Front page, NY Times--Tania Head's story

Mercutio · 27th September 2007, 06:20 AM

A Tale of 9/11 Survival, but the Pieces Don't Fit

Quote:

As a matter of history, Ms. Head’s account made her one of only 19 survivors who had been at or above the point of impact when the planes hit. As a matter of emotion, her story deeply moved audiences like college students to whom she spoke and visitors at ground zero, where she has long led tours for the Tribute W.T.C. Visitor Center for visitors including Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani and former Gov. George E. Pataki.

“What I witnessed there I will never forget,” she told a gathering at Baruch College at a memorial event in 2006. “It was a lot of death and destruction, but I also saw hope.”

Much of Ms. Head’s account was posted on the Web site of the World Trade Center Survivors’ Network, a nonprofit organization for which she served as president and as point person for corporate donations.

But no part of her story, it turns out, has been verified.

The family and friends of the man to whom she claimed to be engaged say they have never heard of Tania Head and view the relationship she describes with the man, who truly died in the north tower, as an impossibility.

Kaz?

ref · 27th September 2007, 06:37 AM

Very interesting.

Foolmewunz · 27th September 2007, 06:47 AM

How truly sad.

ref · 27th September 2007, 07:06 AM

Quote:

For several weeks, colleagues who said they respected the good work she had done as a fixture in the survivor community have pressed her to come forward with clarifying details. But they said that they had been unable to persuade her or, in other cases, that she made representations that contradicted previous versions she had given.

Does this remind you of a certain William R. Anyone?

Alareth · 27th September 2007, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by Mercutio

A Tale of 9/11 Survival, but the Pieces Don't Fit

Kaz?

RSLancaster is our Kaz expert. Maybe PM him the thread and see if he recognizes the quotes.

CurtC · 27th September 2007, 07:48 AM

This is Tania Head:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/...or.xlarge1.jpg

And this is Kaz:
http://stopkaz.com/who/podium.gif

They look different to me.

I guess it shouldn't be surprising that there are one or two people in the world who are so out of touch with reality that they would concoct this fantasy story.

Alareth · 27th September 2007, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by CurtC

This is Tania Head:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/...or.xlarge1.jpg

And this is Kaz:
http://stopkaz.com/who/podium.gif

They look different to me.

I guess it shouldn't be surprising that there are one or two people in the world who are so out of touch with reality that they would concoct this fantasy story.

How long has she been promoting her story? Could she be a copycat?

Mercutio · 27th September 2007, 08:20 AM

The part that made me know it was not Kaz:

Quote:

No one has suggested that Ms. Head did anything to profit financially from her position as an officer with the Survivors’ Network, the nonprofit group for which she helped to raise money.

Gravy · 27th September 2007, 10:54 AM

Jeez, how sad.

Brainster · 27th September 2007, 10:58 AM

The New York Times should take up the story of fake "family member" Sabrina Rivera.

Spindrift · 27th September 2007, 11:35 AM

I'm just surprised that there aren't a lot more of these people.

It's like those who claim to be at an event. A lot of the time it's relatively harmless, such as a claiming to be at the first Super Bowl. But something like this is beyond sad, it's pathetic.

fuelair · 27th September 2007, 12:16 PM

I was at the crowning of King Babar!! A lovely elephant King he was.

GreNME · 27th September 2007, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Gravy

Jeez, how sad.

I was thinking more along the lines of "criminal." This level of fraud is disturbing in that it has affected families of real survivors. If this truly is a fraud, this lady needs a long induced stay at a hospital for what she's done, IMO.

sophia8 · 27th September 2007, 12:52 PM

Yes, it's sad. There are plenty of cases of people claiming to be survivors of trauma - fake war veterans, even fake Holocaust survivors.
I'm surprised this - and Kaz - are the only cases of a fake 9/11 survivor that has been uncovered. I predict there will be more.

Arus808 · 27th September 2007, 12:53 PM

wow, anyone have the full story? I think i missed it originally to know what is really going on.

