New Debunk Alert: WTC Operations Mgr Confirms Rodriguez Story

RedIbis · 11th October 2007, 04:41 PM

I don't know if he's a Holocaust denier but his story confirms Rodriguez's story, and Saltalamacia reports up to at least 10 explosions throughout the building, "like grenades", "different explosions."

Listen to the end, he is completely skeptical of the official story.

And before it comes up, why people here think it's surprising that these stories come out years later, just put yourself in his position, knowing the enormous s[rule8]storm that inevitably follows telling a story that destroys the official myth.

http://911blogger.com/node/11949

Arkan_Wolfshade · 11th October 2007, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

. . .

And before it comes up, why people here think it's surprising that these stories come out years later, just put yourself in his position, knowing the enormous s[rule8]storm that inevitably follows telling a story that destroys the official myth.

http://911blogger.com/node/11949

Post hoc, ergo prompter hoc.

T.A.M. · 11th October 2007, 04:52 PM

and he could tell they were grenades (or explosives), based on what...he is an explosives expert with enough skill to distinguish I suppose...lol

TAM

T.A.M. · 11th October 2007, 04:56 PM

I like the cuts (dissolves) between different parts of the story. I guess we are suppose to take the editors word for it that the recollections within each piece dissolved together are contiguous.

TAM

NYCEMT86 · 11th October 2007, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

and he could tell they were grenades (or explosives), based on what...he is an explosives expert with enough skill to distinguish I suppose...lol

TAM

TAM, didn't you get the memo on how the NWO screwed up and put in explosives that would sound like the word "GRENADE" or "EXPLOSIVES" instead of a bang...though we are still baffled on the whole thermite issue it kept making sounds like "JONES" or it could have been "JOOS"

RedIbis · 11th October 2007, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Arkan_Wolfshade

Post hoc, ergo prompter hoc.

How very pedantic of you. I know the logical fallacies. I also know that it takes enormous courage for someone to put himself into the public reporting an account such as this.

If you need proof that any dissenting voice to the official narrative will be met with character assassination, you won't have to look far at all.

MarkyX · 11th October 2007, 05:04 PM

So 6 years later, he finally supports William? Why not then? What does he think of William's first edition of the story, which he didn't mention explosions but "rumbling" ?

And why so many massive cuts in the interview?

RedIbis · 11th October 2007, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

I like the cuts (dissolves) between different parts of the story. I guess we are suppose to take the editors word for it that the recollections within each piece dissolved together are contiguous.

TAM

Saltalamacia's estimation of at least ten explosions throughout bldg is not edited out.

DGM · 11th October 2007, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Anthony Saltalamacia was with Rodriguez in the basement. For the first time after 6 years, they meet and his recollection is taped. This is part of the upcoming video by Mr. Rodriguez.

I don't need to see any more. I want to know how they knew the exact moment the plane hit when they were in the basement.

Good Lt · 11th October 2007, 05:06 PM

Quote:

I also know that it takes enormous courage for someone to put himself into the public reporting an account such as this.

That's right. Because the margin of error in an operations manager proclaiming hearing "different explosions" - not knowing if they were in fact explosions or the differneces in types of sounds of "different explosions," or if they sounded "like grenades" (assuming he knows what grenades sound like) - is pretty slim.

http://www.911myths.com/html/account...xplosions.html
http://www.debunking911.com/explosions.htm
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...1&postcount=40

T.A.M. · 11th October 2007, 05:07 PM

Quote:

"...The amount of explosives I've heard, uh, from 8:46 to the time I got out was oh, so many, was at least 10. It was just like multiple explosions, to where I felt there was like different grenades, thats thats what it sounded LIKE, It was just different grenades being set off in the building. It was like, there was one major explosion, and then there was a, different explosions through out that period of time...."

Where does he EVER, within, imply the use of explosives. The closest I can see to that is expression of what the explosions sounded LIKE...grenades.

TAM

Crungy · 11th October 2007, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Gravey

It's more than that, really. Rodriguez tells us that he initially accepted the official version of events, and he repeatedly tells us what the official version of the basement explosion is. We know that he repeated that version as his understanding of the facts, including to NIST in a public venue in 2004. I've seen no evidence that Rodriguez made any claims of bombs in the basement and no fireball in the elevator shaft before 2005. Those claims do not appear in his 2004 lawsuit. Additionally, he tells us why he began to speak out: not because any new evidence came to light, but because he was angry at the 9/11 Commission.

