[Moderated] Dowsing By Edge - Page 13

Pope130 · 8th April 2007, 01:06 PM

Edge,
I can't seem to find a formal application. Have you formaly applied, and if so when? Going by the date of the OP you may be running into the one year time limit soon.

Robert

BillyJoe · 8th April 2007, 03:44 PM

Jeff has acknowledged receipt of edge's application - still no reply, though, after a couple of months.

Pope130 · 8th April 2007, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by BillyJoe

Jeff has acknowledged receipt of edge's application - still no reply, though, after a couple of months.

Billy Joe,
Thanks. I'd just noticed the original post is about ten and a half months old and was wondering how long the official clock had been ticking.
Robert

edge · 4th May 2007, 09:08 AM

u sticks are female!

I did a test on sand stone type bedrock at the top of Buckhorn pass.
I got better results because of the neutrality of the ground.
I am now going to try limestone bedrock or a quarry, which should do it.
One other place would be a thick ash deposit.

Jeff has made me an offer to do the test in Japan for a TV show.
I am waiting to hear from them.
They should have a limestone quarry there.

Tricky is there any metals in Limestone?
I need to know if I’m right.

Skeptic Guy · 4th May 2007, 09:14 AM

May I ask what do you mean "neutrality of the ground"?

edge · 4th May 2007, 09:35 AM

Skeptic Guy, "neutrality of the ground"?

Quote:

Tricky is there any metals in Limestone?
I need to know if I’m right.

Skeptic Guy · 4th May 2007, 09:37 AM

Yes, makes perfect sense.

edge · 4th May 2007, 09:46 AM

While I have been here in Ca. in this town,
Some one has been telling me there’s a place where the copper veins are on either side of a creek running through this gorge, He says,
And I quote, you can throw a screwdriver or a set of keys and they will levitate 6 to 8 feet above the water flow.

I am going to check it out and film it.
It’s a 3-mile hike to the spot.

Any way, do you think it’s possible?

Skeptic Guy · 4th May 2007, 09:48 AM

Not in the least.

EHocking · 4th May 2007, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by edge

While I have been here in Ca. in this town,
Some one has been telling me there’s a place where the copper veins are on either side of a creek running through this gorge, He says,
And I quote, you can throw a screwdriver or a set of keys and they will levitate 6 to 8 feet above the water flow.

I am going to check it out and film it.
It’s a 3-mile hike to the spot.

Any way, do you think it’s possible?

Just as possible as dowsing actually working...

Paulhoff · 4th May 2007, 10:40 AM

These things always work 100 percent of the time, but then there are the real tests, that old reality is a real pisser.

Paul

SezMe · 4th May 2007, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by edge

Any way, do you think it’s possible?

Absolutely....as long as there is not a skeptic within 1000 miles whose bad vibes will ruin the whole effect.

edge · 4th May 2007, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by SezMe

Absolutely....as long as there is not a skeptic within 1000 miles whose bad vibes will ruin the whole effect.

We'll see when I get the chance to go, I'll let you know.

If a skeptic has that kind of power then where does it come from?

Hell maybe a skeptic should take the challenge.

Tricky · 4th May 2007, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by edge

Tricky is there any metals in Limestone?
I need to know if I’m right.

Pure limestone is calcium carbonate, but in the real world, there is virtually nothing that is pure. You can find metal salts in almost any kind of rock on earth, but the amount may vary greatly. Limestone is not as likely to contain pure metals (as opposed to metallic salts or other compounds) as many other rocks, but it's not impossible. The world is a big place.

But I don't really know what you're asking. Certainly metals can be found in the same areas where limestone can be found, but that doesn't mean the metal came from the limestone.

And then of course, you have to define "metal". Most of the elements in the periodic table are classified as some kind of metal.

UnrepentantSinner · 4th May 2007, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Guy

May I ask what do you mean "neutrality of the ground"?

That the best results occur in Sweden or Switzerland.

Tricky · 4th May 2007, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by edge

He says,
And I quote, you can throw a screwdriver or a set of keys and they will levitate 6 to 8 feet above the water flow.

