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Homeopath pleads guilty to malpractice
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The Reno Gazette Journal Doctor says he's guilty of malpractice JACLYN O'MALLEY JOMALLEY@RGJ.COM September 24, 2007 A Carson City "anti-aging" doctor has pleaded guilty to malpractice for failing to diagnose an elderly patient with the cancer that ultimately killed him. It is Dr. Frank Anthony Shallenberger's second discipline by the Nevada Board of Medical Examiners in 12 years. Shallenberger's plea last week regarding patient David Horton's care came on the heels of the board's dismissal of another family's complaint related to Shallenberger's treatment of their sister, Ellen Gallagher, of Sacramento, who died on Labor Day 2006.
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Why isn't this thread titled "Allopath/Homeopath Who Used Alternative Medicine Pleads Guilty to Malpractice"?
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It will be interesting to see how the homeopathic medical board handles the Gallagher case.
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Why, then does that word appear in my 1986 Webster's New World Dictionary? The definition is "a person who practices or advocates allopathy." "Allopathy", in turn, is defined as "treatment of disease by remedies that produce effects different from or opposite to those produced by the disease: loosely applied to the general practice of medicine today, but in strict usage opposed to homeopathy."
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Does that really sound like the definition of a modern medical doctor to you?
The word was invented by the same guy who invented homeopathy. He invented it so he had a shorthand description of his critics when he wanted to have a good rant. Just like we skeptics here use the word "woo". |
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What seems unbelievable is that despite the quack "doctor" having failed to investigate his symptoms, necessitating a diagnosis by proper doctors at the point when he had advanced cancer, this man went back to the quack for more of the same woo. You'd think: Once bitten... but it appears not.
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"Reci bobu bob a popu pop." - Tanja "Everything is physics. This does not mean that physics is everything." - Cuddles "The entire practice of homeopathy can be substituted with the advice to "take two aspirins and call me in the morning." - Linda "Homeopathy: I never knew there was so little in it." - BSM |
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Exactly. Just as Hans said. That definition seems good to me, it just lacks the information "by homoeopaths and other cranks" after the word "applied". I rest my case. I never studied "allopathy", nobody has ever called me an "allopath", and I would never refer to myself by that term. This is true for everyone qualified in actual medicine. Do you seriously think real medicine involves "treatment of disease by remedies that produce effects different from or opposite to those produced by the disease"? Don't be silly. If that term applies to anything at all, it applies to the mediaeval theories of the four humours and purging and bloodletting and so on, or to perhaps Hindu Ayurvedic "medicine". Not to modern, evidence-based pharmacotherapeutic medicine. I think your original point was perhaps meant to highlight two things. First, that the guilty party was a qualified real doctor. So he was. Sadly, a small proportion of real doctors and real vets in every country embrace the woo. He's still a homoeopath. Second, the description of what he did to the patients didn't anywhere seem to cover anything recognisable as actual homoeopathy. True. Once rationality goes overboard, many of these people mix and match a number of whackjob approaches and therapies. However, he was definitely a homoeopath, even if it wasn't homoeopathy he was practising on these particular patients. How about renaming the thread "Woo-woo medic qualified in homoeopathy pleads guilty to malpractice"? Sadly, a medical degree doesn't confer immunity from being a total crank. It's to the shame of the medical and veterinary regulators that such people are allowed to capitalise on their education by offering whackjob therapies to the gullible public. (Let's hear it for the Swedish veterinary regulatory body, they know how to handle it!) But this is still an alternative medicine story, not a real medicine story. Rolfe. |
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So homeopaths infiltrated Webster's two decades ago as part of a conspiracy to discredit conventional medicine?
![]() But why single out homeopathy in the title, as if that has something to do with the malpractice? How about "Medical Doctor/Homeopath Who Used Alternative Medicine Pleads Guilty to Malpractice"? How does the Swedish veterinary regulatory body handle it? I agree there, but "alternative medicine" encompasses a wide variety of treatments, some of which are harmful, others of which are useless, and others of which may be superior to conventional medicine in some cases; e.g., see http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=94262 |
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Webster's is merely giving a fairly accurate definition of how the word is used. In summary, "allopathy" is "that which is not homoeopathy". Which is how homoeopaths, who originally coined the term, use the word. It has filtered out a bit into more general usage, but it most certainly isn't a recognised term for pharmacotherapeutic medicine. It's just an insult, coined by Hahnemann, sometimes used naively by people who don't understand its real meaning or origin. In Sweden, you will be struck off the veterinary register if you use homoeopathy. Rolfe. |
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It's been so long since you challenged fls' point that you've even forgotten what you challenged. Suffice it to say that I don't care and that I want to debate you even less than that.