If someone wrote a paper about me that contained gross errors and misrepresentations, I would make sure that those were corrected or retracted. Rodriguez cannot refute these points, since they are his own statements.

Bump for RedIbis who ignored this post in the other Willie thread.

T.A.M. · 11th October 2007, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

How very pedantic of you. I know the logical fallacies. I also know that it takes enormous courage for someone to put himself into the public reporting an account such as this.

If you need proof that any dissenting voice to the official narrative will be met with character assassination, you won't have to look far at all.

I believe every word of the quote I posted above from him. I am sure he was courageous, and I appreciate his retelling the story, but where is this man accusing anyone of anything?????

Stop grandstanding.

TAM

gumboot · 11th October 2007, 05:09 PM

I don't think anyone here disputes that there were many very loud sharp noises inside the towers, which sounded a lot like explosions.

-Gumboot

vexed · 11th October 2007, 05:13 PM

Testimonials, the best form of evidence...

BenBurch · 11th October 2007, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

How very pedantic of you. I know the logical fallacies. I also know that it takes enormous courage for someone to put himself into the public reporting an account such as this.

If you need proof that any dissenting voice to the official narrative will be met with character assassination, you won't have to look far at all.

It's not COURAGE, its LARCENY. The preponderance of evidence at this time means we can regard this story as yet another attempt to either fleece a credulous audience or to garner personal attention. At this point in time I cannot imagine this person to be innocently mistaken at all.

T.A.M. · 11th October 2007, 05:20 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzbQjd_Oo4Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYUmd...elated&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF5Hu...elated&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QpVk3NPjyA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwvgfQHpJYU
(goto 2:35 mark)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B_48...elated&search=

There are so many more....

TAM

BenBurch · 11th October 2007, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by MarkyX

So 6 years later, he finally supports William? Why not then? What does he think of William's first edition of the story, which he didn't mention explosions but "rumbling" ?...

And the Rumbling became an explosion that nearly trapped him in his office! As though anybody could have forgotten that at the first telling.

William Rodriguez is a very sad little man who has to lie to the "Truth" community to make himself important.

Lying for truth is like screwing for virginity.

Good Lt · 11th October 2007, 05:24 PM

Quote:

where is this man accusing anyone of anything?????

That's where the CT's come in!

boloboffin · 11th October 2007, 05:30 PM

Explosions != explosives.

1337m4n · 11th October 2007, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

And before it comes up, why people here think it's surprising that these stories come out years later, just put yourself in his position, knowing the enormous s[rule8]storm that inevitably follows telling a story that destroys the official myth.

Except...there's nothing in this testimony that deliberately implicates the government in any way. So there's nothing "courageous" about giving it.

LashL · 11th October 2007, 06:07 PM

Is this fellow one of the alleged witnesses whose story Rodriguez was trying to negotiate the price of with Dylan Avery?

Redtail · 11th October 2007, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

How very pedantic of you. I know the logical fallacies. I also know that it takes enormous courage for someone to put himself into the public reporting an account such as this.

If you need proof that any dissenting voice to the official narrative will be met with character assassination, you won't have to look far at all.

And I also know it takes an enormous amount of courage to organize 1,000 people for a demonstration and/or march at Ground Zero and/or DC, but to be fair, the truthers would need 1,000 people first.

Now then, how does this destroy the official report? I don't recall any of the official reports saying there were no explosions.

SDC · 11th October 2007, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

Where does he EVER, within, imply the use of explosives. The closest I can see to that is expression of what the explosions sounded LIKE...grenades.

TAM

Didn't the LC guys learn their lesson about "similes" earlier this year, thanks to the BBC? That appears to be what the fellow is using.

(And at last I can say something I've wanted to say for months: it's SIMILE, not SIMILIE, and I'll request in triplicate that the next person who misspells the former like the latter be tased. But a kinder, gentler tasing. Like.)

LashL · 11th October 2007, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

And before it comes up, why people here think it's surprising that these stories come out years later, just put yourself in his position, knowing the enormous s[rule8]storm that inevitably follows telling a story that destroys the official myth.

Except that there is nothing in his story that contradicts the "official" story, let alone "destroys" it.

