Jacko demonstrates his mental breakdown

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Originally posted by JRWoodward
The unsettling thing is that Jackson has gone so far off the deep end without the need for drugs or booze, which he apparently doesn't use. So, not even AA/NA could help. What kind of psychological intervention do the Jehovah's Witless (sic) allow, anyway, and is Jackson still a JW?

I think the only intervention he's had is from NAMBLA.

[davidhorman]

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I think the only intervention he's had is from NAMBLA.

That's what the surgery has been about? He was trying to look like Marlon Brando?

David

[subgenius]

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Originally posted by JRWoodward
The unsettling thing is that Jackson has gone so far off the deep end without the need for drugs or booze, which he apparently doesn't use. So, not even AA/NA could help. What kind of psychological intervention do the Jehovah's Witless (sic) allow, anyway, and is Jackson still a JW?

According to the article above, he's no longer JW but insists that the hired nannies and help be. Shades of Howard Hughes and the Mormons.
Re: drugs/booze, I wouldn't be surprised to find various prescribed psych drugs in his system: anti-depressants, etc.

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Originally posted by davidhorman


That's what the surgery has been about? He was trying to look like Marlon Brando?

David

I'm not sure if Marlon Brando had anything to do with the North American Man-Boy Love Alliance, but that was what I was referring to.

[Segnosaur]

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Originally posted by Brooklyn Dodger


I'm not sure if Marlon Brando had anything to do with the North American Man-Boy Love Alliance, but that was what I was referring to.

I think David was refering to the OTHER group that uses the name NAMBLA.... The National Association of Marlon Brando Look Alikes.

Oh. No, I had in mind a different NAMBLA.

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Originally posted by Segnosaur


I think David was refering to the OTHER group that uses the name NAMBLA.... The National Association of Marlon Brando Look Alikes.

Coincidence? We report, you decide.

[King of the Americas]

..."Dangled your child over certain death?"

Like at the zoo, ever hold you kid over the aligator pit, or as you are driving down the interstate, ever open the passanger door and pretend liek you were going to shove an unrestrained child out the door, or how about holding a child over an aquarium filled with flesh-eating pirannas?

Jacko said, "...I would never intentionally endanger the life of my child.", but that is EXACTLY what he did.

Had he dropped the child surely a 4 story fall would have resulted in a 'bad ending'...

I personally believe that he is guilty of 'child endangerment', at its most basic defination.

The closest thing I could get a parent to admitting to was throwing their child into the air, and then catching them. But even this probably wouldn't have resulted in certain death...a broken bone or two, maybe...

[davidhorman]

There has to be a first time for everything, and this is the first time I've really understood what KOA was saying - and on top of that, I agree with him.

When I was young, about 4 or 5, I saw a schoolmate's parent throw their other daughter, of about 2 or 3 years old, into the air, spinning them through 360 degrees and catching her again, over the pavement (sidewalk). Even at that young age I could hardly believe what I was seeing.

David

[RandFan]

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Originally posted by King of the Americas
..."Dangled your child over certain death?"

Like at the zoo, ever hold you kid over the aligator pit, or as you are driving down the interstate, ever open the passanger door and pretend liek you were going to shove an unrestrained child out the door, or how about holding a child over an aquarium filled with flesh-eating pirannas?

Jacko said, "...I would never intentionally endanger the life of my child.", but that is EXACTLY what he did.

Had he dropped the child surely a 4 story fall would have resulted in a 'bad ending'...

I personally believe that he is guilty of 'child endangerment', at its most basic defination.

The closest thing I could get a parent to admitting to was throwing their child into the air, and then catching them. But even this probably wouldn't have resulted in certain death...a broken bone or two, maybe...

I was leaning to "this was just dumb" but KOA makes a great point. I too agree with him. Good post.

[King of the Americas]

Agreeing with ME...!?!?

Who'd a thunk it?

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I think Michael Jackon is one sick puppy, and wouldn't make my list of babysitters in a billion years.

