Why is the US government bashing Europe?

armageddonman · 13th February 2003, 01:10 AM

Even in their own country the support for a war against Iraq is eroding. Look at Maine. Look at Hawaii. Are these states now considered to be the "old US" and "not relevant"?

Jon_in_london · 13th February 2003, 01:30 AM

Well, Im enjoying Frog-bashing so kindly take your logic and reason elsewhere.

13th February 2003, 01:32 AM

Because we have refused to follow them around with our noses firnly planted in their rear ends like we are supposed to.

armageddonman · 13th February 2003, 01:36 AM

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Originally posted by Jon_in_london
Well, Im enjoying Frog-bashing so kindly take your logic and reason elsewhere.

Sorry to shatter your illusions. m(__)m

The Don · 13th February 2003, 02:06 AM

There's got to be a bit of "we don't like it because we feel that the French are engaging in political posturing" in there.

Which may be true but it still doesn't excuse the U.S. attitude

ZeeGerman · 13th February 2003, 05:25 AM

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Originally posted by armageddonman
Even in their own country the support for a war against Iraq is eroding. Look at Maine. Look at Hawaii. Are these states now considered to be the "old US" and "not relevant"?

Hawaii is definitely facing a second Pearl Harbor. Look out guys - this time you have to look east to see it coming

Zee

Crossbow · 13th February 2003, 05:29 AM

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Originally posted by armageddonman
Even in their own country the support for a war against Iraq is eroding. Look at Maine. Look at Hawaii. Are these states now considered to be the "old US" and "not relevant"?

That is a great question and here is my answer!

I think what has happened is that George W. was essentially bluffing when he said that if the UN does not act [regarding military action against Iraq], then the US will [fight Iraq on its own] and now he is getting seriously ticked off.

He is shrewd enough to know those kind of statements can sound great on the evening news shows and they fit nicely onto banner headlines on the newspapers, and he is astute enough to expect some wavering from other countries (especially France) but he incorrectly assumed that they would soon everyone would fall into line.

However, due to the downturn in the US economy the Federal Gov't is now facing a huge deficit ($ 300 Billion, not including the cost of an Iraq war) international help is now more important than ever.

He never really expected (nor planned) for his bluff to be called, so his planned action may be frustrated which could make him look like a boob. George W. knows that he may not be a terribly smart person, but he sure does not want to look a boob, especially when he has a good chance to implement his domestic agenda and is facing re-election.

I hope this helps!

Richard G · 13th February 2003, 09:00 AM

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Even in their own country the support for a war against Iraq is eroding.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

armageddonman · 13th February 2003, 09:01 AM

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Originally posted by Richard G

Nothing could be further from the truth.

So what about Maine's resolution then?

HarryKeogh · 13th February 2003, 12:43 PM

c'mon, everybody knows maine isnt a real state anyway. there are like 5 or 6 states, new york, california, texas, florida and chicago (the rest of illinois does not matter). new jersey may be a state depending wholly on whether i move my business there or not in the next few years.

Advocate · 13th February 2003, 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by armageddonman

So what about Maine's resolution then?

To say that implies support is eroding would mean that Maine ever supported war. Lets see a state that has been a supporter change sides. Texas for instance, or Florida, or basically any southern state. Even a midwestern state would make more of a case that opinion is changing that Maine does.

crackmonkey · 13th February 2003, 07:53 PM

Yeah, really. I mean, Maine has 12 citizens for God's sake.

Hypocolius · 13th February 2003, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by Jon_in_london
Well, Im enjoying Frog-bashing so kindly take your logic and reason elsewhere.

Shouldn't it be Frog-squishing?

VernorsRush · 13th February 2003, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by HarryKeogh
c'mon, everybody knows maine isnt a real state anyway. there are like 5 or 6 states, new york, california, texas, florida and chicago (the rest of illinois does not matter). new jersey may be a state depending wholly on whether i move my business there or not in the next few years.

Doesn't Maine get to be an honorary state when George Sr. is fishing there?

13th February 2003, 01:10 AM	#1
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13th February 2003, 01:36 AM	#4
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13th February 2003, 02:06 AM	#5
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13th February 2003, 05:25 AM	#6
ZeeGerman Muse Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Just far enough from Detroit that it's OK Posts: 784	Re: Why is the US government bashing Europe? Quote: Originally posted by armageddonman Even in their own country the support for a war against Iraq is eroding. Look at Maine. Look at Hawaii. Are these states now considered to be the "old US" and "not relevant"? Hawaii is definitely facing a second Pearl Harbor. Look out guys - this time you have to look east to see it coming Zee
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13th February 2003, 05:29 AM	#7
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,349	Re: Why is the US government bashing Europe? Quote: Originally posted by armageddonman Even in their own country the support for a war against Iraq is eroding. Look at Maine. Look at Hawaii. Are these states now considered to be the "old US" and "not relevant"? That is a great question and here is my answer! I think what has happened is that George W. was essentially bluffing when he said that if the UN does not act [regarding military action against Iraq], then the US will [fight Iraq on its own] and now he is getting seriously ticked off. He is shrewd enough to know those kind of statements can sound great on the evening news shows and they fit nicely onto banner headlines on the newspapers, and he is astute enough to expect some wavering from other countries (especially France) but he incorrectly assumed that they would soon everyone would fall into line. However, due to the downturn in the US economy the Federal Gov't is now facing a huge deficit ($ 300 Billion, not including the cost of an Iraq war) international help is now more important than ever. He never really expected (nor planned) for his bluff to be called, so his planned action may be frustrated which could make him look like a boob. George W. knows that he may not be a terribly smart person, but he sure does not want to look a boob, especially when he has a good chance to implement his domestic agenda and is facing re-election. I hope this helps!
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13th February 2003, 09:00 AM	#8
Richard G Muse Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 940	Quote: Even in their own country the support for a war against Iraq is eroding. Nothing could be further from the truth.
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13th February 2003, 09:01 AM	#9
armageddonman Muse Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 502	Quote: Originally posted by Richard G Nothing could be further from the truth. So what about Maine's resolution then?
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HarryKeogh Catholic School Survivor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,342	c'mon, everybody knows maine isnt a real state anyway. there are like 5 or 6 states, new york, california, texas, florida and chicago (the rest of illinois does not matter). new jersey may be a state depending wholly on whether i move my business there or not in the next few years.

13th February 2003, 07:03 PM	#11
Advocate Thinker Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 240	Quote: Originally posted by armageddonman So what about Maine's resolution then? To say that implies support is eroding would mean that Maine ever supported war. Lets see a state that has been a supporter change sides. Texas for instance, or Florida, or basically any southern state. Even a midwestern state would make more of a case that opinion is changing that Maine does.
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13th February 2003, 07:53 PM	#12
crackmonkey Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,057	Yeah, really. I mean, Maine has 12 citizens for God's sake.

13th February 2003, 07:58 PM	#13
Hypocolius Muse Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 538	Quote: Originally posted by Jon_in_london Well, Im enjoying Frog-bashing so kindly take your logic and reason elsewhere. Shouldn't it be Frog-squishing?
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13th February 2003, 09:51 PM	#14
VernorsRush Student Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 37	Quote: Originally posted by HarryKeogh c'mon, everybody knows maine isnt a real state anyway. there are like 5 or 6 states, new york, california, texas, florida and chicago (the rest of illinois does not matter). new jersey may be a state depending wholly on whether i move my business there or not in the next few years. Doesn't Maine get to be an honorary state when George Sr. is fishing there?
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