On the other hand, there are parts of his story that contradict Rodriguez's story, but those could easily be attributed to the same disconnects, mis-remembering, and post hoc erroneous "filling in the blanks" that inevitably occurs with witnesses to sudden and traumatic events.

And then, of course, there is the little issue of whether or not this fellow's story is one of the stories that Rodriguez has been trying to sell. Do you know whether it is or not?

Good Lt · 11th October 2007, 07:10 PM

Where'd RedIbis go?

Too hot in the kitchen?

pomeroo · 11th October 2007, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

I don't know if he's a Holocaust denier but his story confirms Rodriguez's story, and Saltalamacia reports up to at least 10 explosions throughout the building, "like grenades", "different explosions."

Listen to the end, he is completely skeptical of the official story.

And before it comes up, why people here think it's surprising that these stories come out years later, just put yourself in his position, knowing the enormous s[rule8]storm that inevitably follows telling a story that destroys the official myth.

http://911blogger.com/node/11949

According to conspiracy liars, any account at odds with the established narrative must be correct. If the explosions sounded like grenades to the new hero, then they must have been, literally, grenades. Otherwise, as has been pointed out already, he merely reports hearing explosions. Nobody doubts that he heard explosions as--listen carefully--things were exploding.

Are you now prepared to insist that your imaginary, mathematically impossible conspiracy used grenades to bring down the Twin Towers. Will that be the latest evolution in the fantasist position?

Don't disappear on us again. Inquiring minds want to know.

JEROME DA GNOME · 11th October 2007, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by MarkyX

So 6 years later, he finally supports William? Why not then? What does he think of William's first edition of the story, which he didn't mention explosions but "rumbling" ?

And why so many massive cuts in the interview?

You sound like a troofer.

But why?
But why?
But why?

Are you connecting dots?

Arkan_Wolfshade · 11th October 2007, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

How very pedantic of you. I know the logical fallacies.

Then stop committing them.

Originally Posted by RedIbis

I also know that it takes enormous courage for someone to put himself into the public reporting an account such as this.

Like this appeal to emotion.

Originally Posted by RedIbis

If you need proof that any dissenting voice to the official narrative will be met with character assassination, you won't have to look far at all.

And this sweeping generalization.

RedIbis · 11th October 2007, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by pomeroo

According to conspiracy liars, any account at odds with the established narrative must be correct. If the explosions sounded like grenades to the new hero, then they must have been, literally, grenades. Otherwise, as has been pointed out already, he merely reports hearing explosions. Nobody doubts that he heard explosions as--listen carefully--things were exploding.

Are you now prepared to insist that your imaginary, mathematically impossible conspiracy used grenades to bring down the Twin Towers. Will that be the latest evolution in the fantasist position?

Don't disappear on us again. Inquiring minds want to know.

Allow me to cherry pick.

First, Sal. is describing the sounds he heard. When witnesses to a shooting crime, people often compare the sound to firecrackers. That's not to say they think they were firecrackers. He's not an explosives expert and used sounds he was familiar with to describe what he heard. He's describing the repetitive nature of the explosions he heard.

Secondly, I don't have endless hours to reply to every post on here. I started the thread, I won't abandon it. You can be sure of that.

The word is that this is just a short clip of longer interviews. Sal. is quite clear that he doubts the official narrative even at the end of this clip. It appears most people didn't watch the video to the end.

beachnut · 11th October 2007, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

I don't know if he's a Holocaust denier but his story confirms Rodriguez's story, and Saltalamacia reports up to at least 10 explosions throughout the building, "like grenades", "different explosions."

Listen to the end, he is completely skeptical of the official story.

And before it comes up, why people here think it's surprising that these stories come out years later, just put yourself in his position, knowing the enormous s[rule8]storm that inevitably follows telling a story that destroys the official myth.

http://911blogger.com/node/11949

Where are the dead people from the grenade blasts? OH, you said sounds like, not really the same is it. Darn another BS post about BS by people who heard loud noises that never produced the blast effects of Explosions. Why are there no blast effects from the sound like grenades and 10 explosions? Why?

T.A.M. · 11th October 2007, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

The word is that this is just a short clip of longer interviews. Sal. is quite clear that he doubts the official narrative even at the end of this clip. It appears most people didn't watch the video to the end.