I am going to check it out and film it.
It’s a 3-mile hike to the spot.

Any way, do you think it’s possible?

No, that is so close to being impossible as to qualify. If there were magnetic pulls, the keys or whatever metal would have to be perfectly balanced from all sides. If you don't believe me, try suspending a piece of metal between two magnets. It always gets pulled to the one that is closer or stronger.

The only time you can make something "levitate" is if you have two magnets with the same poles held in place and facing each other with one above the other, but you have to have something to hold it in position, or it will simply flip over and they will join. Again, if you want to test this, try suspending one magnet over another without anything to hold the upper magnet.

And of course, keys and screwdrivers are generally not magnets, so this wouldn't work for them anyway.

Your "friend" is either deeply misguided or is lying or is yanking your chain so he can laugh at you. Don't waste your time on this.

Skeptic Guy · 4th May 2007, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by UnrepentantSinner

That the best results occur in Sweden or Switzerland.

Ah, that makes as much sense as anything else!

Now if we could just figure out how veins of copper can cause hardware to "levitate".

BillyJoe · 4th May 2007, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Guy

Ah, that makes as much sense as anything else!.

Actually, edge makes perfect sense to me.
You just need to be around a bit.
He is an acquired taste.

BillyJoe · 4th May 2007, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

Don't waste your time on this.

No, I think edge needs to do this thing.
He needs to push his finger into the wound as it were.
(oops, sorry, that's probably not a good analogy)
Let him go and report back.
I think we can trust him to be honest about what he finds.

BJ

BillyJoe · 4th May 2007, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by Paulhoff

These things always work 100 percent of the time, but then there are the real tests, that old reality is a real pisser.

Edge claims only 60% success.
Also, he has to prove it to himself before going public.
Also, I don't find reality a "real pisser"

BillyJoe · 4th May 2007, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Guy

May I ask what do you mean "neutrality of the ground"?

Somewhere where there is no metal or whatever to interfere with the operation of the dowsing rod.

Skeptic Guy · 4th May 2007, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by BillyJoe

Somewhere where there is no metal or whatever to interfere with the operation of the dowsing rod.

I thought that was one of the things dowsing was supposed to do, find metal.

And as Tricky points out, Edge needs to define what he means. "Neutral" could mean a lot of things.

SezMe · 4th May 2007, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by edge

While I have been here in Ca. in this town,
Some one has been telling me there’s a place where the copper veins are on either side of a creek running through this gorge, He says,
And I quote, you can throw a screwdriver or a set of keys and they will levitate 6 to 8 feet above the water flow.

I am going to check it out and film it.
It’s a 3-mile hike to the spot.

Any way, do you think it’s possible?

edge, my sarcastic remark above aside, this has nothing to do with your challenge app. If you want to pursue a thread about some nutbar friend of yours, start another thread and have at it.

This thread is about your challenge - and that alone. Stick to the topic and, more to the point, stick to the challenge. Distractions such as this utterly idiotic one detract from your making progress on your claim and seriously detract from the possibility that folks will take you seriously.

BillyJoe · 4th May 2007, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Guy

I thought that was one of the things dowsing was supposed to do, find metal.

He is specifically looking for gold.

Originally Posted by Skeptic Guy

And as Tricky points out, Edge needs to define what he means. "Neutral" could mean a lot of things.

Neutral means anywhere where he gets a response to gold and nothing else.

SezMe · 5th May 2007, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by BillyJoe

SezMe,

Says who?
(No, I mean it. Why can edge not have a little side issue going if he wants. While we wait for the main game to resume.)

BJ

Hey, he can have as many side issues going as he likes. edge can be entertaining with his other interests and, as I stated in my post, I have absolutely no problem with him opening as many threads as he wants to discuss those interests. But this thread in the MDC forum should be devoted to his current challenge...and ONLY to that challenge.

BillyJoe · 5th May 2007, 02:07 AM

YES SlR!

