Anyone with YouTube account! Important!

Bell · 19th September 2007, 01:57 AM

Can anyone with a YouTube account PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE report the following video as inappropriate?

I don't have an account, so can't do it myself.

The video is made by some MOFU who thought it funny to put the song "it's raining men" over video of people falling out of the WTC.

Don't watch the video if that's not your kind of humor.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...38976086246224

scissorhands · 19th September 2007, 02:04 AM

Ive reported it.
Sick teenagers are always posting **** like this.

quixotecoyote · 19th September 2007, 02:07 AM

You know, I thought I might get a sick laugh out of that, but it is stomach turning.

Bell · 19th September 2007, 02:07 AM

Thanks man!

Wartrac · 19th September 2007, 02:26 AM

I'll buy a coffee for the first person that can pick out my comment.

scissorhands · 19th September 2007, 02:32 AM

scrunt07 by any chance?
No need for a coffee, did you report it?
I dont know how youtube works but I imagine they take notice to lots of complaints.

Bell · 19th September 2007, 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by scissorhands

scrunt07 by any chance?
No need for a coffee, did you report it?
I dont know how youtube works but I imagine they take notice to lots of complaints.

I guess so. So if everyone with an account will report this, so much the better.

Bell · 19th September 2007, 02:46 AM

The MOFU's MySpace page:
http://www.myspace.com/youmustnotmiss

Originally Posted by MOFU

7 sep 2007

making the 9/11 raining men video

i will say even when i began making this video i was offended but after repeated viewings of my video i began to laugh and laugh and laugh. in order to get through tragedies with magnitudes such as 9/11 we need to look back and laugh at it crying about year after year isn't going to bring those people back. people have asked me would you like it if someone added music in the background while you fall to your death. well i dont think ill care since ill be you know DEAD! if there is a heaven or a hell why the **** would you care at all your in the *********** AFTERLIFE you've got bigger problems and if there isn't an afterlife well your not going to care at all.

He has NO IDEA what he is talking about.

scissorhands · 19th September 2007, 02:51 AM

I wonder if he would appreciate someone taking a video of his mothers or fathers violent death and putting some funky music to it then posting it all over the net?

Bet he wouldnt be laughing so much then.

buka001 · 19th September 2007, 02:53 AM

This kid needs a beating. A sever one. More than juts an attitude adjusting clap.

Wartrac · 19th September 2007, 03:00 AM

Yes I am the Scruntster......lol.

I am fighting the urge to ramble on about this cause what I want to say doesn't belong in this forum.

Let's just say as a parent I disgusted with a lot of other parents in this country. A lot of times I don't blame the kids because parents should be teaching them conseqence, humility and understanding there is more out there than their perceived little universe.

If one of my sons did that, regardless is he was 14 or 40, he would have a very small issue. As a comedian I once saw once said...........I can't make you not do that, but I CAN make you wish you didn't.

But alas we live in the " kids get time outs" generation.

Sword_Of_Truth · 19th September 2007, 03:11 AM

Originally Posted by buka001

This kid needs a beating. A sever one. More than juts an attitude adjusting clap.

Time to get out the snow shovel.

ETA: I clicked on "Flag as inappropriate" and selected "Other Terms of Use violation". Neither graphic violence nor hate speech seemed to fit right.

scissorhands · 19th September 2007, 03:21 AM

Theyve flagged it so you need to have an account confirming birthdate as over 18.
Obviously thats not good enough so I have reported it again as "other terms of use violation" instead of "graphic violence".
Clearly they dont actually look at the video if you dont specify this?

Sword_Of_Truth · 19th September 2007, 03:21 AM

NSFW: foul language, no nudity or violence (used spoiler tags cuz nsfw didn't work).

Edited by chillzero:

Fixed NSFW tags.
Advisory note to all: The tag has the format "NSFW=<label>" "/NSFW" You need to add the label, or it won't work.

Oliver · 19th September 2007, 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by Bell

Can anyone with a YouTube account PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE report the following video as inappropriate?

I don't have an account, so can't do it myself.

The video is made by some MOFU who thought it funny to put the song "it's raining men" over video of people falling out of the WTC.

Don't watch the video if that's not your kind of humor.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...38976086246224

I have an account at YouTube - but quite frankly, Bell - I didn't
report it since I believe in "freedom of expression" - no matter
how ugly the consequences are...

