My 2004 Prediction has come true...Commercials now will play your video.

EGarrett · 30th September 2007, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by EGarrett

Moving on...I don't see file-sharing going away any time soon. The genie is out of the bottle. Likewise, TiVO and similar technology will stay around...but the products distributed themselves will most likely change. That means that you're going to see more and more commercials aired DURING a tv program...in crawls on different parts of the screen or pop-up fashion. That way advertisers can still be sure that customers are seeing their offer and the free-TV system can survive.

That also includes music. If things don't change...I wouldn't be surprised to hear short voice over ads or sounds in music. For example..."Have you driven a Ford lately?" playing at a random point in some future album by Janet Jackson.

As announced by Youtube last month...2008 will see them doing exactly this.

If only I could attribute to psychic power...

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/adtastic/...ips-292122.php

Alareth · 1st October 2007, 08:46 AM

In a semi-related note, every couple of years lobbyist's get someone in congress to propose legislation that would make it illegal to skip the 10 minutes of advertisements that appear at the beginning of some DVD's

ponderingturtle · 1st October 2007, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by Alareth

In a semi-related note, every couple of years lobbyist's get someone in congress to propose legislation that would make it illegal to skip the 10 minutes of advertisements that appear at the beginning of some DVD's

How have their efforts at making movie rental as illegal as CD and computer program rental going?

petra10 · 1st October 2007, 03:44 PM

Very clever EGarret,now if only you had taken up the million dollar challenge.
Thats the best prediction I have seen.

Puppycow · 1st October 2007, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

How have their efforts at making movie rental as illegal as CD and computer program rental going?

In Japan you can rent movies (videos or DVDs) and music CDs, but not console games. IIRC, in the US you can rent console games but not music CDs. I wonder why the difference? Simply because the game industry has relatively more clout here?

Cain · 2nd October 2007, 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by EGarrett

As announced by Youtube last month...2008 will see them doing exactly this.

If only I could attribute to psychic power...

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/adtastic/...ips-292122.php

Wow, how ever did you see that one coming, Nostradamus? What tipped you off other than, you know, world-wide trends for the last fifty years?

NBC is back this fall season with the same great shows you reluctantly watched last year! "Heroes" adds to its already sprawling cast. Is there love in the stars for Pam and Jim? Watch the show everyone is talking about -- the new Bionic Woman!

Darth Rotor · 2nd October 2007, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Cain

Wow, how ever did you see that one coming, Nostradamus? What tipped you off other than, you know, world-wide trends for the last fifty years?

NBC is back this fall season with the same great shows you reluctantly watched last year! "Heroes" adds to its already sprawling cast. Is there love in the stars for Pam and Jim? Watch the show everyone is talking about -- the new Bionic Woman!

Good banner.

For my money, the 70's version of Bionic Woman didn't need a remake. It was just fine in the grave, where it belonged.

The Six Million Dollar Man will be resurrected as a night time drama about the life and times of a journeman NBA player, on ESPN2 this winter

DR

Cain · 2nd October 2007, 12:41 PM

Let me say something about Lindsay Wagner: I'd do her, but only on a Sleep Number bed. My setting is 31, her setting is 38, but together it's magic. Later we can invite Amanda to jump up and down and not spill a glass of red wine.

F-You, Baltimore
........................If you're dumb enough to buy a new car this weekend
.................................................. ..................................... Then you're a big enough schmuck to go to Youtube and search for "Big Bill Hell's Cars"

EGarrett · 2nd October 2007, 05:56 PM

Could a mod edit the word "over" into the topic line in the appropriate place? ("will now play over your video") Thanks.

Originally Posted by Cain

Wow, how ever did you see that one coming, Nostradamus? What tipped you off other than, you know, world-wide trends for the last fifty years?

Actually, this was more common in the 50's (commercials during the program, and hosts taking time to talk about a sponsor) than later. It hasn't been a direct increase that would make a prediction easy. Furthermore, there are alternative scenarios that could have occurred. Also, I've included that product placement or advertisements will begin during songs and music, which has no major precedent to my knowledge.

Originally Posted by petra10

Very clever EGarret,now if only you had taken up the million dollar challenge.
Thats the best prediction I have seen.

Gracias...I'm interested to see if/when the music industry takes this huge step.

Originally Posted by Alareth

In a semi-related note, every couple of years lobbyist's get someone in congress to propose legislation that would make it illegal to skip the 10 minutes of advertisements that appear at the beginning of some DVD's

DVD content is paid for by the consumer, so I don't see how they have a leg to stand on compared to television, which must rely on advertising. Seems like they're just looking for a way to get congress to back them up by enforcing uniform standards of lesser-quality for more money for the company.

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

Good banner.

For my money, the 70's version of Bionic Woman didn't need a remake. It was just fine in the grave, where it belonged.