GzuzKryzt · 5th May 2007, 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by SezMe

Hey, he can have as many side issues going as he likes. edge can be entertaining with his other interests and, as I stated in my post, I have absolutely no problem with him opening as many threads as he wants to discuss those interests. But this thread in the MDC forum should be devoted to his current challenge...and ONLY to that challenge.

Originally Posted by GzuzKryzt

We should not expect much different from Mr. Sacagawea.

We should expect one more journey around the sun filled with excuses, evasion, fish tales, the whole shebangabang.

Everything but evidence for his dowsing abilities.

Why refine a protocol for a possible Million Dollar award, when you could simply ramble about levitating keys?

edge · 5th May 2007, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

No, that is so close to being impossible as to qualify. If there were magnetic pulls, the keys or whatever metal would have to be perfectly balanced from all sides. If you don't believe me, try suspending a piece of metal between two magnets. It always gets pulled to the one that is closer or stronger.

The only time you can make something "levitate" is if you have two magnets with the same poles held in place and facing each other with one above the other, but you have to have something to hold it in position, or it will simply flip over and they will join. Again, if you want to test this, try suspending one magnet over another without anything to hold the upper magnet.

And of course, keys and screwdrivers are generally not magnets, so this wouldn't work for them anyway.

Your "friend" is either deeply misguided or is lying or is yanking your chain so he can laugh at you. Don't waste your time on this.

He doesn’t know about me except that I mine.

He does say that a nail is light enough that it will shot over to one side and at great speeds.
It's a spot that we also plan to mine, as he knows what's there.
It's worth a look.

If true then the copper veins must have some sort of charge?

Quote:

Pure limestone is calcium carbonate, but in the real world, there is virtually nothing that is pure. You can find metal salts in almost any kind of rock on earth, but the amount may vary greatly. Limestone is not as likely to contain pure metals (as opposed to metallic salts or other compounds) as many other rocks, but it's not impossible. The world is a big place.

Nothing big,[metals] I would think, salts wouldn’t matter .

And Paula says,

Quote:

How convenient, but being better than a baseball batter is still poor.

To many reality is a real pisser, therefore they have a so-called god....

Paul

Editing uncivil post. The question should be "What do you mean?"

Posted By:chillzero

Paulhoff · 5th May 2007, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by edge

If true then the copper veins must have some sort of charge?

A charge? When in the ground, please........

Paul

And I see you're up to name calling again, please don't be childless.

BillyJoe · 5th May 2007, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Paulhoff

A charge? When in the ground, please........

A charge? When in the ground? Please....

Paulhoff · 6th May 2007, 05:04 AM

Originally Posted by BillyJoe

A charge? When in the ground? Please....

If I wanted it that way I would have done it that way, "When in the ground" was not a question thank-you it was a statement...............

Paul

BillyJoe · 6th May 2007, 06:12 AM

Originally Posted by Paulhoff

If I wanted it that way I would have done it that way, "When in the ground" was not a question thank-you it was a statement...............

Okay, I can see that, but I'll have to trust you meant that. Don't know if I do.

rtalman · 6th May 2007, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by BillyJoe

edge

Like e.e. cummings?
Sorry, my bad, billyjoe.

CynicalSkeptic · 7th May 2007, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by edge

If a skeptic has that kind of power then where does it come from?

Hell maybe a skeptic should take the challenge.

Sounds good. Here's my claim: I have the power to nullify anyone's paranormal powers. i.e. when I am present during a controlled, double-blinded, demonstration of supernatural powers, those powers will fail to pass the demonstration.

Where's my $1M?

GzuzKryzt · 7th May 2007, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by CynicalSkeptic

Sounds good. Here's my claim: I have the power to nullify anyone's paranormal powers. i.e. when I am present during a controlled, double-blinded, demonstration of supernatural powers, those powers will fail to pass the demonstration.

Where's my $1M?

Check's in the mail. I sent edge one, too.

(The last sentence reads for BillyJoe: I sent edge one two.)

edge · 7th May 2007, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by CynicalSkeptic

Sounds good. Here's my claim: I have the power to nullify anyone's paranormal powers. i.e. when I am present during a controlled, double-blinded, demonstration of supernatural powers, those powers will fail to pass the demonstration.

