Ron Paul supporters and 9/11 Truthers buddying up with Holocaust deniers again

Nick Terry · 21st October 2007, 06:57 AM

Apropos Holocaust denial debunking, I just checked on a MySpace page set up by veteran denier Bradley Smith to promote a film he made called 'El Gran Tabu'.

http://www.myspace.com/elgrantabu

This snuck in under the radar at a Mexican film festival (B.S., as he's appropriately known, ekes out his Social Security check in Mexico) and was hailed as a 'major victory' for Holocaust denial.

Well, guess whose MySpace profile showed up as #1 on B.S's friend list?

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=70183124

That's right, a page associated with the Ron Paul campaign.

I cannot tell at a glance whether this particular MySpace page (which has 13,777 friends) is an official campaign profile or just something set up by a supporter.

Also of interest:

#2 on the list was 'Orlando 9/11 TRUTH NOW!'

further down, profiles for:

"9/11 Revisited"

Boston mark_er RonPaul2008.com - complete with WTC7 collapse animated avatar

The rest of the 1,456 friends look like stoopid teenagers with a mix of pro-Palestinian profiles and other loons.

Run with this as you may.

JAStewart · 21st October 2007, 07:10 AM

Pretty scummy how they don't even say what the content of the documentary is on the page.

MarkyX · 21st October 2007, 07:18 AM

How many times must I repeat it? If it weren't for holocaust deniers, the movement we know today would not exist.

Molten steel? Global Hawk? Fake passports? Chertoff cousins? Pentagon engine parts? WTC7?

All the mainstream arguments from the movement has come from folks who think the holocaust never happened. For example, a lot of 9/11 deniers say that molten steel was "discovered" by Steven Jones, when in reality it was Chris Bollyn who made that suggestion in one of his many articles. Jones even cites Chris Bollyn on his paper!

It's great the movement would rather believe folks who thought Hitler wasn't a bad guy then investigators who were at Ground Zero picking up human remains and debris from two 110-story buildings.

BenBurch · 21st October 2007, 07:19 AM

Sadly, this is just a fellow traveller allegation, isn't it?

scratchy · 21st October 2007, 07:21 AM

Edit: sorry missread....

Nick Terry · 21st October 2007, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

Sadly, this is just a fellow traveller allegation, isn't it?

That's how I'd categorise it.

Gravy · 21st October 2007, 07:44 AM

I don't see how appearing as someone's Myspace friend counts as "buddying up." Myspace accounts can be set to automatically accept all friends, as is surely the case on the Ron Paul page.

T.A.M. · 21st October 2007, 07:54 AM

Watching Ron Paul supporters at work, is like watching a bumble bee trying to get out of the mason jar.

TAM

Nick Terry · 21st October 2007, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by Gravy

I don't see how appearing as someone's Myspace friend counts as "buddying up." Myspace accounts can be set to automatically accept all friends, as is surely the case on the Ron Paul page.

Thanks for this. Since I don't have a MySpace page I don't know how it compares to other social networking sites.

If that's the case then I suspect that many of those listed as 'friends' of B.S. are totally unaware they have been linked to by a Holocaust denier.

Brainster · 21st October 2007, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Nick Terry

Thanks for this. Since I don't have a MySpace page I don't know how it compares to other social networking sites.

If that's the case then I suspect that many of those listed as 'friends' of B.S. are totally unaware they have been linked to by a Holocaust denier.

I'm not sure how this works myself; do people have to at least request to be added to somebody's friends page? I'm pretty sure that's the case; hence the bragging about how many "friends" you have. And if that's true then the guy with the Ron Paul page had to request to be a buddy to that film's page. And if you look at the Ron Paul page, his #1 friend is the official Ron Paul MySpace page. I checked; this one is lined from the Ron Paul campaign website.

leftysergeant · 22nd October 2007, 03:19 AM

More likely B.S,. asked to be added to Ron Paul's list, and some idiot didn't bother to check it out and just approved the request to pad the numbers.

When I request to be added to someone's friends list, they are automaticly added to mine upon their approval of the addition. I cannot be added to someone's list without their being added directly to mine.

Still says something about the level of competancy in the Ron Paul camp, eh?