T.A.M. · 27th September 2007, 12:59 PM

this seems to be a case of mental illness...I hope someone is helping her.

TAM

Mercutio · 27th September 2007, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Arus808

wow, anyone have the full story? I think i missed it originally to know what is really going on.

Does the link in the OP not work for you?

Gravy · 27th September 2007, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by sophia8

I'm surprised this - and Kaz - are the only cases of a fake 9/11 survivor that has been uncovered. I predict there will be more.

There have been many, many cases of 9/11 survivor fraud, and some faked deaths, as well as fake charity scams. Those are known because they were based on personal financial gain and were prosecuted, so this story is unusual.

Gravy · 27th September 2007, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Mercutio

Does the link in the OP not work for you?

Arus is scamming you.

leftysergeant · 27th September 2007, 01:13 PM

Two fat, ugly, middle-aged women have found a way to be the center of attention. What is surprising here?

Nim Chimpsky · 27th September 2007, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Two fat, ugly, middle-aged women have found a way to be the center of attention. What is surprising here?

http://www.cnn.com/US/9810/13/virgin.mary.01/index.html

http://www.terrijay.com/

http://www.soul-coaching.com/

http://www.hayhouseradio.com/hosts.php?author_id=80

Need I go on?

sts60 · 27th September 2007, 02:22 PM

Oh, man, lefty, I always look forward to your posts, but that was a little disappointing.

At least in Ms. Head's case (I haven't looked at the "Kaz" reference), this seems like a woman who genuinely wanted to do good and be part of something bigger than herself. It's sad, but given that she has apparently done a lot of good work and not profited personally, your dismissal seems unduly harsh. After all, there are a lot of people of all types who misrepresent themselves for nothing more than fame.

And, no, I have no vested interest in the case. I'm a fat middle-aged guy.

Alt+F4 · 27th September 2007, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by sts60

At least in Ms. Head's case (I haven't looked at the "Kaz" reference), this seems like a woman who genuinely wanted to do good and be part of something bigger than herself. It's sad, but given that she has apparently done a lot of good work and not profited personally, your dismissal seems unduly harsh. After all, there are a lot of people of all types who misrepresent themselves for nothing more than fame.

And, no, I have no vested interest in the case. I'm a fat middle-aged guy.

Well as a fat middle-aged woman myself, I think this "woman" is a pathetic piece of garbage. How could anyone be so selfish as to pretend to be the fiance of a real victim? How much hurt must this be causing to that poor man's faimily? She doesn't give a [rule 10] for anyone but herself.

Mercutio · 27th September 2007, 04:32 PM

Looks like the story will be on ABC news tonight as well... Should be a version on their website after the show.

T.A.M. · 27th September 2007, 05:49 PM

that picture of Cindy and Chavez makes me cringe....TAKE IT AWAY...MY EYES...MY EYES!!!!

EeneyMinnieMoe · 27th September 2007, 06:13 PM

You know, I think I've heard of Tania Head before. The name really rings a bell. I'm think it could possibly have been in an article about Ground Zero tours.

This is neither her or there and I admit a pretty bad thing to say but everytime I see Cindy Sheehan, I'm reminded of Droopy Dog. I'm very, very, very sorry but she looks like blond, 6 foot tall basset hound as a soccer mom.

Hyperviolet · 27th September 2007, 06:22 PM

If she was simply lying about her experience in the towers for non-personal gain, i'd be miffed, but not overly concerned.

However, when she goes round the country lying that she was engaged to a victim, to the anxiety of his family, then i find it very troubling.

What would possess someone to do such a thing?

sts60 · 27th September 2007, 06:52 PM

I dunno. I don't think we can relate. Mental illness?

leftysergeant · 27th September 2007, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by sts60

I dunno. I don't think we can relate. Mental illness?

I'll buy that.

Foolmewunz · 27th September 2007, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Hyperviolet

If she was simply lying about her experience in the towers for non-personal gain, i'd be miffed, but not overly concerned.

