and I dont trust headlines.

Nie Trink Wasser · 28th August 2003, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KelvinG
As usual NTW, your position is totally distorted by your extremist views.

you have no grounds to call me an extremist you buzzword pig.

Quote:

It is becoming increasingly more difficult to take you seriously in any way.

I can't keep you from your lame agendas. Say what you like.

Quote:

You are nothing more than a yes man in the low end of the right wing progoganda machine that you love so much.
Try opening up your mind for a change instead being the conservative robot you've become. [/b]

ooooooooooo . He's calling me the robot. wow.

stick to creative writing class.

Upchurch · 28th August 2003, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
you seem to have missed the sentence before I called you Booger, Booger.

You seem to think being called a name matters to me one iota.

Hexxenhammer · 28th August 2003, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser

you seem to have missed the sentence before I called you Booger, Booger.

Jock: What are you looking at NERD?

Booger: I thought I was looking at my grandma's douchebag, but that's in Detroit.

Booger was better at insults than you.

Nie Trink Wasser · 28th August 2003, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Upchurch
You seem to think being called a name matters to me one iota.

no you don't understand. I simply think you look like Booger, thats it.....and you do look like him.

it's really that simple, Booger.

Quote:

Jock: What are you looking at NERD?

Booger: I thought I was looking at my grandma's douchebag, but that's in Detroit.

Booger was better at insults than you.

Im not comparing Upchurch's wit to Booger (Upchurch could never compare), just his looks.

that is all.

Nie Trink Wasser · 28th August 2003, 02:14 PM

http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/show...post1870069366

KelvinG · 28th August 2003, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser

you have no grounds to call me an extremist you buzzword pig.

I can't keep you from your lame agendas. Say what you like.

ooooooooooo . He's calling me the robot. wow.

stick to creative writing class.

I just call em as I see em Nie.

No, watch out for those evil lefties. They're coming to get you.

c0rbin · 28th August 2003, 02:25 PM

This is Booger from Revenge of the Nerds

NTW, you are a Troll and possible blind.

Nie Trink Wasser · 28th August 2003, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by c0rbin
This is Booger from Revenge of the Nerds

NTW, you are a Troll and possible blind.

THAT IS Upchurch.

the same sheepish grin, sloppy facial hair, and goofy disposition.

the only difference is that upchurch doesnt have a lot of hair and wears glasses....aside from that he IS an aged Booger !

ha !

Tricky · 28th August 2003, 02:42 PM

NTW prefers his boogers aged. He says that brings out the flavor.

Upchurch · 28th August 2003, 02:48 PM

I guess I'm supposed to react to this and be all offended, but all I'm seeing is NTW's juvenile "attack the attacker" method of diverting attention from the fact that he hasn't defended Coulter nor successfully attacked Franken.

NTW, I'm sorry if I've embarrassed you. There is no shame in being wrong and even less in admiting it.

American · 28th August 2003, 02:59 PM

The man used Harvard University stationary to write letters to various Catholics in government, mocking their "virgin-'til-marriage" beliefs.

Harvard, despite being a cess pool of liberal bed-wetters, wasn't amused.

Shinytop · 28th August 2003, 03:10 PM

You guys do not give NTW enough credit. Without that charming wit you would only have AUP and that girl in the big cowboy hat for entertainment.

corplinx · 28th August 2003, 03:53 PM

NTW, did you actually expect any less from Al Franken? I mean seriously, to act offended that a comedy actor/writer had to have a lot of help writing a book....... is LAME. This is Al Franken we're talking about here, you aren't exactly talking about an A list comedian.

You need to set your expectations a lot lower.

Question, how much of a cut does Harvard get? It seems like their university resources were heavily used by Franken for this commercial venture.

Mr Manifesto · 28th August 2003, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dancing David
oooo

someone wrote a book and used some people to research it

oooooo

So what?

this is not as interesting as your usual posts NTW.

Well, he's posting his own opinion this time. There's bound to a lowering of the bar.