Where's my $1M?

Luckly dowsing is not paranormal.
I'll take that bet lets go mining.

Jackalgirl · 7th May 2007, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by edge

...
You know why?
I can prove it in the field.
...

Okay, so when will you be ready to conduct a test according to JREF's standards for protocols? I'm personally not interested in the copper vein / magnetism test, because that's not what you've proposed to test for the Million Dollar Challenge.

When are you going to be ready to actually conduct (your next) Million Dollar Challenge test?

EHocking · 8th May 2007, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by edge

...You have to see it to believe it.
They say, other scientists that there is no measurable force when dowsing, that’s wrong.
I can measure it.

Without wishing to derail this thread further...

HOW can you measure this force?

Tricky · 8th May 2007, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by EHocking

Without wishing to derail this thread further...

HOW can you measure this force?

Some time way back, Edge claimed that the attractive force from dowsing nearly ripped his rod out of his hands, even though he was wearing gloves. Unfortunately, when we suggested a test for this force, he failed to demonstrate it (and reported it honestly). He was not able to make a pendant of pure gold swing by dowsing at it, so this claim of strong force has never been substantiated by him.

He has further claimed that this force is unique because it does not adhere to Newton's 3rd law, in that it creates an action without any equal and opposite reaction, though he has failed to elaborate on this.

It is possible he will claim that he never said such things, and I'm not even sure I can find the posts to prove it (as I say, it was some time back) and I don't accuse him of lying. I think he truly may have forgotten much of what he has said, especially the parts that contradict each other.

Paulhoff · 8th May 2007, 05:12 PM

Is it funny, how these rods don't do a dam thing when they are just laid down on the ground, they only work when in the hand, mmmmmmmm.

Paul

8th April 2007, 03:44 PM	#482
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4th May 2007, 09:08 AM	#484
edge Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where my two best friends are, in here now. Posts: 5,249	u sticks are female! I did a test on sand stone type bedrock at the top of Buckhorn pass. I got better results because of the neutrality of the ground. I am now going to try limestone bedrock or a quarry, which should do it. One other place would be a thick ash deposit. Jeff has made me an offer to do the test in Japan for a TV show. I am waiting to hear from them. They should have a limestone quarry there. Tricky is there any metals in Limestone? I need to know if I’m right.
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4th May 2007, 09:14 AM	#485
Skeptic Guy Raccoon Death Squad Leader Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Southeast of Disorder Posts: 6,996	May I ask what do you mean "neutrality of the ground"?
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4th May 2007, 09:35 AM	#486
edge Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where my two best friends are, in here now. Posts: 5,249	Skeptic Guy, "neutrality of the ground"? Quote: Tricky is there any metals in Limestone? I need to know if I’m right.
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4th May 2007, 09:37 AM	#487
Skeptic Guy Raccoon Death Squad Leader Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Southeast of Disorder Posts: 6,996	Yes, makes perfect sense.
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8th April 2007, 01:06 PM	#481
Pope130 Muse Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 965	Edge, I can't seem to find a formal application. Have you formaly applied, and if so when? Going by the date of the OP you may be running into the one year time limit soon. Robert

8th April 2007, 03:55 PM	#483
Pope130 Muse Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 965	Originally Posted by BillyJoe Jeff has acknowledged receipt of edge's application - still no reply, though, after a couple of months. Billy Joe, Thanks. I'd just noticed the original post is about ten and a half months old and was wondering how long the official clock had been ticking. Robert