Gravy · 22nd October 2007, 05:06 AM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Still says something about the level of competancy in the Ron Paul camp, eh?

When Ron Paul is allocating campaign resources, I think devoting time to vetting Myspace friend applicants is a rather low priority.

SpaceMonkeyZero · 22nd October 2007, 05:44 AM

You'd think by now Ron Paul would start seriously distancing himself from these nuts. But then he'd have No support.

SpaceMonkeyZero · 22nd October 2007, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Laughing Assassin

It doesn't mean anything except that Ron Paul doesn't have the kind of money to check on every little detail going on in his campaign like his corporate opponents. For all anyone knows it could very well be his opponents supporters behind trying to make this connection.

Ask a truther who they support in the U.S. election for 2008. More often than not they'll say "Ron Paul"

He has the support of the truthers.

He's nutty like that.

Drudgewire · 22nd October 2007, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Laughing Assassin

It doesn't mean anything except that Ron Paul doesn't have the kind of money to check on every little detail going on in his campaign like his corporate opponents. For all anyone knows it could very well be his opponents supporters behind trying to make this connection.

I'd think his opponents' supporters would want to focus on competition that... you know... might have a ghost of a chance of winning.

dudalb · 22nd October 2007, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkeyZero

You'd think by now Ron Paul would start seriously distancing himself from these nuts. But then he'd have No support.

That is a major problem I have with Paul. His refusal to distance himself from the wackjobs in his movement. I agree that guilt by association is wrong,but,sadly,you can tell a lot about somebody from the kind of supporter his gathers.

apacherose105 · 22nd October 2007, 11:34 AM

yea this is unfounded. Did Ron Paul or any of the 9/11 truth groups ever pick up holocaust denial. I don't think so. These idiots just jumped on the anti-establishment bandwagon.

This is just a pathetic hit piece and all the idiots who dismiss RP and 9/11 truth as "kooky" are jumping on the bandwagon and now they're feeling all good about themselves. Without actually giving any clear evidence as to why.

Ron Paul has the support of people who want an independent investigation into 9/11 because that's what Ron Paul said he would do. And Ron Paul has distanced himself from people who say they believe 9/11 was carried out by the U.S. government.

However he does speak some truth as regards to the background of 9/11. He mentions the how were guaring the development of the Afghani oild pipeline, instead of going after OBL, and our support for Pakistan and the deception that is our foreign policy.

apacherose105 · 22nd October 2007, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

And if that's true then the guy with the Ron Paul page had to request to be a buddy to that film's page....

You have no idea how myspace works when it comes to political The Ron Paul myspace page doesn't go out looking for friends. People who are interested in Ron Paul find the RP page and add him as a friend. And the person managing the RP page just accepts each and every person to make the friend number go up.

Once again it seems we have members of this board jumping to silly conclusions about things of which they have no idea about in the first place.

JamesB · 22nd October 2007, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by MarkyX

All the mainstream arguments from the movement has come from folks who think the holocaust never happened. For example, a lot of 9/11 deniers say that molten steel was "discovered" by Steven Jones, when in reality it was Chris Bollyn who made that suggestion in one of his many articles. Jones even cites Chris Bollyn on his paper!

Bollyn even mentions that Jones was one of the few people to support him after he was arrested.

Disbelief · 22nd October 2007, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by apacherose105

Once again it seems we have members of this board jumping to silly conclusions about things of which they have no idea about in the first place.

You mean like truthers jumping to conclusions about structural engineering issues and physics based upon what they thought should happen? Youtube is greater than NIST right?

CHF · 22nd October 2007, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by JamesB

Bollyn even mentions that Jones was one of the few people to support him after he was arrested.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix3/pic104350.jpg

I assure you that photo is a "strawman."

Plantfoam · 22nd October 2007, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by apacherose105

yea this is unfounded. Did Ron Paul or any of the 9/11 truth groups ever pick up holocaust denial. I don't think so. These idiots just jumped on the anti-establishment bandwagon.

This is just a pathetic hit piece and all the idiots who dismiss RP and 9/11 truth as "kooky" are jumping on the bandwagon and now they're feeling all good about themselves. Without actually giving any clear evidence as to why.