28th August 2003, 11:11 AM	#1
Nie Trink Wasser Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,333	Al Franken - didn't write own book + perpetual jacka_s what IS it with loud-mouthed, jacka_s liberals ? they can't seem to write their own books AND they can't seem to actually READ the books they critique......strange lot of fools they are. ----------------------- USED OFFICIAL UNIVERSITY LETTERHEAD IN CRANK LETTER TO ATTORNEY GENERAL ASHCROFT... http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/frankenabs1.html Al Franken In Sorry State Comedian apologizes to Ashcroft for "imprudent attempt at satire" AUGUST 20--Comedian Al Franken last month wrote an apology letter to Attorney General John Ashcroft, admitting that he was not truthful when he previously sought Ashcroft's views on abstinence. .... Franken's missive, written on letterhead from Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government, claimed that he had already received abstinence stories from other prominent Republicans, including Condoleezza Rice and Senator Rick Santorum. However, in his July 11 apology, Franken admitted that he had not received those abstinence stories and called his solicitation to Ashcroft, "an imprudent attempt at satire." --------------------------------------- author 'given' 14 Harvard assistants to research anti-Right Wing Media book... ""Lies" contains lots of citations and statistics because Franken, during a fellowship this year at Harvard's Shorenstein press center, was given 14 research assistants to help him scour the media archives. Critics will undoubtedly find it as selective as the conservative books (by Ann Coulter and Bernard Goldberg, among others) that he skewers. " http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Aug27.html
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28th August 2003, 11:27 AM	#2
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,472	Re: Al Franken - didn't write own book + perpetual jacka_s Quote: Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser author 'given' 14 Harvard assistants to research anti-Right Wing Media book... I'm curious. How does having help in researching the book equal him not actually writing the book, in your opinion?

28th August 2003, 11:28 AM	#3
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 26,285	Re: Al Franken - didn't write own book + perpetual jacka_s Quote: Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser what IS it with loud-mouthed, jacka_s liberals ? I don't know, what is it with loud-mouthed, jacka_s conservatives? You can speak with authority on that question.
	__________________ "As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law

28th August 2003, 11:31 AM	#4
Nie Trink Wasser Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,333	Re: Re: Al Franken - didn't write own book + perpetual jacka_s Quote: Originally posted by Upchurch I'm curious. How does having help in researching the book equal him not actually writing the book, in your opinion? when one goes to "write" a book, they also may research while writing such a book.When one cannot even do their own research and rely on others to supply the content for the book, it's LAME. Hillary Clinton 5 ghostwriter LAME.
	__________________ "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." - Adolf Hitler (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306) "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." - Louis D. Brandeis "Heâ€™s pulled back the curtain to reveal places like Harvard as the gratuitous institutions theyâ€™ve become ever since graduating the Unabomber (and other like-minded lunatics) who can justify terrorism all too easily with the moral indifference of postmodernism."

28th August 2003, 11:37 AM	#5
Silicon Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,644	Nie trink wasser doesn't even READ Franken's book + perpetual troll. Franken describes the entire research project in full IN the book. The researchers are characters in the book. Their pictures and biographies are in the book. You, however, are a troll.
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28th August 2003, 11:42 AM	#6
Nie Trink Wasser Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,333	Quote: Originally posted by Silicon Nie trink wasser doesn't even READ Franken's book + perpetual troll. Franken describes the entire research project in full IN the book. The researchers are characters in the book. Their pictures and biographies are in the book. You, however, are a troll. wow...seems like a creative waste of space. Ive read parts of the book and I dont claim to have read the entire book.......and if you've noticed I havent claimed to have read the book. why does he waste so much space talking about his credentials and dedicating space to the people who researched the book, when he could supposedly be "tearing down" those lying evil conservatives..... from everything Ive read he fails to do it, again. just make more of a jackass of himself for "comic" relief....if you find things like that funny.
	__________________ "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." - Adolf Hitler (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306) "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." - Louis D. Brandeis "Heâ€™s pulled back the curtain to reveal places like Harvard as the gratuitous institutions theyâ€™ve become ever since graduating the Unabomber (and other like-minded lunatics) who can justify terrorism all too easily with the moral indifference of postmodernism."