I read in another post that he thinks it is okay to sleep with little boys...I am sure that he didn't mean to have 'sex with them', but rather just to have them in his bed overnight. Even at this, I am bit taken aback. I can't imagine sending my kid to a 'sleep-over' with Michael Jackson, much less a 'sleep-in'.

[subgenius]

Have promised not to start any new threads for a while, so I'm posting this MJ update here:

February 04, 2003

Jackson faces ruin after admitting: I sleep with boys
By Adam Sherwin, Media Reporter



MICHAEL JACKSON’S career lay in ruins last night after he admitted in a television documentary that he coaxed young boys into sleeping in his bed.
The star, who was accused of molesting a boy ten years ago, said that he recently encouraged a 12-year-old cancer sufferer to sleep in his bedroom. He also claimed to have slept in the same bed alongside several other young boys.
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Jackson defended his desire to sleep in close proximity with young boys, under persistent questioning from Bashir.

He described the practice as “very charming, very sweet” and recommended that Bashir sleep in the same bed as friends of his own children. He also claimed that children like to be touched and said he would kill himself if he could not be close to them.

“It’s what the whole world should do,” he told the interviewer, Martin Bashir, when questioned about the incident during the Granada television programme, Living With Michael Jackson.
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Jackson’s friend, Uri Geller, persuaded him to allow Bashir to become part of his entourage for eight months. But the resulting film, which has been bought by the US broadcaster ABC for £3.5 million, could lead to police action against the fallen star.

One executive described it as the “longest suicide note in history”.

Tom Sneddon, the District Attorney behind the Chandler investigation, is expected to look at the new allegations after the programme is screened in the US this Friday. A spokesman from his office said: “We will be watching the programme with interest.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...565675,00.html

This is news? I assumed this to be the case for years.

[subgenius]

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Originally posted by Brooklyn Dodger
This is news? I assumed this to be the case for years.

Believe it or not some people think OJ will find the real killer yet.
In this thread there were some who refused to believe their own eyes and ears.

The import of the article cited is that it may be his total undoing, at his own hands, and may now lead to new criminal charges.
At least his children (wards?) should be protected from this pervert.

In case the link doesn't work:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/

OK, maybe he hasn't been completely undone. He's still on the loose. But do we really want him in jail? He'd be a celebrity in prison like he is outside. Parents everywhere already know about the guy. Don't they?

[subgenius]

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Originally posted by Brooklyn Dodger
OK, maybe he hasn't been completely undone. He's still on the loose. But do we really want him in jail? He'd be a celebrity in prison like he is outside. Parents everywhere already know about the guy. Don't they?

Huh?

[Pyrrho]

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Originally posted by Brooklyn Dodger
OK, maybe he hasn't been completely undone. He's still on the loose. But do we really want him in jail? He'd be a celebrity in prison like he is outside. Parents everywhere already know about the guy. Don't they?

It hasn't been proven that Jackson is guilty of pedophilia.

Parents everywhere might "know about the guy", but people will do strange things for money...they've even been known to sacrifice their own children. Jacko's an example of that.

I'd say he's already in prison. He's too big a meal ticket for too many people. They'll never let him go.

[crackmonkey]

Not a chance. Book him, Dan O.

[subgenius]

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Originally posted by crackmonkey
Not a chance. Book him, Dan O.

Thank you.

[Pyrrho]

Hmm, yes, there could be some money-making potential in a Michael Jackson in Prison album...the only problem would be getting the proper sets built in the country club he'd have to spend weekends locked up in, during the off-concert-season.

Hell, even if guilty, do any of you think he'd do a minute's worth of serious time?

[subgenius]

Geller defends Jackson over documentary
by agencies


Uri Geller defended his friend Michael Jackson today after the reclusive pop star admitted in a television documentary last night that he invited children to sleep in his bedroom.

Geller, who helped set up the programme – Living with Michael Jackson - on ITV1 with Martin Bashir, said that he would let his own children sleep with the pop star.
...