Ron Paul has the support of people who want an independent investigation into 9/11 because that's what Ron Paul said he would do. And Ron Paul has distanced himself from people who say they believe 9/11 was carried out by the U.S. government.

However he does speak some truth as regards to the background of 9/11. He mentions the how were guaring the development of the Afghani oild pipeline, instead of going after OBL, and our support for Pakistan and the deception that is our foreign policy.

You're right, he has distanced himself from the truth movement. That's why he keeps appearing on the Alex Jones show.

SpaceMonkeyZero · 22nd October 2007, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by apacherose105

This is just a pathetic hit piece and all the idiots who dismiss RP and 9/11 truth as "kooky" are jumping on the bandwagon and now they're feeling all good about themselves. Without actually giving any clear evidence as to why.

Do you even know where you are?

Take a look around. There's enough here to prove that truthers are "kooky" and that they are the ones jumping on the bandwagon. Remember, being a part of a fringe group (*cough*4.6 percenters*cough*) is jumping on a bandwagon.

Being a rational normal person who thinks that those on the fringe are kooky, is NOT jumping on the bandwagon. It's called being normal.

dudalb · 22nd October 2007, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Plantfoam

You're right, he has distanced himself from the truth movement. That's why he keeps appearing on the Alex Jones show.

Bingo. Ron Paul has verbally denied he is a advocate for 9/11 Conspiracy Theories,but he continues to court their support. It does not work that way,Ron. If you appear on shows like Jones, all the verbal denial in the world will not keep your opponents from being able to apply the "kook" tag to you with some effectivness.
He seems to want to appear to distance himself from the kook element with one hand,while still courting their support with the other.

SpaceMonkeyZero · 22nd October 2007, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Bingo. Ron Paul has verbally denied he is a advocate for 9/11 Conspiracy Theories,but he continues to court their support. It does not work that way,Ron. If you appear on shows like Jones, all the verbal denial in the world will not keep your opponents from being able to apply the "kook" tag to you with some effectivness.
He seems to want to appear to distance himself from the kook element with one hand,while still courting their support with the other.

Wait... I've heard this all before...

leftysergeant · 22nd October 2007, 03:22 PM

I just heard a caller on the Ed Schultz show state that R. Paul is now a regular contributor to American Free Press., and that he is supported by A. Jones.

What does that tell you about his power base and whose votes he is courting?

Fellow traveller my eye! He's one of them.

Admiral · 25th October 2007, 04:21 PM

It is simply not true that Ron Paul hasn't distanced himself from 9/11 truthers.

This is from an interview from July:

Quote:

Ron Paul: I mean to go to this extreme of tryin to make a big deal of it I think is a very biased type of reporting and questioning.

Interviewer: Well if you look at it that way that would make sense. But it’s not . . . I’m telling you there is a broad perception . . .. and maybe

Ron Paul: I’ve never heard of it . . . I hear occationally that people will ask me about it. I read the Internet like crazy and I rarely see it.

Interviewer: Really? Because every story that comes out with you – and these videos of you talking to these kids are very big on all the file sharing . . .

Ron Paul: OK - but I don’t have to defend what they do and say. I have to only defend my position and I’ve just given you my position.

Interviewer: So your position (then we’ll get off this and onto something else) your position then would be that as far as you’re concerned the official story from 9/11 . .. and this is not about the government covering up their mistakes. . . this is about the suggestions from these people who you were talking to in this video that 9/11 was orchestrated by the government: You do not support that theory?

Ron Paul: Absolutely Not!

You can find the audio for the interview here:

http://seoblackhat.com/2007/07/27/ro...her-interview/

What bothers me most about the OP is that it's very conspiracy theory in its accusations. "Look, a myspace page about holocaust denial is friended to a Ron Paul supporter page, who is then friends with the official page, COINCIDENCE????????" I'm surprised it wasn't followed by a diagram linking Ron Paul, holocaust denial, Skull and Bones, and the Illuminati.

What exactly do you want from Ron Paul? Do you want him to demand that CTers not support him? That seems like a rather unrealistic thing for you to demand of any candidate. Should Pete Stark, the first openly atheist congressman, demand that no one who believes in God should vote for him?