Too bad he has been influenced by the snake oil salesmen then. If he thinks the Towers were brought down by CD then he has been grossly misled by someone, so my condolences go out to his common sense.

TAM

MarkyX · 11th October 2007, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

You sound like a troofer.

But why?
But why?
But why?

Are you connecting dots?

You aren't very sharp, are you?

JEROME DA GNOME · 11th October 2007, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by MarkyX

You aren't very sharp, are you?

Like a tack.

Are you implying that you were attempting to preform a mockery?

Why the implied insult towards me?

T.A.M. · 11th October 2007, 08:46 PM

how does one "preform" a mockery?

Where was the "implied" insult, I didn't see anything implied?

TAM

jsfisher · 11th October 2007, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by vexed

Testimonials, the best form of evidence...

Hey, don't be knocking testimonials. They work for Ron Popeil, now don't they, and that annoying guy that sells that Oxy stuff.

JEROME DA GNOME · 11th October 2007, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

how does one "preform" a mockery?

Where was the "implied" insult, I didn't see anything implied?

TAM

http://www.m-w.com/

Here is where you can look up the words. If you put words together they create a coherent thought called a sentence.

What is with the hostility in this thread?

Is there a membership ritual for this thread I am unaware of?

jsfisher · 11th October 2007, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

Is there a membership ritual for this thread I am unaware of?

At 92 posts, JEROME DA GNOME, a belated welcome.

No, there is no ritual, but you will find everyone here is fairly unique in posting style and confrontational potential -- usually based on topic. Enjoy the variety.

Slayhamlet · 11th October 2007, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

http://www.m-w.com/

Here is where you can look up the words. If you put words together they create a coherent thought called a sentence.

What is with the hostility in this thread?

Is there a membership ritual for this thread I am unaware of?

Erm, you started with the hostility, and you expect others not to bite back?

T.A.M. · 11th October 2007, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

http://www.m-w.com/

Here is where you can look up the words. If you put words together they create a coherent thought called a sentence.

What is with the hostility in this thread?

Is there a membership ritual for this thread I am unaware of?

I was indirectly, in a jovial way, asking if you really meant the word "preform" as opposed to "perform".

I saw no "implied" insult in Markyx's comments, so I was asking for clarification.

Trust me, I was NOT being hostile, but if you wish me to be I can.

TAM

11th October 2007, 04:41 PM	#1
RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	New Debunk Alert: WTC Operations Mgr Confirms Rodriguez Story I don't know if he's a Holocaust denier but his story confirms Rodriguez's story, and Saltalamacia reports up to at least 10 explosions throughout the building, "like grenades", "different explosions." Listen to the end, he is completely skeptical of the official story. And before it comes up, why people here think it's surprising that these stories come out years later, just put yourself in his position, knowing the enormous s[rule8]storm that inevitably follows telling a story that destroys the official myth. http://911blogger.com/node/11949
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11th October 2007, 04:51 PM	#2
Arkan_Wolfshade Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Making Mytheon come to life Posts: 7,158	Originally Posted by RedIbis . . . And before it comes up, why people here think it's surprising that these stories come out years later, just put yourself in his position, knowing the enormous s[rule8]storm that inevitably follows telling a story that destroys the official myth. http://911blogger.com/node/11949 Post hoc, ergo prompter hoc.
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NYCEMT86 Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Slums of Brooklyn Posts: 1,058	Originally Posted by T.A.M. and he could tell they were grenades (or explosives), based on what...he is an explosives expert with enough skill to distinguish I suppose...lol TAM TAM, didn't you get the memo on how the NWO screwed up and put in explosives that would sound like the word "GRENADE" or "EXPLOSIVES" instead of a bang...though we are still baffled on the whole thermite issue it kept making sounds like "JONES" or it could have been "JOOS"
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11th October 2007, 05:01 PM	#6
RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	Originally Posted by Arkan_Wolfshade Post hoc, ergo prompter hoc. How very pedantic of you. I know the logical fallacies. I also know that it takes enormous courage for someone to put himself into the public reporting an account such as this. If you need proof that any dissenting voice to the official narrative will be met with character assassination, you won't have to look far at all.
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11th October 2007, 05:04 PM	#7
MarkyX Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,158	So 6 years later, he finally supports William? Why not then? What does he think of William's first edition of the story, which he didn't mention explosions but "rumbling" ? And why so many massive cuts in the interview?
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11th October 2007, 04:52 PM	#3
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	and he could tell they were grenades (or explosives), based on what...he is an explosives expert with enough skill to distinguish I suppose...lol TAM