28th August 2003, 11:47 AM	#7
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,403	Quote: Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser when one goes to "write" a book, they also may research while writing such a book.When one cannot even do their own research and rely on others to supply the content for the book, it's LAME. Oh please please please tell me you think that Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly don't use research assistants. It will be such a pleasure to make you look like a hypocritical fool. The only difference is, Al Franken gives his assistants credit.

28th August 2003, 11:49 AM	#8
hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,126	Quote: Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser wow...seems like a creative waste of space. Ive read parts of the book and I dont claim to have read the entire book.......and if you've noticed I havent claimed to have read the book. why does he waste so much space talking about his credentials and dedicating space to the people who researched the book, when he could supposedly be "tearing down" those lying evil conservatives..... from everything Ive read he fails to do it, again. just make more of a jackass of himself for "comic" relief....if you find things like that funny. This concept may be a big step up from the "see Dick run" kind of books you're used to, but a book can be about multiple, related topics, e.g., lying conservatives AND the process of doing the research about lying conservatives. You think that second topic is a waste of space, but you probably think that about the whole book anyway, so who cares?

28th August 2003, 11:50 AM	#9
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,349	Re: Re: Re: Al Franken - didn't write own book + perpetual jacka_s Quote: Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser when one goes to "write" a book, they also may research while writing such a book.When one cannot even do their own research and rely on others to supply the content for the book, it's LAME. Hillary Clinton 5 ghostwriter LAME. You do not know much about writing non-fiction do you? Boy, if I could afford a staff then I could readily publish the books I want to write. Non-fiction writing often requires a staff of research assistants to help collect, sort, and double-check the voluminous details that emerge when doing non-fiction writing. Sure, I suppose that a single non-fiction writer could do 100% of their own research, but doing so would make these types of books very expensive and rare. Just think, for example, if an American historian was writing about ancient Japanese warlords, would you really expect them to travel to Japan, have an in-depth and personal knowledge of Japanese, fighting, shooting, riding, strategy, politics, customs, and so on? All of this would take years and many people simply do not have that much time. Now then, the writer in question would likely have a good knowledge about one or two of these items but that is about it. However, I would expect them to know where to find this data and to make sure that it is accurate and that is where the staff comes in.
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28th August 2003, 11:50 AM	#10
Silicon Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,644	Quote: Originally posted by Tricky Oh please please please tell me you think that Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly don't use research assistants. You mean Bill O' LIE-ly. And what's up with that Coulter woman, anyway?
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28th August 2003, 11:52 AM	#11
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 26,285	Quote: Originally posted by Tricky Oh please please please tell me you think that Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly don't use research assistants. Actually, it would not surprise me in the least if Coulter didn't use research assistants. What would she do with one anyways, look up a fact?
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28th August 2003, 12:07 PM	#12
Hexxenhammer Malleus Malefactorum Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,124	Al Franken is the only loud-mouth jack@$$ the left has, cut him some slack. The right has like, 50 billion loud-mouth jack@$$'s. most of them have their own TV and radio shows. You get: 1 star.
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28th August 2003, 12:29 PM	#13
zakur Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,265	Ann Coulter — Plagiarist
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28th August 2003, 12:36 PM	#14
Silicon Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,644	Wow, guess you don't need research assistants when you just plagerize!
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28th August 2003, 12:40 PM	#15
jj grumpy old skeptic Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Deep in the rain Posts: 18,712	Re: Re: Al Franken - didn't write own book + perpetual jacka_s Quote: Originally posted by Ziggurat I don't know, what is it with loud-mouthed, jacka_s conservatives? You can speak with authority on that question. Know what? Sometimes I agree with you, Ziggie, and this is one of those times.
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28th August 2003, 12:42 PM	#16
jj grumpy old skeptic Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Deep in the rain Posts: 18,712	Quote: Originally posted by Tricky Oh please please please tell me you think that Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly don't use research assistants. It will be such a pleasure to make you look like a hypocritical fool. The only difference is, Al Franken gives his assistants credit. Well, sometimes with the stuff they say, I think they haven't done any research at all, but that's a different problem.
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28th August 2003, 12:47 PM	#17
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,919	oooo someone wrote a book and used some people to research it oooooo So what? this is not as interesting as your usual posts NTW.
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28th August 2003, 01:14 PM	#18
gnome Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,879	If I may ask, NTW, what's your opinion on the Fox lawsuit against Franken? A good idea, or a stupid one? With or without merit?
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28th August 2003, 01:23 PM	#19
Nie Trink Wasser Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,333	Quote: Originally posted by gnome If I may ask, NTW, what's your opinion on the Fox lawsuit against Franken? A good idea, or a stupid one? With or without merit? I think Fox has a sense of humor about what they're doing in that case. I also think it's stupid to give a jackass-comic-wannabe like him recognition at all.
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28th August 2003, 01:41 PM	#20
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,472	Quote: Originally posted by zakur Ann Coulter — Plagiarist Nice. Stolen word for word in some cases. Now this is what I would call LAME.