"Michael isn't a healer or a miracle worker but the love he gives to the children is so immense that I know some children who had cancer who went into remission. People don't talk about that. Positive thinking, just being kind and good to someone sick - that helps."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...565950,00.html

[Q-Source]

I was shocked for last night documentary.

One of the most shocking moments was when he mentioned that he took home her new born baby -still with the placenta on her- because he was so scared that Doctors could find something wrong with her health.

He said that he just wanted to run away with the baby ("I just wanted to go, go!").

Uggg...

[subgenius]

Jackson documentary dangles more details
By Ann Oldenburg, USA TODAY

Michael Jackson says his third child — the baby he dangled over a Berlin hotel balcony in November — was the product of "a surrogate mother and my own sperm cells."
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Asked how he selected the mother of nearly 1-year-old Prince Michael II, Jackson said only that the surrogate mother doesn't know him. His two older children, Prince Michael I, who is 5, and Paris, 4, appeared on film wearing party masks. The pop star fed the baby, whom he has nicknamed Blanket, a bottle of milk while draping a veil over his head.

Jackson said that after his former wife, Debbie Rowe, gave birth to Paris, "I snatched (the baby) and just went home with all the placenta and everything all over her. I'm not kidding. Got her in a towel and ran. They said it was fine. ... And I got her home and washed it all off."
http://www.usatoday.com/life/televi...3-jackson_x.htm

[subgenius]

Santa Barbara Child Welfare Services considered launching an investigation into Jackson’s treatment of his three children after he held his baby son over a balcony last November.

In the wake of the programme’s broadcast in the UK, a number of children’s charities yesterday said they would have launched an inquiry if similar circumstances were reported.

Pam Hilbert, a principal policy officer at Barnardos, described Jackson’s behaviour as "totally inappropriate", while a spokesman for the NSPCC said his behaviour could be used by people who want to harm or abuse children as "an excuse for their own behaviour".

The programme contained scenes of his children being harassed and frightened by the press as they visited Berlin Zoo. The singer has a son, Prince Michael, aged five, and a daughter Paris, aged four, both born during his brief marriage to Debbie Rowe, whom he divorced in 1999.

The children, who do not go out in public without wearing masks, no longer see their mother and the eldest told Bashir he didn’t have a mother. The programme also raised questions over the parentage of Mr Jackson’s youngest child, Prince Michael II, also known as "Blanket". At one point, the singer insisted he had a relationship with the mother, but later claimed the child was conceived by a surrogate mother. "I used a surrogate mother and my own sperm cells. She doesn’t know me, I don’t know her," Jackson said. Despite the fact the baby was clearly white, he insisted the birth mother was black
http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/index.cfm?id=142962003

[Reginald]

Some of the things were absolutely unacceptable in society.

It shows just how far he is "Gone" in that he sees no wrong in what he does/says.

As for if he should go to prison if he is found guilty. Yes bang him up, but do it right, no fancy airs and graces (Oxygen tent, monkey,clowns etc.) , proper hard time just like anyone else.

There has been a run of "Celebrities" in the UK accused (and in one or two cases found Guilty)of child offenses and it would serve as a half decent reminder that no matter how much money you have, no matter how "famous" you are. If you interfere with kids you pay.

If Joe Public were to come out with 1% of what Jackson was saying, he would be lucky to be alive once the local "Mums" had finished with him.

Of being a complete headcase.Guilty.
Of showing extremely poor judgement. Guilty
Of causing harm to or assaulting children. Well that we will find out...but also.....

The parents of these children in his entourage..of looking to ignore what is going on, in the hope that in some way they can make a few million dollars, either through a post assault law suit or from just sponging from the loon with more money than sense..GUILTY!!!!!GUILTY!!!!!GUILTY!!!!!

[subgenius]

pedojesus:

[Skeptical Greg]

I thought this was going to be a new set of dance moves..


" O.K. everyone. Let's all do the ' Mental Breakdown '..."