Read fls' post and then your post and someday maybe you'll remember what you were thinking. I can read. I'm not sure about you, though.
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It has everything to do with why he got away with something that would have resulted in a suspended (if not revoked) license with any other doctor.
And I don't think you can assume they are independent. It seems to me that the kind of thinking that leads one to choose to practice homeopathy is also the kind of thinking that leads to malpractice type errors. And the knowledge that he has immunity against being held responsible for these errors may influence the level of care he takes to ensure he is giving the best advice. Linda |
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First of all, I never made the claim that homeopaths are found guilty of malpractice. In most areas of practice, how could they be? Even where they do operate as a professional, the standards of practice for a homeopath are such than nobody could fail to meet them. They can only be guilty of malpractice as evaluated by the standards of the medical profession. And in most places they are not held to those standards.
They may be guilty of medical malpractice, but there is no mechanism (or the mechanism is impotent) in place to find them guilty. Comparing the websites for the Nevada State Board of Medical Examiners with the Nevada State Board of Homeopathic Medical Examiners, I can find dozens of reports on complaint investigations and actions taken by the NSBME, while the Homeopathic Board seems to be focussed on lobbying to make it easier for CAM practitioners to operate. I searched through the minutes of their hearings and was disgusted by what I found. Physicians denied "allopathic" licenses (because of multiple episodes of malpractice and/or felony convictions) applying for homeopathic licenses and getting approved, complaints summarily dismissed, devices summarily approved. And I only found one aborted complaint investigation from 5 years ago. They seem to have no interest whatsoever in holding their practioners to any sort of standards. That speaks volumes right there. Linda |
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Aaaarghhh!!!
That's my point. The homeopathic board doesn't find their doctors guilty of malpractice (I can't find any indication they ever have) despite incredibly gross negligence. They clearly have no interest whatsoever in ensuring quality care to patients. That is only one of the incredible ironies about the DIM industry claims. Linda |
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It's not possible to tell, as it's not possible to determine the numerator. If a physician is licensed as a homeopath in Nevada, and a complaint is filed against them in regards to patient care, that physician determines whether their practice in that case fell under homeopathic or "allopathic" practice. Since "allopathic" complaints are all investigated and repercussions can be severe, while there have never been any repercussions from a homeopathic complaint, it is a simple matter to make the complaint go away by declaring you were providing homeopathic treatment in that case (it doesn't matter whether the treatment was homeopathy or not). It then falls outside of the jurisdiction of the medical board and so cannot even be registered. This is consistent with the listing of disciplinary proceedings on the Nevada State Board of Medical Examiners site. The disciplinary actions against homeopaths by the medical board only involved violations unrelated to patient care.
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That's what he did do in the Ellen Gallagher case. And it worked (hence my comment that he used homeopathy to get away with being a piss-poor doctor). It looks like they found a detail in the Horton case that couldn't be subject to his Get Out Of Jail Free card, and used that to secure a guilty plea. You will notice that they only charged him with one specific act of malpractice when the description is of several separate acts of malpractice.
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But you stated in your previous post that "it is a simple matter to make the complaint go away by declaring you were providing homeopathic treatment in that case (it doesn't matter whether the treatment was homeopathy or not)." Obviously, based on Shallenberger's plea, it isn't always possible to do that. According to the deputy general counsel for the Nevada State Board of Medical Examiners, Ed Cousineau, "there is no definitive line that says one treatment is medical and the other homeopathic. But peers review complaints and decide whether the doctor's treatment of the patient was reasonable."
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Yeah, Al Capone forgot to pay his taxes.
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"i'm frankly surprised homeopathy does as well as placebo" Anonymous homeopath. "Alas, to wear the mantle of Galileo it is not enough that you be persecuted by an unkind establishment; you must also be right." (Robert Park) Is the pen is mightier than the sword? Its effectiveness as a weapon is certainly enhanced if it is sharpened properly and poked in the eye of your opponent. |
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On the subject of homoeopaths/medical doctors and disciplinary actions, perhaps it is worth noting the difference in attitudes of two UK homoeopathic bodies towards malaria prevention, as mentioned here:
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The Society of Homeopaths is a body for non-medically regulated homoeopaths, who are only answerable to the SoH. The Faculty, on the other hand, is a "professional body for doctors and other statutorily regulated healthcare professionals", whose members are also regulated by non-homoeopathic professional bodies. |
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