However, when she goes round the country lying that she was engaged to a victim, to the anxiety of his family, then i find it very troubling.

What would possess someone to do such a thing?

This is why my comment above reads - "How truly sad."

IMHO, this is a Walter Mitty-esque person who likely thought (if she thought about it at all - I suspect it's pathological behaviour), "What's the harm? I'm helping people, aren't I? And if I get my moment in the sun, all the better for me?"

Pathological liars have a tendency to get caught up in their fantasies and actually believe them. I want to think that she just had great sympathy for what the family members were going through, and wanted so much to be a part of it that she got carried away. Taking over a small and loosely constructed volunteer organization by force of one's character is not a difficult thing. And pathological liars can be very convincing, even charismatic.

Eventually, though, one lie leads to another than another until the whole sand castle crumbles from its own weight.

I feel for the people involved, but I think the family of the misappropriated fiance suffered nothing compared to what she's going to go through (and obviously what she's been through to have this sort of condition).

Mercutio · 28th September 2007, 07:54 AM

Hmph. Of all the stories on abcnews.com, this is the only one they did not include video for. How will the troothers ever research it?

Story, no vid.

timhau · 28th September 2007, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by sts60

I dunno. I don't think we can relate. Mental illness?

Pity/compassion junkie? Sort of along the lines of Münchausen by proxy?

Mercutio · 28th September 2007, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by timhau

Pity/compassion junkie? Sort of along the lines of Münchausen by proxy?

Actually, this would be just Münchausen syndrome--no proxy to it. But not so much the feigning of an illness as of a trauma.

Very interesting idea--I am loathe to put labels to behavior, because as soon as we do we often think we have explained it. But Münchausen is my favorite, because of the movie...

timhau · 28th September 2007, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by Mercutio

Actually, this would be just Münchausen syndrome--no proxy to it.

Yeah. Absolutely. Duh. Someone posted before thinking.

SpaceMonkeyZero · 28th September 2007, 08:59 AM

The question is... 6 years later, does she believe she was a survivor, or has all this time, she been dreading the day she'd be found out?

She could become the hero of the truther movement if she wants to. "NWO Destroyed my record of employment, and brainwashed my fiance's family into forgetting about me!!!"

sts60 · 28th September 2007, 09:48 AM

The story is a good example of "Telling the truth means never having to keep track of what you said". When she started making stories up, it was inevitable that she'd start contradicting herself. Not to mention contradicting observed reality (e.g., her "fiance's" family never having heard of her).

I like to think I'm too honest to do that sort of thing, but I know I'd also be too afraid - and certain - of getting caught. People who do this have some serious denial going on. And that's my final armchair-psychologist conclusion.

timhau · 28th September 2007, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by sts60

The story is a good example of "Telling the truth means never having to keep track of what you said". When she started making stories up, it was inevitable that she'd start contradicting herself.

Yeah, if it's stories. If she had just one story she made up and worked over so it was internally consistent, that could work, or at least it'd work longer than multiple stories. That would, however, sound a lot like intentional, planned-out fraud, which is sort of odd if she's received no financial gain from her actions. I'm no psychiatrist, but it would stand to reason that multiple stories are a sign of constant confabulation, making up stories for each occasion based on what would get the best response from her target audience. That may give you a nice rush in the short term, but in the long term it's going to get you into trouble.

LashL · 28th September 2007, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Mercutio

Story, no vid.

Her dishonest actions, while not, apparently, undertaken for personal financial gain, were not without cost to legitimate victims of the events of 9/11.

Originally Posted by the linked story

"I've heard her story over and over," said Janice Cilento, a social worker and board member of the World Trade Center Survivors' Network.
"I've been there anytime she needed someone to listen, even if it was at three in the morning. She has stolen my time and my soul," she said.

Cilento said many of the network's members "feel very upset and betrayed.