Bell · 19th September 2007, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by Oliver

I have an account at YouTube - but quite frankly, Bell - I didn't
report it since I believe in "freedom of expression" - no matter
how ugly the consequences are...

Not to derail this thread in a discussion about "freedom of expression" but there are limits to how people should express themselfs. In this particulair case it has to do with respect for the victims and their relatives.

The MOFU who made the video, was not expressing himself, he is pissing on the graves of the people who fell to their death only for his own amusement.

Oliver · 19th September 2007, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by Bell

Not to derail this thread in a discussion about "freedom of expression" but there are limits to how people should express themselfs. In this particulair case it has to do with respect for the victims and their relatives.

The MOFU who made the video, was not expressing himself, he is pissing on the graves of the people who fell to their death only for his own amusement.

Well, but this is the downside of Freedom of expression/speech.
My point was - either you believe in these freedoms - or you try
to censor them, contradicting your believes concerning these
freedoms...

Bell · 19th September 2007, 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by Bell

Not to derail this thread in a discussion about "freedom of expression"

Originally Posted by Oliver

Well, but this is the downside of Freedom of expression/speech.
My point was - either you believe in these freedoms - or you try
to censor them, contradicting your believes concerning these
freedoms...

<--- Discussion about freedom of speech/expression thattaway.

Oliver · 19th September 2007, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by Bell

<--- Discussion about freedom of speech/expression thattaway.

Where is "Thattaway"? PM? But I guess you know what I mean - so
I don't want to derail this thread either...

scissorhands · 19th September 2007, 03:56 AM

I think youtube would beg to differ.
They regularly remove offensive videos of all kinds.
He could always host it on his own site and see how things work out.

Civilized Worm · 19th September 2007, 04:31 AM

What's all the fuss about? Did someone make an image of the prophet? Burn the infidels!

Bell · 19th September 2007, 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by Civilized Worm

What's all the fuss about? Did someone make an image of the prophet? Burn the infidels!

SpaceMonkeyZero · 19th September 2007, 06:10 AM

I got into a fight with a friend once that sent me a link to WTC coverage sped up with the benny hill theme song. I decked him in the face when I saw him and told him it wasn't funny, and he laughed at me. It was 2002 or something i think.

We haven't talked since... and I don't regret it.

SpaceMonkeyZero · 19th September 2007, 06:12 AM

Originally Posted by Civilized Worm

What's all the fuss about? Did someone make an image of the prophet? Burn the infidels!

Well, it's one thing to make fun of people getting their panties in a bunch about a portrait of a prophet from 1400 years ago... And another to get pissed off at someone disrespecting people who died 6 years ago and their families are still around.

Par · 19th September 2007, 06:33 AM

While the poster of the video in question is, in my opinion, obviously an unpleasant little scumbag and video itself sick and extremely offensive, I’ve got to say I won’t be reporting it. Technicalities such as Google’s terms of service aside (I’m not familiar with them), the way I see it, this qualifies as a borderline taste issue. That said:

Originally Posted by Oliver

I have an account at YouTube - but quite frankly, Bell - I didn't report it since I believe in "freedom of expression" - no matter
how ugly the consequences are.

This is not simply a free-expression issue. This fellow indeed has the right to create this clip and so forth, but he does not have a right for Google to provide the vehicle for its distribution. Common mistake.

Par · 19th September 2007, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkeyZero

Well, it's one thing to make fun of people getting their panties in a bunch about an invisible pedoprophet from 1400 years ago... And another to get pissed off at someone disrespecting people who died 6 years ago and their families are still around.

At the risk of sounding glib, all the above really seems to say is: “Censor the things that I find offensive, but not the things that other people find offensive.”

SpaceMonkeyZero · 19th September 2007, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by Par

At the risk of sounding glib, all the above really seems to say is: “Censor the things that I find offensive, but not the things that other people find offensive.”

Nah... It takes 22.3 years before a tragedy can be joked about.

Totovader · 19th September 2007, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by Par

At the risk of sounding glib, all the above really seems to say is: “Censor the things that I find offensive, but not the things that other people find offensive.”

Par - as you already pointed out, it's not censorship.

Par · 19th September 2007, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by Totovader

Par - as you already pointed out, it's not censorship.

I knew I shouldn't have removed the following from the end of my last post: "In any event, it’s somewhat academic given it’s not a free-expression issue." I was simply referring to a hypothetical comparison with the Mohammed cartoons, etc.

fuelair · 19th September 2007, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Oliver

Well, but this is the downside of Freedom of expression/speech.
My point was - either you believe in these freedoms - or you try
to censor them, contradicting your believes concerning these
freedoms...