MarkyX · 25th October 2007, 05:01 PM

Quote:

What exactly do you want from Ron Paul? Do you want him to demand that CTers not support him? That seems like a rather unrealistic thing for you to demand of any candidate.

Not our fault Ron Paul doesn't do his research on his supporters. The man, under his own free will, went onto the Alex Jones radio show. You know, AJ, the guy who thinks Gays and Feminists are out to get us, thinks all government officials are worshipping moloch, and says the NYFD killed thousands of people?

Sorry, but Ron Paul deserves every bit of bashing for associating with these morons.

leftysergeant · 25th October 2007, 07:48 PM

It's all about building a power base. R Paul cannot get the Military Industrial voters, rational Christians who take seriously the admonition that "as you have done for the least of these, so have you done it for me," or the unions.

Those he picks up on the anti-war, restore posse commitatus and habeas corpus position, he loses on the environment.

That leaves him with the superstitious gun nuts, force pregnancy activists, illiterate rednecks and sociopaths.

Of course he would have good reason to link up with AJ.

SpaceMonkeyZero · 26th October 2007, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

It's all about building a power base. R Paul cannot get the Military Industrial voters, rational Christians who take seriously the admonition that "as you have done for the least of these, so have you done it for me," or the unions.

Those he picks up on the anti-war, restore posse commitatus and habeas corpus position, he loses on the environment.

That leaves him with the superstitious gun nuts, force pregnancy activists, illiterate rednecks and sociopaths.

Of course he would have good reason to link up with AJ.

Exactly! A Campaign built on calculated insanity. He's also got quite a white supremacist following. I believe David Duke is backing him, as well as his newsletters from the late 80s early 90s with his black stereotyping.

21st October 2007, 07:18 AM	#3
MarkyX Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,019	How many times must I repeat it? If it weren't for holocaust deniers, the movement we know today would not exist. Molten steel? Global Hawk? Fake passports? Chertoff cousins? Pentagon engine parts? WTC7? All the mainstream arguments from the movement has come from folks who think the holocaust never happened. For example, a lot of 9/11 deniers say that molten steel was "discovered" by Steven Jones, when in reality it was Chris Bollyn who made that suggestion in one of his many articles. Jones even cites Chris Bollyn on his paper! It's great the movement would rather believe folks who thought Hitler wasn't a bad guy then investigators who were at Ground Zero picking up human remains and debris from two 110-story buildings.
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21st October 2007, 07:19 AM	#4
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21st October 2007, 07:44 AM	#7
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,063	I don't see how appearing as someone's Myspace friend counts as "buddying up." Myspace accounts can be set to automatically accept all friends, as is surely the case on the Ron Paul page.
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21st October 2007, 07:54 AM	#8
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21st October 2007, 01:10 PM	#10
Brainster Philosopher Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,061	Originally Posted by Nick Terry Thanks for this. Since I don't have a MySpace page I don't know how it compares to other social networking sites. If that's the case then I suspect that many of those listed as 'friends' of B.S. are totally unaware they have been linked to by a Holocaust denier. I'm not sure how this works myself; do people have to at least request to be added to somebody's friends page? I'm pretty sure that's the case; hence the bragging about how many "friends" you have. And if that's true then the guy with the Ron Paul page had to request to be a buddy to that film's page. And if you look at the Ron Paul page, his #1 friend is the official Ron Paul MySpace page. I checked; this one is lined from the Ron Paul campaign website.
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21st October 2007, 06:57 AM	#1
Nick Terry Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 397	Ron Paul supporters and 9/11 Truthers buddying up with Holocaust deniers again Apropos Holocaust denial debunking, I just checked on a MySpace page set up by veteran denier Bradley Smith to promote a film he made called 'El Gran Tabu'. http://www.myspace.com/elgrantabu This snuck in under the radar at a Mexican film festival (B.S., as he's appropriately known, ekes out his Social Security check in Mexico) and was hailed as a 'major victory' for Holocaust denial. Well, guess whose MySpace profile showed up as #1 on B.S's friend list? http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=70183124 That's right, a page associated with the Ron Paul campaign. I cannot tell at a glance whether this particular MySpace page (which has 13,777 friends) is an official campaign profile or just something set up by a supporter. Also of interest: #2 on the list was 'Orlando 9/11 TRUTH NOW!' further down, profiles for: "9/11 Revisited" Boston mark_er RonPaul2008.com - complete with WTC7 collapse animated avatar The rest of the 1,456 friends look like stoopid teenagers with a mix of pro-Palestinian profiles and other loons. Run with this as you may.