"We have members who thought Tania's trauma was so extreme they did not want to discuss their own. They gave their time to help her, and she didn't even need it," she said.

Lurker · 28th September 2007, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Spindrift

It's like those who claim to be at an event. A lot of the time it's relatively harmless, such as a claiming to be at the first Super Bowl. But something like this is beyond sad, it's pathetic.

What an amazing coincidence. I was at the first Super Bowl. Of course, your interpretation of the word "at" is probably a bit stricter than mine. Mine being within 2062 miles of the venue.

dudalb · 28th September 2007, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

that picture of Cindy and Chavez makes me cringe....TAKE IT AWAY...MY EYES...MY EYES!!!!

CIndy's credibility is so low that a lot of people in the Anti War movement have more or less seperated themselved from her.
I cut her slack because of a lot her actions are rooted in grief,but still she has pretty much destroyed her credibility.

27th September 2007, 06:20 AM	#1
Mercutio Shakespeare's Sock Puppet Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Live Free Or Die Posts: 16,329	Front page, NY Times--Tania Head's story A Tale of 9/11 Survival, but the Pieces Don't Fit Quote: As a matter of history, Ms. Head’s account made her one of only 19 survivors who had been at or above the point of impact when the planes hit. As a matter of emotion, her story deeply moved audiences like college students to whom she spoke and visitors at ground zero, where she has long led tours for the Tribute W.T.C. Visitor Center for visitors including Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani and former Gov. George E. Pataki. “What I witnessed there I will never forget,” she told a gathering at Baruch College at a memorial event in 2006. “It was a lot of death and destruction, but I also saw hope.” Much of Ms. Head’s account was posted on the Web site of the World Trade Center Survivors’ Network, a nonprofit organization for which she served as president and as point person for corporate donations. But no part of her story, it turns out, has been verified. The family and friends of the man to whom she claimed to be engaged say they have never heard of Tania Head and view the relationship she describes with the man, who truly died in the north tower, as an impossibility. Kaz?
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27th September 2007, 06:37 AM	#2
ref Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,538	Very interesting.
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27th September 2007, 06:47 AM	#3
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 10,131	How truly sad.
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27th September 2007, 07:06 AM	#4
ref Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,538	Quote: For several weeks, colleagues who said they respected the good work she had done as a fixture in the survivor community have pressed her to come forward with clarifying details. But they said that they had been unable to persuade her or, in other cases, that she made representations that contradicted previous versions she had given. Does this remind you of a certain William R. Anyone?
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27th September 2007, 07:36 AM	#5
Alareth Sarcasm Distribution System Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mississippi Posts: 4,047	Originally Posted by Mercutio A Tale of 9/11 Survival, but the Pieces Don't Fit Kaz? RSLancaster is our Kaz expert. Maybe PM him the thread and see if he recognizes the quotes.
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27th September 2007, 07:48 AM	#6
CurtC Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 4,248	This is Tania Head: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/...or.xlarge1.jpg And this is Kaz: http://stopkaz.com/who/podium.gif They look different to me. I guess it shouldn't be surprising that there are one or two people in the world who are so out of touch with reality that they would concoct this fantasy story.
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27th September 2007, 07:58 AM	#7
Alareth Sarcasm Distribution System Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mississippi Posts: 4,047	Originally Posted by CurtC This is Tania Head: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/...or.xlarge1.jpg And this is Kaz: http://stopkaz.com/who/podium.gif They look different to me. I guess it shouldn't be surprising that there are one or two people in the world who are so out of touch with reality that they would concoct this fantasy story. How long has she been promoting her story? Could she be a copycat?
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27th September 2007, 08:20 AM	#8
Mercutio Shakespeare's Sock Puppet Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Live Free Or Die Posts: 16,329	The part that made me know it was not Kaz: Quote: No one has suggested that Ms. Head did anything to profit financially from her position as an officer with the Survivors’ Network, the nonprofit group for which she helped to raise money.
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27th September 2007, 10:54 AM	#9
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,063	Jeez, how sad.
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27th September 2007, 10:58 AM	#10
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27th September 2007, 11:35 AM	#11
Spindrift Recovering Catholic Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 1,079	I'm just surprised that there aren't a lot more of these people. It's like those who claim to be at an event. A lot of the time it's relatively harmless, such as a claiming to be at the first Super Bowl. But something like this is beyond sad, it's pathetic.
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27th September 2007, 12:42 PM	#13
GreNME Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 6,412	Originally Posted by Gravy Jeez, how sad. I was thinking more along the lines of "criminal." This level of fraud is disturbing in that it has affected families of real survivors. If this truly is a fraud, this lady needs a long induced stay at a hospital for what she's done, IMO.