4th May 2007, 09:46 AM	#488
edge Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where my two best friends are, in here now. Posts: 5,249	While I have been here in Ca. in this town, Some one has been telling me there’s a place where the copper veins are on either side of a creek running through this gorge, He says, And I quote, you can throw a screwdriver or a set of keys and they will levitate 6 to 8 feet above the water flow. I am going to check it out and film it. It’s a 3-mile hike to the spot. Any way, do you think it’s possible?
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4th May 2007, 09:48 AM	#489
Skeptic Guy Raccoon Death Squad Leader Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Southeast of Disorder Posts: 6,996	Not in the least.
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4th May 2007, 09:49 AM	#490
EHocking Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,410	Originally Posted by edge While I have been here in Ca. in this town, Some one has been telling me there’s a place where the copper veins are on either side of a creek running through this gorge, He says, And I quote, you can throw a screwdriver or a set of keys and they will levitate 6 to 8 feet above the water flow. I am going to check it out and film it. It’s a 3-mile hike to the spot. Any way, do you think it’s possible? Just as possible as dowsing actually working...
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4th May 2007, 10:40 AM	#491
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4th May 2007, 11:47 AM	#492
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,381	Originally Posted by edge Any way, do you think it’s possible? Absolutely....as long as there is not a skeptic within 1000 miles whose bad vibes will ruin the whole effect.

4th May 2007, 07:40 PM	#493
edge Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where my two best friends are, in here now. Posts: 5,249	Originally Posted by SezMe Absolutely....as long as there is not a skeptic within 1000 miles whose bad vibes will ruin the whole effect. We'll see when I get the chance to go, I'll let you know. If a skeptic has that kind of power then where does it come from? Hell maybe a skeptic should take the challenge.
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4th May 2007, 07:56 PM	#494
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,374	Originally Posted by edge Tricky is there any metals in Limestone? I need to know if I’m right. Pure limestone is calcium carbonate, but in the real world, there is virtually nothing that is pure. You can find metal salts in almost any kind of rock on earth, but the amount may vary greatly. Limestone is not as likely to contain pure metals (as opposed to metallic salts or other compounds) as many other rocks, but it's not impossible. The world is a big place. But I don't really know what you're asking. Certainly metals can be found in the same areas where limestone can be found, but that doesn't mean the metal came from the limestone. And then of course, you have to define "metal". Most of the elements in the periodic table are classified as some kind of metal.

4th May 2007, 08:01 PM	#495
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,363	Originally Posted by Skeptic Guy May I ask what do you mean "neutrality of the ground"? That the best results occur in Sweden or Switzerland.
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4th May 2007, 08:09 PM	#496
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,374	Originally Posted by edge He says, And I quote, you can throw a screwdriver or a set of keys and they will levitate 6 to 8 feet above the water flow. I am going to check it out and film it. It’s a 3-mile hike to the spot. Any way, do you think it’s possible? No, that is so close to being impossible as to qualify. If there were magnetic pulls, the keys or whatever metal would have to be perfectly balanced from all sides. If you don't believe me, try suspending a piece of metal between two magnets. It always gets pulled to the one that is closer or stronger. The only time you can make something "levitate" is if you have two magnets with the same poles held in place and facing each other with one above the other, but you have to have something to hold it in position, or it will simply flip over and they will join. Again, if you want to test this, try suspending one magnet over another without anything to hold the upper magnet. And of course, keys and screwdrivers are generally not magnets, so this wouldn't work for them anyway. Your "friend" is either deeply misguided or is lying or is yanking your chain so he can laugh at you. Don't waste your time on this.