28th August 2003, 01:44 PM	#21
Nie Trink Wasser Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,333	Quote: Originally posted by Upchurch *Nice. Stolen word for word in some cases. Now this* is what I would call LAME.** repeating facts is plagiarism ? Is she supposed to rephrase the fact ? has anyone ever told you that you look like Booger from Revenge of the Nerds ? that's your new name Upchurch....Booger.
	__________________ "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." - Adolf Hitler (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306) "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." - Louis D. Brandeis "Heâ€™s pulled back the curtain to reveal places like Harvard as the gratuitous institutions theyâ€™ve become ever since graduating the Unabomber (and other like-minded lunatics) who can justify terrorism all too easily with the moral indifference of postmodernism."

28th August 2003, 01:47 PM	#22
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,472	Quote: Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser *has anyone ever told you that you look like Booger* from Revenge of the Nerds ?** sigh you have no grace when you lose an argument, do you?

28th August 2003, 01:49 PM	#23
Nie Trink Wasser Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,333	Quote: Originally posted by Upchurch sigh you have no grace when you lose an argument, do you? you seem to have missed the sentence before I called you Booger, Booger.
	__________________ "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." - Adolf Hitler (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306) "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." - Louis D. Brandeis "Heâ€™s pulled back the curtain to reveal places like Harvard as the gratuitous institutions theyâ€™ve become ever since graduating the Unabomber (and other like-minded lunatics) who can justify terrorism all too easily with the moral indifference of postmodernism."

28th August 2003, 01:49 PM	#24
Lurker Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,187	Quote: Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser repeating facts is plagiarism ? Is she supposed to rephrase the fact ? Oh my. It appears someone does not understand the word plagiarism. I better help him out. From Webster's: to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source intransitive senses : to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source Let's see, Coulter used the exact same phrasing, did not credit her source. Yep, sounds like plagiarism to me. Regardless, did you think the Fox suit had merit, NTW? Lurker
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28th August 2003, 01:51 PM	#25
KelvinG Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2,379	As usual NTW, your position is totally distorted by your extremist views. You obviously have very little pratical knowledge of the process of content creation, especially in a non-fictional realm. I realize it is your goal to smash the "left-wing crazies" that lurk in the darkness around your house, and perhaps are the source for the voices in your head, but please do a little research before you are so quit to jump to conclusions. It is becoming increasingly more difficult to take you seriously in any way. You are nothing more than a yes man in the low end of the right wing progoganda machine that you love so much. Try opening up your mind for a change instead being the conservative robot you've become.
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28th August 2003, 01:57 PM	#26
Nie Trink Wasser Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,333	Quote: Originally posted by Lurker Oh my. It appears someone does not understand the word plagiarism. I better help him out. From Webster's: to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source intransitive senses : to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source Let's see, Coulter used the exact same phrasing, did not credit her source. Yep, sounds like plagiarism to me. as with most liberal accusations, Im quite sure there is more to this than is being mentioned in that document and since no one here researches information that could possibly discredit their political views....I'll have to dig it up. Quote: Regardless, did you think the Fox suit had merit, NTW? Lurker [/b] Do you know the official specifics of the suit ( as officially recorded and not just what is reported by news outlets ) ? I havent looked at them...just seen the headlines and I dont trust headlines.
	__________________ "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." - Adolf Hitler (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306) "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." - Louis D. Brandeis "Heâ€™s pulled back the curtain to reveal places like Harvard as the gratuitous institutions theyâ€™ve become ever since graduating the Unabomber (and other like-minded lunatics) who can justify terrorism all too easily with the moral indifference of postmodernism."