Actually you.....permanantly adjust .....the person doing them. Which, if one of the victims had been friend or family, I would happily do.

Wartrac · 19th September 2007, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by Oliver

I have an account at YouTube - but quite frankly, Bell - I didn't
report it since I believe in "freedom of expression" - no matter
how ugly the consequences are...

Ok.....and I agree with you to an extent. Let's forget the rediculous poor taste and the fact this moron should be flogged. If it's an event that someone could sue someone for mental anguish etc would it still be cover under the 1st amendment?

Freedom of speech only covers you if you are not causing harm to others. And IMO this crosses that line.

Frankly I would give up my freedom and take the 3 hots and a cot to show this person why it's in very poor taste.

Sabrina · 19th September 2007, 07:15 AM

I tried clicking on the link; it says it's been flagged as inappropriate per YouTube's user community, so apparently it worked, but they haven't removed it, just made it difficult to access.

I should point out I don't have a YouTube account and have no intention of getting one.

SpaceMonkeyZero · 19th September 2007, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by Oliver

I have an account at YouTube - but quite frankly, Bell - I didn't
report it since I believe in "freedom of expression" - no matter
how ugly the consequences are...

Freedom of expression gives you the right to condemn something... no matter how ugly the consequences are. It's a 2 way street you know.

Freedom of speech/expression also does not guarantee the right to an audience.

Spins · 19th September 2007, 07:26 AM

I must admit if one of the people that fell or jumped from the Twin Towers was a relative of mine I'm sure I wouldn't be happy about it being posted on You Tube for comedy value. Why stop there though, what about the sickening Iraqi hostage decapitations with music for everyone to laugh at, I'm sure some ultra left wing nut will complain about freedom of speech/expression when they are removed.

Par · 19th September 2007, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by Wartrac

Ok.....and I agree with you to an extent. Let's forget the rediculous poor taste and the fact this moron should be flogged. If it's an event that someone could sue someone for mental anguish etc would it still be cover under the 1st amendment?Freedom of speech only covers you if you are not causing harm to others. And IMO this crosses that line. Frankly I would give up my freedom and take the 3 hots and a cot to show this person why it's in very poor taste.

Well, I’m sure that the “manipulate the legal system and if that doesn’t work, take matters into your own hands” sentiment mirrors fairly precisely what the mad Imams and their acolytes were saying about the Motoons. In any event, see above, in this case it’s not a free-speech issue.

Bell · 19th September 2007, 07:27 AM

I'm not against making jokes about 9/11, there are some funny ones around (most likely not by troofers, since they lack a sense of humor), just take a look at these boards. I'm sure there even are one or two jokes on behalve of the victims I could laugh about. Thing being, it is about context. What are you trying to achieve?

Showing videos of people falling to their deaths whilst playing "it's raining man" can achieve nothing more than being offensive.

Bell · 19th September 2007, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by Spins

I must admit if one of the people that fell or jumped from the Twin Towers was a relative of mine I'm sure I wouldn't be happy about it being posted on You Tube for comedy value. Why stop there though, what about the sickening Iraqi hostage decapitations with music for everyone to laugh at, I'm sure some ultra left wing nut will complain about freedom of speech/expression when they are removed.

Even without the music, I don't understand why such videos should be on YouTube for the whole world to see? What is the entertainment value of seeing someone getting killed?

Spins · 19th September 2007, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Bell

Even without the music, I don't understand why such videos should be on YouTube for the whole world to see? What is the entertainment value of seeing someone getting killed?

There is none and I've always found material of this nature distasteful to say the least. I actually know a few people who have, on rare occasions, a morbid fascination for some of this stuff, but it's not for me I'm afraid and I just tell them I'm not interested whilst explaining imagine if that was a loved one of yours. In fact I remember the Nick Berg killing in Iraq, apparently the parents already knew about the circumstances of his death but a few days later when members of the media started to turn up at their doorstep telling them that the video had been posted on the Internet they were devastated, it's not entertainment. That's my 10p worth anyways.

LordoftheLeftHand · 19th September 2007, 07:51 AM

I admit I had to chuckle. I didn't laugh because of the subject matter, I laughed at peoples reactions to it.