21st October 2007, 07:10 AM	#2
JAStewart Graduate Poster Tagger Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Shetland Islands Posts: 1,211	Pretty scummy how they don't even say what the content of the documentary is on the page.
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21st October 2007, 07:21 AM	#5
scratchy Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: At the very center of my world Posts: 478	Edit: sorry missread....

21st October 2007, 07:30 AM	#6
Nick Terry Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 397	Originally Posted by BenBurch Sadly, this is just a fellow traveller allegation, isn't it? That's how I'd categorise it.

21st October 2007, 07:59 AM	#9
Nick Terry Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 397	Originally Posted by Gravy I don't see how appearing as someone's Myspace friend counts as "buddying up." Myspace accounts can be set to automatically accept all friends, as is surely the case on the Ron Paul page. Thanks for this. Since I don't have a MySpace page I don't know how it compares to other social networking sites. If that's the case then I suspect that many of those listed as 'friends' of B.S. are totally unaware they have been linked to by a Holocaust denier.

22nd October 2007, 03:19 AM	#11
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,714	More likely B.S,. asked to be added to Ron Paul's list, and some idiot didn't bother to check it out and just approved the request to pad the numbers. When I request to be added to someone's friends list, they are automaticly added to mine upon their approval of the addition. I cannot be added to someone's list without their being added directly to mine. Still says something about the level of competancy in the Ron Paul camp, eh?
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22nd October 2007, 05:06 AM	#12
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,063	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Still says something about the level of competancy in the Ron Paul camp, eh? When Ron Paul is allocating campaign resources, I think devoting time to vetting Myspace friend applicants is a rather low priority.
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22nd October 2007, 05:44 AM	#13
SpaceMonkeyZero Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: hi Barb!!!!! Posts: 1,285	You'd think by now Ron Paul would start seriously distancing himself from these nuts. But then he'd have No support.

22nd October 2007, 10:31 AM	#14
SpaceMonkeyZero Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: hi Barb!!!!! Posts: 1,285	Originally Posted by Laughing Assassin It doesn't mean anything except that Ron Paul doesn't have the kind of money to check on every little detail going on in his campaign like his corporate opponents. For all anyone knows it could very well be his opponents supporters behind trying to make this connection. Ask a truther who they support in the U.S. election for 2008. More often than not they'll say "Ron Paul" He has the support of the truthers. He's nutty like that.
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22nd October 2007, 10:53 AM	#15
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 8,223	Originally Posted by Laughing Assassin It doesn't mean anything except that Ron Paul doesn't have the kind of money to check on every little detail going on in his campaign like his corporate opponents. For all anyone knows it could very well be his opponents supporters behind trying to make this connection. I'd think his opponents' supporters would want to focus on competition that... you know... might have a ghost of a chance of winning.
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22nd October 2007, 11:16 AM	#16
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 14,444	Originally Posted by SpaceMonkeyZero You'd think by now Ron Paul would start seriously distancing himself from these nuts. But then he'd have No support. That is a major problem I have with Paul. His refusal to distance himself from the wackjobs in his movement. I agree that guilt by association is wrong,but,sadly,you can tell a lot about somebody from the kind of supporter his gathers.