11th October 2007, 04:56 PM	#4
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	I like the cuts (dissolves) between different parts of the story. I guess we are suppose to take the editors word for it that the recollections within each piece dissolved together are contiguous. TAM

11th October 2007, 05:05 PM	#8
RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	Originally Posted by T.A.M. I like the cuts (dissolves) between different parts of the story. I guess we are suppose to take the editors word for it that the recollections within each piece dissolved together are contiguous. TAM Saltalamacia's estimation of at least ten explosions throughout bldg is not edited out.
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11th October 2007, 05:05 PM	#9
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,311	Quote: Anthony Saltalamacia was with Rodriguez in the basement. For the first time after 6 years, they meet and his recollection is taped. This is part of the upcoming video by Mr. Rodriguez. I don't need to see any more. I want to know how they knew the exact moment the plane hit when they were in the basement.
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11th October 2007, 05:06 PM	#10
Good Lt Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Satellite of Love Posts: 1,487	Quote: I also know that it takes enormous courage for someone to put himself into the public reporting an account such as this. That's right. Because the margin of error in an operations manager proclaiming hearing "different explosions" - not knowing if they were in fact explosions or the differneces in types of sounds of "different explosions," or if they sounded "like grenades" (assuming he knows what grenades sound like) - is pretty slim. http://www.911myths.com/html/account...xplosions.html http://www.debunking911.com/explosions.htm http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...1&postcount=40

11th October 2007, 05:07 PM	#11
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	Quote: "...The amount of explosives I've heard, uh, from 8:46 to the time I got out was oh, so many, was at least 10. It was just like multiple explosions, to where I felt there was like different grenades, thats thats what it sounded LIKE, It was just different grenades being set off in the building. It was like, there was one major explosion, and then there was a, different explosions through out that period of time...." Where does he EVER, within, imply the use of explosives. The closest I can see to that is expression of what the explosions sounded LIKE...grenades. TAM

11th October 2007, 05:08 PM	#12
Crungy Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 449	Originally Posted by Gravey It's more than that, really. Rodriguez tells us that he initially accepted the official version of events, and he repeatedly tells us what the official version of the basement explosion is. We know that he repeated that version as his understanding of the facts, including to NIST in a public venue in 2004. I've seen no evidence that Rodriguez made any claims of bombs in the basement and no fireball in the elevator shaft before 2005. Those claims do not appear in his 2004 lawsuit. Additionally, he tells us why he began to speak out: not because any new evidence came to light, but because he was angry at the 9/11 Commission. If someone wrote a paper about me that contained gross errors and misrepresentations, I would make sure that those were corrected or retracted. Rodriguez cannot refute these points, since they are his own statements. Bump for RedIbis who ignored this post in the other Willie thread.
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11th October 2007, 05:08 PM	#13
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	Originally Posted by RedIbis How very pedantic of you. I know the logical fallacies. I also know that it takes enormous courage for someone to put himself into the public reporting an account such as this. If you need proof that any dissenting voice to the official narrative will be met with character assassination, you won't have to look far at all. I believe every word of the quote I posted above from him. I am sure he was courageous, and I appreciate his retelling the story, but where is this man accusing anyone of anything????? Stop grandstanding. TAM

11th October 2007, 05:09 PM	#14
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11th October 2007, 05:20 PM	#16
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,107	Originally Posted by RedIbis How very pedantic of you. I know the logical fallacies. I also know that it takes enormous courage for someone to put himself into the public reporting an account such as this. If you need proof that any dissenting voice to the official narrative will be met with character assassination, you won't have to look far at all. It's not COURAGE, its LARCENY. The preponderance of evidence at this time means we can regard this story as yet another attempt to either fleece a credulous audience or to garner personal attention. At this point in time I cannot imagine this person to be innocently mistaken at all.
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11th October 2007, 05:22 PM	#18
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,107	Originally Posted by MarkyX So 6 years later, he finally supports William? Why not then? What does he think of William's first edition of the story, which he didn't mention explosions but "rumbling" ?... And the Rumbling became an explosion that nearly trapped him in his office! As though anybody could have forgotten that at the first telling. William Rodriguez is a very sad little man who has to lie to the "Truth" community to make himself important. Lying for truth is like screwing for virginity.
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11th October 2007, 05:24 PM	#19
Good Lt Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Satellite of Love Posts: 1,487	Quote: where is this man accusing anyone of anything????? That's where the CT's come in!