Unpopular speech needs the most protection and this has got to be one of the most unpopular things I've ever seen. I think flagging it as inappropriate as a warning to people who will be easily offended is fine. I would never support banning it.

LLH

tkingdoll · 19th September 2007, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Bell

Even without the music, I don't understand why such videos should be on YouTube for the whole world to see? What is the entertainment value of seeing someone getting killed?

It's precisely because these sites are for the whole world, and not just the USA, that's why. Yes, it's extremely distasteful by your standards. But people in other countries may find it hilarious. Offense and respect are incredibly subjective, locally as well as internationally. And nearly 100% of the population of the world is not related to a victim of 9/11.

The comparison with the Muhammed cartoons is extremely apt. Many people think it's laughable that a set of people can be so offended by something, they would call for the death penalty for those causing the offense. But look at the violent wishes expressed in this thread. There is no difference. Many Muslims have as much respect for Muhammed as you do for the victims of 9/11. If you can find their hysteria strange, perhaps others can find yours strange.

Either way, I think people should be careful with subjective terms like 'respect' and 'offense', particularly when it comes to a global audience.

19th September 2007, 01:57 AM	#1
Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 20,486	Anyone with YouTube account! Important! Can anyone with a YouTube account PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE report the following video as inappropriate? I don't have an account, so can't do it myself. The video is made by some MOFU who thought it funny to put the song "it's raining men" over video of people falling out of the WTC. Don't watch the video if that's not your kind of humor. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...38976086246224
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19th September 2007, 02:04 AM	#2
scissorhands Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,537	Ive reported it. Sick teenagers are always posting **** like this.
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19th September 2007, 02:07 AM	#3
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19th September 2007, 02:07 AM	#4
Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 20,486	Thanks man!
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19th September 2007, 02:26 AM	#5
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19th September 2007, 02:32 AM	#6
scissorhands Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,537	scrunt07 by any chance? No need for a coffee, did you report it? I dont know how youtube works but I imagine they take notice to lots of complaints.

19th September 2007, 02:37 AM	#7
Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 20,486	Originally Posted by scissorhands scrunt07 by any chance? No need for a coffee, did you report it? I dont know how youtube works but I imagine they take notice to lots of complaints. I guess so. So if everyone with an account will report this, so much the better.
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19th September 2007, 02:46 AM	#8
Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 20,486	The MOFU's MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/youmustnotmiss Originally Posted by MOFU 7 sep 2007 making the 9/11 raining men video i will say even when i began making this video i was offended but after repeated viewings of my video i began to laugh and laugh and laugh. in order to get through tragedies with magnitudes such as 9/11 we need to look back and laugh at it crying about year after year isn't going to bring those people back. people have asked me would you like it if someone added music in the background while you fall to your death. well i dont think ill care since ill be you know DEAD! if there is a heaven or a hell why the ** would you care at all your in the ********* AFTERLIFE you've got bigger problems and if there isn't an afterlife well your not going to care at all. He has NO IDEA what he is talking about.
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19th September 2007, 02:51 AM	#9
scissorhands Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,537	I wonder if he would appreciate someone taking a video of his mothers or fathers violent death and putting some funky music to it then posting it all over the net? Bet he wouldnt be laughing so much then.

19th September 2007, 02:53 AM	#10
buka001 Thinker Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sunny South Africa Posts: 205	This kid needs a beating. A sever one. More than juts an attitude adjusting clap.

19th September 2007, 03:00 AM	#11
Wartrac Thinker Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 165	Yes I am the Scruntster......lol. I am fighting the urge to ramble on about this cause what I want to say doesn't belong in this forum. Let's just say as a parent I disgusted with a lot of other parents in this country. A lot of times I don't blame the kids because parents should be teaching them conseqence, humility and understanding there is more out there than their perceived little universe. If one of my sons did that, regardless is he was 14 or 40, he would have a very small issue. As a comedian I once saw once said...........I can't make you not do that, but I CAN make you wish you didn't. But alas we live in the " kids get time outs" generation.
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19th September 2007, 03:11 AM	#12
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Originally Posted by buka001 This kid needs a beating. A sever one. More than juts an attitude adjusting clap. Time to get out the snow shovel. ETA: I clicked on "Flag as inappropriate" and selected "Other Terms of Use violation". Neither graphic violence nor hate speech seemed to fit right.
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19th September 2007, 03:21 AM	#13
scissorhands Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,537	Theyve flagged it so you need to have an account confirming birthdate as over 18. Obviously thats not good enough so I have reported it again as "other terms of use violation" instead of "graphic violence". Clearly they dont actually look at the video if you dont specify this?
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19th September 2007, 03:40 AM	#15
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by Bell Can anyone with a YouTube account PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE report the following video as inappropriate? I don't have an account, so can't do it myself. The video is made by some MOFU who thought it funny to put the song "it's raining men" over video of people falling out of the WTC. Don't watch the video if that's not your kind of humor. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...38976086246224 I have an account at YouTube - but quite frankly, Bell - I didn't report it since I believe in "freedom of expression" - no matter how ugly the consequences are...