22nd October 2007, 11:34 AM	#17
apacherose105 Student Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 34	yea this is unfounded. Did Ron Paul or any of the 9/11 truth groups ever pick up holocaust denial. I don't think so. These idiots just jumped on the anti-establishment bandwagon. This is just a pathetic hit piece and all the idiots who dismiss RP and 9/11 truth as "kooky" are jumping on the bandwagon and now they're feeling all good about themselves. Without actually giving any clear evidence as to why. Ron Paul has the support of people who want an independent investigation into 9/11 because that's what Ron Paul said he would do. And Ron Paul has distanced himself from people who say they believe 9/11 was carried out by the U.S. government. However he does speak some truth as regards to the background of 9/11. He mentions the how were guaring the development of the Afghani oild pipeline, instead of going after OBL, and our support for Pakistan and the deception that is our foreign policy.
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22nd October 2007, 11:46 AM	#18
apacherose105 Student Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 34	Originally Posted by Brainster And if that's true then the guy with the Ron Paul page had to request to be a buddy to that film's page.... You have no idea how myspace works when it comes to political The Ron Paul myspace page doesn't go out looking for friends. People who are interested in Ron Paul find the RP page and add him as a friend. And the person managing the RP page just accepts each and every person to make the friend number go up. Once again it seems we have members of this board jumping to silly conclusions about things of which they have no idea about in the first place.
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22nd October 2007, 11:50 AM	#19
JamesB Master Poster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,002	Originally Posted by MarkyX All the mainstream arguments from the movement has come from folks who think the holocaust never happened. For example, a lot of 9/11 deniers say that molten steel was "discovered" by Steven Jones, when in reality it was Chris Bollyn who made that suggestion in one of his many articles. Jones even cites Chris Bollyn on his paper! Bollyn even mentions that Jones was one of the few people to support him after he was arrested.
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22nd October 2007, 11:51 AM	#20
Disbelief Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,461	Originally Posted by apacherose105 Once again it seems we have members of this board jumping to silly conclusions about things of which they have no idea about in the first place. You mean like truthers jumping to conclusions about structural engineering issues and physics based upon what they thought should happen? Youtube is greater than NIST right?

22nd October 2007, 12:35 PM	#21
CHF Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,795	Originally Posted by JamesB Bollyn even mentions that Jones was one of the few people to support him after he was arrested. http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix3/pic104350.jpg I assure you that photo is a "strawman."

22nd October 2007, 12:37 PM	#22
Plantfoam Thinker Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 219	Originally Posted by apacherose105 yea this is unfounded. Did Ron Paul or any of the 9/11 truth groups ever pick up holocaust denial. I don't think so. These idiots just jumped on the anti-establishment bandwagon. This is just a pathetic hit piece and all the idiots who dismiss RP and 9/11 truth as "kooky" are jumping on the bandwagon and now they're feeling all good about themselves. Without actually giving any clear evidence as to why. Ron Paul has the support of people who want an independent investigation into 9/11 because that's what Ron Paul said he would do. And Ron Paul has distanced himself from people who say they believe 9/11 was carried out by the U.S. government. However he does speak some truth as regards to the background of 9/11. He mentions the how were guaring the development of the Afghani oild pipeline, instead of going after OBL, and our support for Pakistan and the deception that is our foreign policy. You're right, he has distanced himself from the truth movement. That's why he keeps appearing on the Alex Jones show.

22nd October 2007, 12:40 PM	#23
SpaceMonkeyZero Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: hi Barb!!!!! Posts: 1,285	Originally Posted by apacherose105 This is just a pathetic hit piece and all the idiots who dismiss RP and 9/11 truth as "kooky" are jumping on the bandwagon and now they're feeling all good about themselves. Without actually giving any clear evidence as to why. Do you even know where you are? Take a look around. There's enough here to prove that truthers are "kooky" and that they are the ones jumping on the bandwagon. Remember, being a part of a fringe group (cough4.6 percenterscough) is jumping on a bandwagon. Being a rational normal person who thinks that those on the fringe are kooky, is NOT jumping on the bandwagon. It's called being normal.
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22nd October 2007, 12:47 PM	#24
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 14,444	Originally Posted by Plantfoam You're right, he has distanced himself from the truth movement. That's why he keeps appearing on the Alex Jones show. Bingo. Ron Paul has verbally denied he is a advocate for 9/11 Conspiracy Theories,but he continues to court their support. It does not work that way,Ron. If you appear on shows like Jones, all the verbal denial in the world will not keep your opponents from being able to apply the "kook" tag to you with some effectivness. He seems to want to appear to distance himself from the kook element with one hand,while still courting their support with the other.