The Six Million Dollar Man will be resurrected as a night time drama about the life and times of a journeman NBA player, on ESPN2 this winter

DR

It was clever when he did it. You copying him...no.

Cain · 3rd October 2007, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by EGarrett

Could a mod edit the word "over" into the topic line in the appropriate place? ("will now play over your video") Thanks.

Actually, this was more common in the 50's (commercials during the program, and hosts taking time to talk about a sponsor) than later. It hasn't been a direct increase that would make a prediction easy.

This has naturally been anticipated for a long while, so I do not see how your prediction is remotely novel. Why do people buy a Tivo? 1) Because it makes nonsense of "appointment" television; 2) They can skip over the commercials. Huge media conglomerates are naturally hostile to such technologies, and this is essentially a replay of the video tape argument from the 80s. Product placement has been around for a long while, and was notably criticized back in the 80s by Mark Crispin Miller (among others). We've also seen more and more advertisements for regular products before movies in the last ten years at theaters. People have been speculating about advertisements in books.

Quote:

Furthermore, there are alternative scenarios that could have occurred. Also, I've included that product placement or advertisements will begin during songs and music, which has no major precedent to my knowledge.

I'll grant you this prediction, provided you're claiming that a product advertisement will appear mid-song, and I don't mean a corporation paying the "artists" to sneak something into her lyrics, but an actual disruptive advertisement over the music. People will not tolerate that. Everyone is making the transition to MP3 and editing software will allow user-created versions to be superior to the sold copy. Saying "buy a Ford" has been done. On the Colbert Report Stephen poked fun at Tobey Keith for including a Ford advertisement in the CD booklet.

Quote:

DVD content is paid for by the consumer, so I don't see how they have a leg to stand on compared to television, which must rely on advertising. Seems like they're just looking for a way to get congress to back them up by enforcing uniform standards of lesser-quality for more money for the company.

Companies argue that they have multiple revenue streams, and commercial sponsorship keeps the prices of DVDs low for the consumer in the first place. People pay for products by devoting their time and attention to an advertiser. Also, see the above Keith example: do you think it should be illegal for his record label to put in the advertisement since you're paying for the CD? If anything I lean toward the "prediction" that entertainment media companies will move more toward licensing their content to regular consumers so that people do not actually "own" stuff in the manner they are accustomed.

Jimcalagon · 3rd October 2007, 08:25 AM

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That also includes music. If things don't change...I wouldn't be surprised to hear short voice over ads or sounds in music. For example..."Have you driven a Ford lately?" playing at a random point in some future album by Janet Jackson.

I have in my possession an album called "Flaunt It" by Sigue Sigue Sputnik, released in 1986, which has adverts between the tracks. It was big news in the UK at the time.