11th October 2007, 05:30 PM	#20
boloboffin Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 5,001	Explosions != explosives.

11th October 2007, 05:47 PM	#21
1337m4n Alphanumeric Anonymous Stick Man Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 3,499	Originally Posted by RedIbis And before it comes up, why people here think it's surprising that these stories come out years later, just put yourself in his position, knowing the enormous s[rule8]storm that inevitably follows telling a story that destroys the official myth. Except...there's nothing in this testimony that deliberately implicates the government in any way. So there's nothing "courageous" about giving it.

11th October 2007, 06:07 PM	#22
LashL Goddess of Legaltainment™ Administrator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 26,204	Is this fellow one of the alleged witnesses whose story Rodriguez was trying to negotiate the price of with Dylan Avery?

11th October 2007, 06:15 PM	#23
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,304	Originally Posted by RedIbis How very pedantic of you. I know the logical fallacies. I also know that it takes enormous courage for someone to put himself into the public reporting an account such as this. If you need proof that any dissenting voice to the official narrative will be met with character assassination, you won't have to look far at all. And I also know it takes an enormous amount of courage to organize 1,000 people for a demonstration and/or march at Ground Zero and/or DC, but to be fair, the truthers would need 1,000 people first. Now then, how does this destroy the official report? I don't recall any of the official reports saying there were no explosions.
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11th October 2007, 06:16 PM	#24
SDC Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York area Posts: 2,250	Originally Posted by T.A.M. Where does he EVER, within, imply the use of explosives. The closest I can see to that is expression of what the explosions sounded LIKE...grenades. TAM Didn't the LC guys learn their lesson about "similes" earlier this year, thanks to the BBC? That appears to be what the fellow is using. (And at last I can say something I've wanted to say for months: it's SIMILE, not SIMILIE, and I'll request in triplicate that the next person who misspells the former like the latter be tased. But a kinder, gentler tasing. Like.)

11th October 2007, 06:42 PM	#25
LashL Goddess of Legaltainment™ Administrator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 26,204	Originally Posted by RedIbis And before it comes up, why people here think it's surprising that these stories come out years later, just put yourself in his position, knowing the enormous s[rule8]storm that inevitably follows telling a story that destroys the official myth. Except that there is nothing in his story that contradicts the "official" story, let alone "destroys" it. On the other hand, there are parts of his story that contradict Rodriguez's story, but those could easily be attributed to the same disconnects, mis-remembering, and post hoc erroneous "filling in the blanks" that inevitably occurs with witnesses to sudden and traumatic events. And then, of course, there is the little issue of whether or not this fellow's story is one of the stories that Rodriguez has been trying to sell. Do you know whether it is or not?

11th October 2007, 07:10 PM	#26
Good Lt Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Satellite of Love Posts: 1,487	Where'd RedIbis go? Too hot in the kitchen?

11th October 2007, 07:22 PM	#27
pomeroo Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In a Little Cafe Just the Other Side of the Border Posts: 7,091	Originally Posted by RedIbis I don't know if he's a Holocaust denier but his story confirms Rodriguez's story, and Saltalamacia reports up to at least 10 explosions throughout the building, "like grenades", "different explosions." Listen to the end, he is completely skeptical of the official story. And before it comes up, why people here think it's surprising that these stories come out years later, just put yourself in his position, knowing the enormous s[rule8]storm that inevitably follows telling a story that destroys the official myth. http://911blogger.com/node/11949 According to conspiracy liars, any account at odds with the established narrative must be correct. If the explosions sounded like grenades to the new hero, then they must have been, literally, grenades. Otherwise, as has been pointed out already, he merely reports hearing explosions. Nobody doubts that he heard explosions as--listen carefully--things were exploding. Are you now prepared to insist that your imaginary, mathematically impossible conspiracy used grenades to bring down the Twin Towers. Will that be the latest evolution in the fantasist position? Don't disappear on us again. Inquiring minds want to know.