4th May 2007, 08:10 PM	#497
Skeptic Guy Raccoon Death Squad Leader Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Southeast of Disorder Posts: 6,996	Originally Posted by UnrepentantSinner That the best results occur in Sweden or Switzerland. Ah, that makes as much sense as anything else! Now if we could just figure out how veins of copper can cause hardware to "levitate".
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4th May 2007, 09:20 PM	#498
BillyJoe Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MOOROOLBARK Posts: 12,539	Originally Posted by Skeptic Guy Ah, that makes as much sense as anything else!. Actually, edge makes perfect sense to me. You just need to be around a bit. He is an acquired taste.
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4th May 2007, 09:24 PM	#499
BillyJoe Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MOOROOLBARK Posts: 12,539	Originally Posted by Tricky Don't waste your time on this. No, I think edge needs to do this thing. He needs to push his finger into the wound as it were. (oops, sorry, that's probably not a good analogy) Let him go and report back. I think we can trust him to be honest about what he finds. BJ
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4th May 2007, 09:29 PM	#500
BillyJoe Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MOOROOLBARK Posts: 12,539	Originally Posted by Paulhoff These things always work 100 percent of the time, but then there are the real tests, that old reality is a real pisser. Edge claims only 60% success. Also, he has to prove it to himself before going public. Also, I don't find reality a "real pisser"
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4th May 2007, 09:31 PM	#501
BillyJoe Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MOOROOLBARK Posts: 12,539	Originally Posted by Skeptic Guy May I ask what do you mean "neutrality of the ground"? Somewhere where there is no metal or whatever to interfere with the operation of the dowsing rod.
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4th May 2007, 10:04 PM	#502
Skeptic Guy Raccoon Death Squad Leader Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Southeast of Disorder Posts: 6,996	Originally Posted by BillyJoe Somewhere where there is no metal or whatever to interfere with the operation of the dowsing rod. I thought that was one of the things dowsing was supposed to do, find metal. And as Tricky points out, Edge needs to define what he means. "Neutral" could mean a lot of things.
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4th May 2007, 10:28 PM	#503
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,381	Originally Posted by edge While I have been here in Ca. in this town, Some one has been telling me there’s a place where the copper veins are on either side of a creek running through this gorge, He says, And I quote, you can throw a screwdriver or a set of keys and they will levitate 6 to 8 feet above the water flow. I am going to check it out and film it. It’s a 3-mile hike to the spot. Any way, do you think it’s possible? edge, my sarcastic remark above aside, this has nothing to do with your challenge app. If you want to pursue a thread about some nutbar friend of yours, start another thread and have at it. This thread is about your challenge - and that alone. Stick to the topic and, more to the point, stick to the challenge. Distractions such as this utterly idiotic one detract from your making progress on your claim and seriously detract from the possibility that folks will take you seriously.

4th May 2007, 11:05 PM	#504
BillyJoe Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MOOROOLBARK Posts: 12,539	Originally Posted by Skeptic Guy I thought that was one of the things dowsing was supposed to do, find metal. He is specifically looking for gold. Originally Posted by Skeptic Guy And as Tricky points out, Edge needs to define what he means. "Neutral" could mean a lot of things. Neutral means anywhere where he gets a response to gold and nothing else.
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5th May 2007, 12:55 AM	#505
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,381	Originally Posted by BillyJoe SezMe, Says who? (No, I mean it. Why can edge not have a little side issue going if he wants. While we wait for the main game to resume.) BJ Hey, he can have as many side issues going as he likes. edge can be entertaining with his other interests and, as I stated in my post, I have absolutely no problem with him opening as many threads as he wants to discuss those interests. But this thread in the MDC forum should be devoted to his current challenge...and ONLY to that challenge.

5th May 2007, 02:07 AM	#506
BillyJoe Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MOOROOLBARK Posts: 12,539	YES SlR!
	__________________ A secular society is one in which no one loses any liberty as a consequence of someone else's religious beliefs. NB Allowing yourself to get led around the nose by a person like Craig is a losing strategy. SH Morality is a social coating around a Darwinian core. JC My joke about freewill: There is no basis for it.

5th May 2007, 04:15 AM	#507
GzuzKryzt Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 6,367	Originally Posted by SezMe Hey, he can have as many side issues going as he likes. edge can be entertaining with his other interests and, as I stated in my post, I have absolutely no problem with him opening as many threads as he wants to discuss those interests. But this thread in the MDC forum should be devoted to his current challenge...and ONLY to that challenge. Originally Posted by GzuzKryzt We should not expect much different from Mr. Sacagawea. We should expect one more journey around the sun filled with excuses, evasion, fish tales, the whole shebangabang. Everything but evidence for his dowsing abilities. Why refine a protocol for a possible Million Dollar award, when you could simply ramble about levitating keys?
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5th May 2007, 06:39 PM	#509
Paulhoff You can't expect perfection. Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 12,570	Originally Posted by edge If true then the copper veins must have some sort of charge? A charge? When in the ground, please........ Paul And I see you're up to name calling again, please don't be childless.
	__________________ For our money "IN WHICH GOD DO YOU TRUST" Much worse than the Question not asked, is the Answer not Given Don't accept an answer that can't be questioned - God is Surperfluous A society fails when ignorance outweighs knowledge Science doesn’t know everything, but religion doesn’t know anything Life is so horrent and also so beautiful, but without it there is nothing