19th September 2007, 03:47 AM	#16
Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 20,486	Originally Posted by Oliver I have an account at YouTube - but quite frankly, Bell - I didn't report it since I believe in "freedom of expression" - no matter how ugly the consequences are... Not to derail this thread in a discussion about "freedom of expression" but there are limits to how people should express themselfs. In this particulair case it has to do with respect for the victims and their relatives. The MOFU who made the video, was not expressing himself, he is pissing on the graves of the people who fell to their death only for his own amusement.
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19th September 2007, 03:49 AM	#17
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by Bell Not to derail this thread in a discussion about "freedom of expression" but there are limits to how people should express themselfs. In this particulair case it has to do with respect for the victims and their relatives. The MOFU who made the video, was not expressing himself, he is pissing on the graves of the people who fell to their death only for his own amusement. Well, but this is the downside of Freedom of expression/speech. My point was - either you believe in these freedoms - or you try to censor them, contradicting your believes concerning these freedoms...

19th September 2007, 03:53 AM	#18
Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 20,486	Originally Posted by Bell Not to derail this thread in a discussion about "freedom of expression" Originally Posted by Oliver Well, but this is the downside of Freedom of expression/speech. My point was - either you believe in these freedoms - or you try to censor them, contradicting your believes concerning these freedoms... <--- Discussion about freedom of speech/expression thattaway.
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19th September 2007, 03:55 AM	#19
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by Bell <--- Discussion about freedom of speech/expression thattaway. Where is "Thattaway"? PM? But I guess you know what I mean - so I don't want to derail this thread either...

19th September 2007, 03:56 AM	#20
scissorhands Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,537	I think youtube would beg to differ. They regularly remove offensive videos of all kinds. He could always host it on his own site and see how things work out.

19th September 2007, 04:31 AM	#21
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19th September 2007, 04:38 AM	#22
Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 20,486	Originally Posted by Civilized Worm What's all the fuss about? Did someone make an image of the prophet? Burn the infidels!
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19th September 2007, 06:10 AM	#23
SpaceMonkeyZero Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: hi Barb!!!!! Posts: 1,287	I got into a fight with a friend once that sent me a link to WTC coverage sped up with the benny hill theme song. I decked him in the face when I saw him and told him it wasn't funny, and he laughed at me. It was 2002 or something i think. We haven't talked since... and I don't regret it.
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19th September 2007, 06:12 AM	#24
SpaceMonkeyZero Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: hi Barb!!!!! Posts: 1,287	Originally Posted by Civilized Worm What's all the fuss about? Did someone make an image of the prophet? Burn the infidels! Well, it's one thing to make fun of people getting their panties in a bunch about a portrait of a prophet from 1400 years ago... And another to get pissed off at someone disrespecting people who died 6 years ago and their families are still around.
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19th September 2007, 06:33 AM	#25
Par Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 2,769	While the poster of the video in question is, in my opinion, obviously an unpleasant little scumbag and video itself sick and extremely offensive, I’ve got to say I won’t be reporting it. Technicalities such as Google’s terms of service aside (I’m not familiar with them), the way I see it, this qualifies as a borderline taste issue. That said: Originally Posted by Oliver I have an account at YouTube - but quite frankly, Bell - I didn't report it since I believe in "freedom of expression" - no matter how ugly the consequences are. This is not simply a free-expression issue. This fellow indeed has the right to create this clip and so forth, but he does not have a right for Google to provide the vehicle for its distribution. Common mistake.

19th September 2007, 06:37 AM	#26
Par Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 2,769	Originally Posted by SpaceMonkeyZero Well, it's one thing to make fun of people getting their panties in a bunch about an invisible pedoprophet from 1400 years ago... And another to get pissed off at someone disrespecting people who died 6 years ago and their families are still around. At the risk of sounding glib, all the above really seems to say is: “Censor the things that I find offensive, but not the things that other people find offensive.”