28th August 2003, 02:00 PM	#27
Nie Trink Wasser Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,333	Quote: Originally posted by KelvinG As usual NTW, your position is totally distorted by your extremist views. you have no grounds to call me an extremist you buzzword pig. Quote: It is becoming increasingly more difficult to take you seriously in any way. I can't keep you from your lame agendas. Say what you like. Quote: You are nothing more than a yes man in the low end of the right wing progoganda machine that you love so much. Try opening up your mind for a change instead being the conservative robot you've become. [/b] ooooooooooo . He's calling me the robot. wow. stick to creative writing class.
	__________________ "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." - Adolf Hitler (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306) "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." - Louis D. Brandeis "Heâ€™s pulled back the curtain to reveal places like Harvard as the gratuitous institutions theyâ€™ve become ever since graduating the Unabomber (and other like-minded lunatics) who can justify terrorism all too easily with the moral indifference of postmodernism."

28th August 2003, 02:02 PM	#28
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,472	Quote: Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser you seem to have missed the sentence before I called you Booger, Booger. You seem to think being called a name matters to me one iota.

28th August 2003, 02:07 PM	#29
Hexxenhammer Malleus Malefactorum Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,124	Quote: Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser you seem to have missed the sentence before I called you Booger, Booger. Jock: What are you looking at NERD? Booger: I thought I was looking at my grandma's douchebag, but that's in Detroit. Booger was better at insults than you.
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28th August 2003, 02:10 PM	#30
Nie Trink Wasser Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,333	Quote: Originally posted by Upchurch You seem to think being called a name matters to me one iota. no you don't understand. I simply think you look like Booger, thats it.....and you do look like him. it's really that simple, Booger. Quote: Jock: What are you looking at NERD? Booger: I thought I was looking at my grandma's douchebag, but that's in Detroit. Booger was better at insults than you. Im not comparing Upchurch's wit to Booger (Upchurch could never compare), just his looks. that is all.
	__________________ "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." - Adolf Hitler (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306) "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." - Louis D. Brandeis "Heâ€™s pulled back the curtain to reveal places like Harvard as the gratuitous institutions theyâ€™ve become ever since graduating the Unabomber (and other like-minded lunatics) who can justify terrorism all too easily with the moral indifference of postmodernism."

28th August 2003, 02:14 PM	#31
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	__________________ "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." - Adolf Hitler (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306) "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." - Louis D. Brandeis "Heâ€™s pulled back the curtain to reveal places like Harvard as the gratuitous institutions theyâ€™ve become ever since graduating the Unabomber (and other like-minded lunatics) who can justify terrorism all too easily with the moral indifference of postmodernism."

28th August 2003, 02:20 PM	#32
KelvinG Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2,379	Quote: Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser you have no grounds to call me an extremist you buzzword pig. I can't keep you from your lame agendas. Say what you like. ooooooooooo . He's calling me the robot. wow. stick to creative writing class. I just call em as I see em Nie. No, watch out for those evil lefties. They're coming to get you.
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28th August 2003, 02:25 PM	#33
c0rbin Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,806	This is Booger from Revenge of the Nerds NTW, you are a Troll and possible blind.
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28th August 2003, 02:32 PM	#34
Nie Trink Wasser Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,333	Quote: Originally posted by c0rbin This is Booger from Revenge of the Nerds NTW, you are a Troll and possible blind. THAT IS Upchurch. the same sheepish grin, sloppy facial hair, and goofy disposition. the only difference is that upchurch doesnt have a lot of hair and wears glasses....aside from that he IS an aged Booger ! ha !
	__________________ "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." - Adolf Hitler (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306) "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." - Louis D. Brandeis "Heâ€™s pulled back the curtain to reveal places like Harvard as the gratuitous institutions theyâ€™ve become ever since graduating the Unabomber (and other like-minded lunatics) who can justify terrorism all too easily with the moral indifference of postmodernism."

28th August 2003, 02:42 PM	#35
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,403	NTW prefers his boogers aged. He says that brings out the flavor.