5th May 2007, 07:05 PM	#510
BillyJoe Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MOOROOLBARK Posts: 12,539	Grammatical Error Alert! Originally Posted by Paulhoff A charge? When in the ground, please........ A charge? When in the ground? Please....
	__________________ A secular society is one in which no one loses any liberty as a consequence of someone else's religious beliefs. NB Allowing yourself to get led around the nose by a person like Craig is a losing strategy. SH Morality is a social coating around a Darwinian core. JC My joke about freewill: There is no basis for it.

6th May 2007, 05:04 AM	#511
Paulhoff You can't expect perfection. Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 12,570	Originally Posted by BillyJoe A charge? When in the ground? Please.... If I wanted it that way I would have done it that way, "When in the ground" was not a question thank-you it was a statement............... Paul
	__________________ For our money "IN WHICH GOD DO YOU TRUST" Much worse than the Question not asked, is the Answer not Given Don't accept an answer that can't be questioned - God is Surperfluous A society fails when ignorance outweighs knowledge Science doesn’t know everything, but religion doesn’t know anything Life is so horrent and also so beautiful, but without it there is nothing

6th May 2007, 06:12 AM	#512
BillyJoe Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MOOROOLBARK Posts: 12,539	Originally Posted by Paulhoff If I wanted it that way I would have done it that way, "When in the ground" was not a question thank-you it was a statement............... Okay, I can see that, but I'll have to trust you meant that. Don't know if I do.
	__________________ A secular society is one in which no one loses any liberty as a consequence of someone else's religious beliefs. NB Allowing yourself to get led around the nose by a person like Craig is a losing strategy. SH Morality is a social coating around a Darwinian core. JC My joke about freewill: There is no basis for it.

6th May 2007, 07:06 AM	#513
rtalman Muse Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 835	Originally Posted by BillyJoe edge Like e.e. cummings? Sorry, my bad, billyjoe.
rtalman Muse Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 835	__________________ Re-education Camp Director: What's better than a big juicy steak? Camp Detainees: Nothing is better than a big juicy steak! Re-education Camp Director: And what's better than nothing? Camp Detainees: A stale piece of bread is better than nothing! Re-education Camp Director: Therefore a stale piece of bread is better than a big juicy steak.

7th May 2007, 09:48 AM	#514
CynicalSkeptic Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: state of denial Posts: 1,374	Originally Posted by edge If a skeptic has that kind of power then where does it come from? Hell maybe a skeptic should take the challenge. Sounds good. Here's my claim: I have the power to nullify anyone's paranormal powers. i.e. when I am present during a controlled, double-blinded, demonstration of supernatural powers, those powers will fail to pass the demonstration. Where's my $1M?

7th May 2007, 10:50 AM	#515
GzuzKryzt Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 6,367	Originally Posted by CynicalSkeptic Sounds good. Here's my claim: I have the power to nullify anyone's paranormal powers. i.e. when I am present during a controlled, double-blinded, demonstration of supernatural powers, those powers will fail to pass the demonstration. Where's my $1M? Check's in the mail. I sent edge one, too. (The last sentence reads for BillyJoe: I sent edge one two.)
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7th May 2007, 06:14 PM	#516
edge Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where my two best friends are, in here now. Posts: 5,249	Originally Posted by CynicalSkeptic Sounds good. Here's my claim: I have the power to nullify anyone's paranormal powers. i.e. when I am present during a controlled, double-blinded, demonstration of supernatural powers, those powers will fail to pass the demonstration. Where's my $1M? Luckly dowsing is not paranormal. I'll take that bet lets go mining.
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