19th September 2007, 06:42 AM	#27
SpaceMonkeyZero Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: hi Barb!!!!! Posts: 1,287	Originally Posted by Par At the risk of sounding glib, all the above really seems to say is: “Censor the things that I find offensive, but not the things that other people find offensive.” Nah... It takes 22.3 years before a tragedy can be joked about.

19th September 2007, 06:52 AM	#28
Totovader Game Warden Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 2,240	Originally Posted by Par At the risk of sounding glib, all the above really seems to say is: “Censor the things that I find offensive, but not the things that other people find offensive.” Par - as you already pointed out, it's not censorship.
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19th September 2007, 06:57 AM	#29
Par Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 2,769	Originally Posted by Totovader Par - as you already pointed out, it's not censorship. I knew I shouldn't have removed the following from the end of my last post: "In any event, it’s somewhat academic given it’s not a free-expression issue." I was simply referring to a hypothetical comparison with the Mohammed cartoons, etc.

19th September 2007, 07:02 AM	#30
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by Oliver Well, but this is the downside of Freedom of expression/speech. My point was - either you believe in these freedoms - or you try to censor them, contradicting your believes concerning these freedoms... Actually you.....permanantly adjust .....the person doing them. Which, if one of the victims had been friend or family, I would happily do.
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19th September 2007, 07:11 AM	#31
Wartrac Thinker Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 165	Originally Posted by Oliver I have an account at YouTube - but quite frankly, Bell - I didn't report it since I believe in "freedom of expression" - no matter how ugly the consequences are... Ok.....and I agree with you to an extent. Let's forget the rediculous poor taste and the fact this moron should be flogged. If it's an event that someone could sue someone for mental anguish etc would it still be cover under the 1st amendment? Freedom of speech only covers you if you are not causing harm to others. And IMO this crosses that line. Frankly I would give up my freedom and take the 3 hots and a cot to show this person why it's in very poor taste.
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19th September 2007, 07:15 AM	#32
Sabrina Wicked Lovely Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spinning through space Posts: 6,874	I tried clicking on the link; it says it's been flagged as inappropriate per YouTube's user community, so apparently it worked, but they haven't removed it, just made it difficult to access. I should point out I don't have a YouTube account and have no intention of getting one.
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19th September 2007, 07:16 AM	#33
SpaceMonkeyZero Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: hi Barb!!!!! Posts: 1,287	Originally Posted by Oliver I have an account at YouTube - but quite frankly, Bell - I didn't report it since I believe in "freedom of expression" - no matter how ugly the consequences are... Freedom of expression gives you the right to condemn something... no matter how ugly the consequences are. It's a 2 way street you know. Freedom of speech/expression also does not guarantee the right to an audience.
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19th September 2007, 07:26 AM	#34
Spins Muse Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 652	I must admit if one of the people that fell or jumped from the Twin Towers was a relative of mine I'm sure I wouldn't be happy about it being posted on You Tube for comedy value. Why stop there though, what about the sickening Iraqi hostage decapitations with music for everyone to laugh at, I'm sure some ultra left wing nut will complain about freedom of speech/expression when they are removed.
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19th September 2007, 07:27 AM	#35
Par Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 2,769	Originally Posted by Wartrac Ok.....and I agree with you to an extent. Let's forget the rediculous poor taste and the fact this moron should be flogged. If it's an event that someone could sue someone for mental anguish etc would it still be cover under the 1st amendment?Freedom of speech only covers you if you are not causing harm to others. And IMO this crosses that line. Frankly I would give up my freedom and take the 3 hots and a cot to show this person why it's in very poor taste. Well, I’m sure that the “manipulate the legal system and if that doesn’t work, take matters into your own hands” sentiment mirrors fairly precisely what the mad Imams and their acolytes were saying about the Motoons. In any event, see above, in this case it’s not a free-speech issue.

19th September 2007, 07:31 AM	#37
Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 20,486	Originally Posted by Spins I must admit if one of the people that fell or jumped from the Twin Towers was a relative of mine I'm sure I wouldn't be happy about it being posted on You Tube for comedy value. Why stop there though, what about the sickening Iraqi hostage decapitations with music for everyone to laugh at, I'm sure some ultra left wing nut will complain about freedom of speech/expression when they are removed. Even without the music, I don't understand why such videos should be on YouTube for the whole world to see? What is the entertainment value of seeing someone getting killed?
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