30th September 2007, 09:40 PM	#1
EGarrett Master Poster Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,979	My 2004 Prediction has come true...Commercials now will play your video. Originally Posted by EGarrett Moving on...I don't see file-sharing going away any time soon. The genie is out of the bottle. Likewise, TiVO and similar technology will stay around...but the products distributed themselves will most likely change. That means that you're going to see more and more commercials aired DURING a tv program...in crawls on different parts of the screen or pop-up fashion. That way advertisers can still be sure that customers are seeing their offer and the free-TV system can survive. That also includes music. If things don't change...I wouldn't be surprised to hear short voice over ads or sounds in music. For example..."Have you driven a Ford lately?" playing at a random point in some future album by Janet Jackson. As announced by Youtube last month...2008 will see them doing exactly this. If only I could attribute to psychic power... http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/adtastic/...ips-292122.php
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1st October 2007, 08:46 AM	#2
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1st October 2007, 03:44 PM	#4
petra10 Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: scotland uk Posts: 1,796	Very clever EGarret,now if only you had taken up the million dollar challenge. Thats the best prediction I have seen.
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Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 15,775	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle How have their efforts at making movie rental as illegal as CD and computer program rental going? In Japan you can rent movies (videos or DVDs) and music CDs, but not console games. IIRC, in the US you can rent console games but not music CDs. I wonder why the difference? Simply because the game industry has relatively more clout here?
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2nd October 2007, 12:32 AM	#6
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,938	Originally Posted by EGarrett As announced by Youtube last month...2008 will see them doing exactly this. If only I could attribute to psychic power... http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/adtastic/...ips-292122.php Wow, how ever did you see that one coming, Nostradamus? What tipped you off other than, you know, world-wide trends for the last fifty years? NBC is back this fall season with the same great shows you reluctantly watched last year! "Heroes" adds to its already sprawling cast. Is there love in the stars for Pam and Jim? Watch the show everyone is talking about -- the new Bionic Woman!
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2nd October 2007, 08:25 AM	#7
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,264	Originally Posted by Cain Wow, how ever did you see that one coming, Nostradamus? What tipped you off other than, you know, world-wide trends for the last fifty years? NBC is back this fall season with the same great shows you reluctantly watched last year! "Heroes" adds to its already sprawling cast. Is there love in the stars for Pam and Jim? Watch the show everyone is talking about -- the new Bionic Woman! Good banner. For my money, the 70's version of Bionic Woman didn't need a remake. It was just fine in the grave, where it belonged. The Six Million Dollar Man will be resurrected as a night time drama about the life and times of a journeman NBA player, on ESPN2 this winter DR
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2nd October 2007, 12:41 PM	#8
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2nd October 2007, 05:56 PM	#9
EGarrett Master Poster Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,979	Could a mod edit the word "over" into the topic line in the appropriate place? ("will now play over your video") Thanks. Originally Posted by Cain Wow, how ever did you see that one coming, Nostradamus? What tipped you off other than, you know, world-wide trends for the last fifty years? Actually, this was more common in the 50's (commercials during the program, and hosts taking time to talk about a sponsor) than later. It hasn't been a direct increase that would make a prediction easy. Furthermore, there are alternative scenarios that could have occurred. Also, I've included that product placement or advertisements will begin during songs and music, which has no major precedent to my knowledge. Originally Posted by petra10 Very clever EGarret,now if only you had taken up the million dollar challenge. Thats the best prediction I have seen. Gracias...I'm interested to see if/when the music industry takes this huge step. Originally Posted by Alareth In a semi-related note, every couple of years lobbyist's get someone in congress to propose legislation that would make it illegal to skip the 10 minutes of advertisements that appear at the beginning of some DVD's DVD content is paid for by the consumer, so I don't see how they have a leg to stand on compared to television, which must rely on advertising. Seems like they're just looking for a way to get congress to back them up by enforcing uniform standards of lesser-quality for more money for the company. Originally Posted by Darth Rotor Good banner. For my money, the 70's version of Bionic Woman didn't need a remake. It was just fine in the grave, where it belonged. The Six Million Dollar Man will be resurrected as a night time drama about the life and times of a journeman NBA player, on ESPN2 this winter DR It was clever when he did it. You copying him...no.
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3rd October 2007, 06:05 AM	#10
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,938	Originally Posted by EGarrett Could a mod edit the word "over" into the topic line in the appropriate place? ("will now play over your video") Thanks. Actually, this was more common in the 50's (commercials during the program, and hosts taking time to talk about a sponsor) than later. It hasn't been a direct increase that would make a prediction easy. This has naturally been anticipated for a long while, so I do not see how your prediction is remotely novel. Why do people buy a Tivo? 1) Because it makes nonsense of "appointment" television; 2) They can skip over the commercials. Huge media conglomerates are naturally hostile to such technologies, and this is essentially a replay of the video tape argument from the 80s. Product placement has been around for a long while, and was notably criticized back in the 80s by Mark Crispin Miller (among others). We've also seen more and more advertisements for regular products before movies in the last ten years at theaters. People have been speculating about advertisements in books. Quote: Furthermore, there are alternative scenarios that could have occurred. Also, I've included that product placement or advertisements will begin during songs and music, which has no major precedent to my knowledge. I'll grant you this prediction, provided you're claiming that a product advertisement will appear mid-song, and I don't mean a corporation paying the "artists" to sneak something into her lyrics, but an actual disruptive advertisement over the music. People will not tolerate that. Everyone is making the transition to MP3 and editing software will allow user-created versions to be superior to the sold copy. Saying "buy a Ford" has been done. On the Colbert Report Stephen poked fun at Tobey Keith for including a Ford advertisement in the CD booklet. Quote: DVD content is paid for by the consumer, so I don't see how they have a leg to stand on compared to television, which must rely on advertising. Seems like they're just looking for a way to get congress to back them up by enforcing uniform standards of lesser-quality for more money for the company. Companies argue that they have multiple revenue streams, and commercial sponsorship keeps the prices of DVDs low for the consumer in the first place. People pay for products by devoting their time and attention to an advertiser. Also, see the above Keith example: do you think it should be illegal for his record label to put in the advertisement since you're paying for the CD? If anything I lean toward the "prediction" that entertainment media companies will move more toward licensing their content to regular consumers so that people do not actually "own" stuff in the manner they are accustomed.
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Jimcalagon Scholar Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 93	Quote: That also includes music. If things don't change...I wouldn't be surprised to hear short voice over ads or sounds in music. For example..."Have you driven a Ford lately?" playing at a random point in some future album by Janet Jackson. I have in my possession an album called "Flaunt It" by Sigue Sigue Sputnik, released in 1986, which has adverts between the tracks. It was big news in the UK at the time.
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