[subgenius]

Jacko says he's 'betrayed' by Bashir

Michael Jackson has criticised Martin Bashir and the makers of a documentary on him.


http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm...atestheadlines

[Shane Costello]

Surely Whacko's good pal Uri Geller could have sensed all the negative vibes on the horizon, or is that Uri's scene to begin with?

[Reginald]

His official spokesman was on TV this morning waffling on about how if anyone had been to "Neverland" or what ever they would see what a lovely place it is. full of happy smiling children, bus loads in fact, all having a good time and smiling, smiling and more smiling blah blah blah.....lovely place.....smiling.

The Presenter then asked the spokesman if he had been there himself.....the answer "Erm no".

[subgenius]

Mother complains over Bashir interview
By Chris Hastings and Elizabeth Day
(Filed: 09/02/2003)


The mother of the 12-year-old boy who admitted that he had shared a bedroom with Michael Jackson has defended the singer and reported Martin Bashir's documentary to the Broadcasting Standards Commission.

Janet Ventura-Arvizo said yesterday that Mr Bashir's interview with the 44-year-old American performer, entitled Living with Michael Jackson, was a "gross distortion of the truth" that breached broadcasting guidelines governing interviews with children
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Critics, however, are bound to question Mrs Ventura-Arvizo's motives, particularly after she admitted receiving gifts from the star. She was unavailable for comment last night after being moved by the singer's aides to a secret location.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...09/ixhome.html

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[subgenius]

The affadavit of the child who sued Jacko(ff):
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mjdec1.html

[subgenius]

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Originally posted by Reginald
His official spokesman was on TV this morning waffling on about how if anyone had been to "Neverland" or what ever they would see what a lovely place it is. full of happy smiling children, bus loads in fact, all having a good time and smiling, smiling and more smiling blah blah blah.....lovely place.....smiling.

The Presenter then asked the spokesman if he had been there himself.....the answer "Erm no".

Gee, I love it when someone asks the obvious follow up question.

[corplinx]

Knocking Jacko is like shooting fish in a barrel. Leave him for the FM deejays to criticize.

[subgenius]

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Originally posted by corplinx
Knocking Jacko is like shooting fish in a barrel. Leave him for the FM deejays to criticize.

Why? There's children (his and others) at risk.

[corplinx]

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Originally posted by subgenius

Why? There's children (his and others) at risk.

Im sure there are people already gearing up to investigate him since these new interviews have been done. I just feel like talking about the sick bastard is a waste of breath.

[Supercharts]

Just saw a clip on Fox where Ozzy & wife are condeming MJ. If Ozzy thinks MJ is wacko then it has to be true.

[Tmy]

I think everyones being a little to harsh on MJ. Sure he's kookey but has he done anything that bad? No one's going after Cortney Love's kid or the Osborne kids (who they show getting drunk constantly on the Osbourne show).

I didnt see anything that bad on the 20/20 special. Yeah the bedroom sleeping thing is inappropriate but there's no proof of any crime. Whats the difference if its in his bedroom (which apparently is a big complex unto itself) or if they were sharing a tent while camping? Why is one OK and not the other?

[Supercharts]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/doc_o_day/doc_o_day.shtml

[subgenius]

February 10, 2003 -- The 12-year-old cancer-stricken boy who shared a bedroom with Michael Jackson was whisked into hiding last night as the youngster's dad emerged to say the sleepovers his son had at the Neverland Ranch were completely inappropriate.
"It's obvious that Gavin shouldn't be up on Jackson's ranch on his own and unsupervised," said David Arvizo, whose son Gavin claims Jackson helped cure him of his disease with constant attention.

And he blamed his ex-wife, Janet Ventura-Arvizo, for allowing Gavin, his brother Star, and sister Davelin to associate with the Gloved One.

"She just sees prestige for herself from the connection," he told London's Mirror newspaper. "Janet always dreamed of being a celebrity. That's what she thinks she has become."

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/68786.htm