11th October 2007, 07:29 PM	#28
JEROME DA GNOME Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: The Land of Pleasant Living Posts: 8,932	Originally Posted by MarkyX So 6 years later, he finally supports William? Why not then? What does he think of William's first edition of the story, which he didn't mention explosions but "rumbling" ? And why so many massive cuts in the interview? You sound like a troofer. But why? But why? But why? Are you connecting dots?

11th October 2007, 07:37 PM	#29
Arkan_Wolfshade Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Making Mytheon come to life Posts: 7,158	Originally Posted by RedIbis How very pedantic of you. I know the logical fallacies. Then stop committing them. Originally Posted by RedIbis I also know that it takes enormous courage for someone to put himself into the public reporting an account such as this. Like this appeal to emotion. Originally Posted by RedIbis If you need proof that any dissenting voice to the official narrative will be met with character assassination, you won't have to look far at all. And this sweeping generalization.
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11th October 2007, 07:48 PM	#30
RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	Originally Posted by pomeroo According to conspiracy liars, any account at odds with the established narrative must be correct. If the explosions sounded like grenades to the new hero, then they must have been, literally, grenades. Otherwise, as has been pointed out already, he merely reports hearing explosions. Nobody doubts that he heard explosions as--listen carefully--things were exploding. Are you now prepared to insist that your imaginary, mathematically impossible conspiracy used grenades to bring down the Twin Towers. Will that be the latest evolution in the fantasist position? Don't disappear on us again. Inquiring minds want to know. Allow me to cherry pick. First, Sal. is describing the sounds he heard. When witnesses to a shooting crime, people often compare the sound to firecrackers. That's not to say they think they were firecrackers. He's not an explosives expert and used sounds he was familiar with to describe what he heard. He's describing the repetitive nature of the explosions he heard. Secondly, I don't have endless hours to reply to every post on here. I started the thread, I won't abandon it. You can be sure of that. The word is that this is just a short clip of longer interviews. Sal. is quite clear that he doubts the official narrative even at the end of this clip. It appears most people didn't watch the video to the end.
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11th October 2007, 08:11 PM	#31
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 19,900	Originally Posted by RedIbis I don't know if he's a Holocaust denier but his story confirms Rodriguez's story, and Saltalamacia reports up to at least 10 explosions throughout the building, "like grenades", "different explosions." Listen to the end, he is completely skeptical of the official story. And before it comes up, why people here think it's surprising that these stories come out years later, just put yourself in his position, knowing the enormous s[rule8]storm that inevitably follows telling a story that destroys the official myth. http://911blogger.com/node/11949 Where are the dead people from the grenade blasts? OH, you said sounds like, not really the same is it. Darn another BS post about BS by people who heard loud noises that never produced the blast effects of Explosions. Why are there no blast effects from the sound like grenades and 10 explosions? Why?

11th October 2007, 08:39 PM	#32
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	Originally Posted by RedIbis The word is that this is just a short clip of longer interviews. Sal. is quite clear that he doubts the official narrative even at the end of this clip. It appears most people didn't watch the video to the end. Too bad he has been influenced by the snake oil salesmen then. If he thinks the Towers were brought down by CD then he has been grossly misled by someone, so my condolences go out to his common sense. TAM

11th October 2007, 08:44 PM	#34
JEROME DA GNOME Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: The Land of Pleasant Living Posts: 8,932	Originally Posted by MarkyX You aren't very sharp, are you? Like a tack. Are you implying that you were attempting to preform a mockery? Why the implied insult towards me?

11th October 2007, 08:46 PM	#35
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	how does one "preform" a mockery? Where was the "implied" insult, I didn't see anything implied? TAM

11th October 2007, 08:50 PM	#36
jsfisher ETcorngods survivor Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 11,476	Originally Posted by vexed Testimonials, the best form of evidence... Hey, don't be knocking testimonials. They work for Ron Popeil, now don't they, and that annoying guy that sells that Oxy stuff.
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11th October 2007, 08:56 PM	#37
JEROME DA GNOME Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: The Land of Pleasant Living Posts: 8,932	Originally Posted by T.A.M. how does one "preform" a mockery? Where was the "implied" insult, I didn't see anything implied? TAM http://www.m-w.com/ Here is where you can look up the words. If you put words together they create a coherent thought called a sentence. What is with the hostility in this thread? Is there a membership ritual for this thread I am unaware of?