22nd October 2007, 12:56 PM	#25
SpaceMonkeyZero Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: hi Barb!!!!! Posts: 1,285	Originally Posted by dudalb Bingo. Ron Paul has verbally denied he is a advocate for 9/11 Conspiracy Theories,but he continues to court their support. It does not work that way,Ron. If you appear on shows like Jones, all the verbal denial in the world will not keep your opponents from being able to apply the "kook" tag to you with some effectivness. He seems to want to appear to distance himself from the kook element with one hand,while still courting their support with the other. Wait... I've heard this all before...

22nd October 2007, 03:22 PM	#26
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,714	I just heard a caller on the Ed Schultz show state that R. Paul is now a regular contributor to American Free Press., and that he is supported by A. Jones. What does that tell you about his power base and whose votes he is courting? Fellow traveller my eye! He's one of them.

25th October 2007, 04:21 PM	#27
Admiral Commander of the Fleet of Justice Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 770	It is simply not true that Ron Paul hasn't distanced himself from 9/11 truthers. This is from an interview from July: Quote: Ron Paul: I mean to go to this extreme of tryin to make a big deal of it I think is a very biased type of reporting and questioning. Interviewer: Well if you look at it that way that would make sense. But it’s not . . . I’m telling you there is a broad perception . . .. and maybe Ron Paul: I’ve never heard of it . . . I hear occationally that people will ask me about it. I read the Internet like crazy and I rarely see it. Interviewer: Really? Because every story that comes out with you – and these videos of you talking to these kids are very big on all the file sharing . . . Ron Paul: OK - but I don’t have to defend what they do and say. I have to only defend my position and I’ve just given you my position. Interviewer: So your position (then we’ll get off this and onto something else) your position then would be that as far as you’re concerned the official story from 9/11 . .. and this is not about the government covering up their mistakes. . . this is about the suggestions from these people who you were talking to in this video that 9/11 was orchestrated by the government: You do not support that theory? Ron Paul: Absolutely Not! You can find the audio for the interview here: http://seoblackhat.com/2007/07/27/ro...her-interview/ What bothers me most about the OP is that it's very conspiracy theory in its accusations. "Look, a myspace page about holocaust denial is friended to a Ron Paul supporter page, who is then friends with the official page, COINCIDENCE????????" I'm surprised it wasn't followed by a diagram linking Ron Paul, holocaust denial, Skull and Bones, and the Illuminati. What exactly do you want from Ron Paul? Do you want him to demand that CTers not support him? That seems like a rather unrealistic thing for you to demand of any candidate. Should Pete Stark, the first openly atheist congressman, demand that no one who believes in God should vote for him?
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25th October 2007, 05:01 PM	#28
MarkyX Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,019	Quote: What exactly do you want from Ron Paul? Do you want him to demand that CTers not support him? That seems like a rather unrealistic thing for you to demand of any candidate. Not our fault Ron Paul doesn't do his research on his supporters. The man, under his own free will, went onto the Alex Jones radio show. You know, AJ, the guy who thinks Gays and Feminists are out to get us, thinks all government officials are worshipping moloch, and says the NYFD killed thousands of people? Sorry, but Ron Paul deserves every bit of bashing for associating with these morons.
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25th October 2007, 07:48 PM	#29
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,714	It's all about building a power base. R Paul cannot get the Military Industrial voters, rational Christians who take seriously the admonition that "as you have done for the least of these, so have you done it for me," or the unions. Those he picks up on the anti-war, restore posse commitatus and habeas corpus position, he loses on the environment. That leaves him with the superstitious gun nuts, force pregnancy activists, illiterate rednecks and sociopaths. Of course he would have good reason to link up with AJ.

26th October 2007, 06:56 AM	#30
SpaceMonkeyZero Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: hi Barb!!!!! Posts: 1,285	Originally Posted by leftysergeant It's all about building a power base. R Paul cannot get the Military Industrial voters, rational Christians who take seriously the admonition that "as you have done for the least of these, so have you done it for me," or the unions. Those he picks up on the anti-war, restore posse commitatus and habeas corpus position, he loses on the environment. That leaves him with the superstitious gun nuts, force pregnancy activists, illiterate rednecks and sociopaths. Of course he would have good reason to link up with AJ. Exactly! A Campaign built on calculated insanity. He's also got quite a white supremacist following. I believe David Duke is backing him, as well as his newsletters from the late 80s early 90s with his black stereotyping.