27th September 2007, 12:52 PM	#14
sophia8 Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Scottishland Posts: 1,697	Yes, it's sad. There are plenty of cases of people claiming to be survivors of trauma - fake war veterans, even fake Holocaust survivors. I'm surprised this - and Kaz - are the only cases of a fake 9/11 survivor that has been uncovered. I predict there will be more.
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27th September 2007, 12:53 PM	#15
Arus808 Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,811	wow, anyone have the full story? I think i missed it originally to know what is really going on.
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27th September 2007, 12:59 PM	#16
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27th September 2007, 01:03 PM	#17
Mercutio Shakespeare's Sock Puppet Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Live Free Or Die Posts: 16,329	Originally Posted by Arus808 wow, anyone have the full story? I think i missed it originally to know what is really going on. Does the link in the OP not work for you?
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27th September 2007, 01:08 PM	#18
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,063	Originally Posted by sophia8 I'm surprised this - and Kaz - are the only cases of a fake 9/11 survivor that has been uncovered. I predict there will be more. There have been many, many cases of 9/11 survivor fraud, and some faked deaths, as well as fake charity scams. Those are known because they were based on personal financial gain and were prosecuted, so this story is unusual.
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27th September 2007, 01:09 PM	#19
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,063	Originally Posted by Mercutio Does the link in the OP not work for you? Arus is scamming you.
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27th September 2007, 01:13 PM	#20
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Two fat, ugly, middle-aged women have found a way to be the center of attention. What is surprising here?

27th September 2007, 02:14 PM	#21
Nim Chimpsky Thinker Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 153	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Two fat, ugly, middle-aged women have found a way to be the center of attention. What is surprising here? http://www.cnn.com/US/9810/13/virgin.mary.01/index.html http://www.terrijay.com/ http://www.soul-coaching.com/ http://www.hayhouseradio.com/hosts.php?author_id=80 Need I go on?
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27th September 2007, 02:22 PM	#22
sts60 Muse Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 568	Oh, man, lefty, I always look forward to your posts, but that was a little disappointing. At least in Ms. Head's case (I haven't looked at the "Kaz" reference), this seems like a woman who genuinely wanted to do good and be part of something bigger than herself. It's sad, but given that she has apparently done a lot of good work and not profited personally, your dismissal seems unduly harsh. After all, there are a lot of people of all types who misrepresent themselves for nothing more than fame. And, no, I have no vested interest in the case. I'm a fat middle-aged guy.
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27th September 2007, 02:50 PM	#23
Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 4,852	Originally Posted by sts60 At least in Ms. Head's case (I haven't looked at the "Kaz" reference), this seems like a woman who genuinely wanted to do good and be part of something bigger than herself. It's sad, but given that she has apparently done a lot of good work and not profited personally, your dismissal seems unduly harsh. After all, there are a lot of people of all types who misrepresent themselves for nothing more than fame. And, no, I have no vested interest in the case. I'm a fat middle-aged guy. Well as a fat middle-aged woman myself, I think this "woman" is a pathetic piece of garbage. How could anyone be so selfish as to pretend to be the fiance of a real victim? How much hurt must this be causing to that poor man's faimily? She doesn't give a [rule 10] for anyone but herself.
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27th September 2007, 04:32 PM	#24
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27th September 2007, 05:49 PM	#25
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27th September 2007, 06:13 PM	#26
EeneyMinnieMoe Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,704	You know, I think I've heard of Tania Head before. The name really rings a bell. I'm think it could possibly have been in an article about Ground Zero tours. This is neither her or there and I admit a pretty bad thing to say but everytime I see Cindy Sheehan, I'm reminded of Droopy Dog. I'm very, very, very sorry but she looks like blond, 6 foot tall basset hound as a soccer mom.

27th September 2007, 06:22 PM	#27
Hyperviolet Damnum Fatale Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Glaschu Posts: 988	If she was simply lying about her experience in the towers for non-personal gain, i'd be miffed, but not overly concerned. However, when she goes round the country lying that she was engaged to a victim, to the anxiety of his family, then i find it very troubling. What would possess someone to do such a thing?
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27th September 2007, 06:52 PM	#28
sts60 Muse Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 568	I dunno. I don't think we can relate. Mental illness?
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27th September 2007, 07:20 PM	#29
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Originally Posted by sts60 I dunno. I don't think we can relate. Mental illness? I'll buy that.

27th September 2007, 09:59 PM	#30
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 10,131	Originally Posted by Hyperviolet If she was simply lying about her experience in the towers for non-personal gain, i'd be miffed, but not overly concerned. However, when she goes round the country lying that she was engaged to a victim, to the anxiety of his family, then i find it very troubling. What would possess someone to do such a thing? This is why my comment above reads - "How truly sad." IMHO, this is a Walter Mitty-esque person who likely thought (if she thought about it at all - I suspect it's pathological behaviour), "What's the harm? I'm helping people, aren't I? And if I get my moment in the sun, all the better for me?" Pathological liars have a tendency to get caught up in their fantasies and actually believe them. I want to think that she just had great sympathy for what the family members were going through, and wanted so much to be a part of it that she got carried away. Taking over a small and loosely constructed volunteer organization by force of one's character is not a difficult thing. And pathological liars can be very convincing, even charismatic. Eventually, though, one lie leads to another than another until the whole sand castle crumbles from its own weight. I feel for the people involved, but I think the family of the misappropriated fiance suffered nothing compared to what she's going to go through (and obviously what she's been through to have this sort of condition).
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28th September 2007, 07:54 AM	#31
Mercutio Shakespeare's Sock Puppet Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Live Free Or Die Posts: 16,329	Hmph. Of all the stories on abcnews.com, this is the only one they did not include video for. How will the troothers ever research it? Story, no vid.
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28th September 2007, 08:03 AM	#32
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: East of Sweeden Posts: 3,479	Originally Posted by sts60 I dunno. I don't think we can relate. Mental illness? Pity/compassion junkie? Sort of along the lines of Münchausen by proxy?
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28th September 2007, 08:15 AM	#33
Mercutio Shakespeare's Sock Puppet Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Live Free Or Die Posts: 16,329	Originally Posted by timhau Pity/compassion junkie? Sort of along the lines of Münchausen by proxy? Actually, this would be just Münchausen syndrome--no proxy to it. But not so much the feigning of an illness as of a trauma. Very interesting idea--I am loathe to put labels to behavior, because as soon as we do we often think we have explained it. But Münchausen is my favorite, because of the movie...
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28th September 2007, 08:18 AM	#34
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: East of Sweeden Posts: 3,479	Originally Posted by Mercutio Actually, this would be just Münchausen syndrome--no proxy to it. Yeah. Absolutely. Duh. Someone posted before thinking.
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28th September 2007, 08:59 AM	#35
SpaceMonkeyZero Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: hi Barb!!!!! Posts: 1,285	The question is... 6 years later, does she believe she was a survivor, or has all this time, she been dreading the day she'd be found out? She could become the hero of the truther movement if she wants to. "NWO Destroyed my record of employment, and brainwashed my fiance's family into forgetting about me!!!"