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Malachi151 · 9th September 2003, 06:04 PM

I have noticed for a long time that in America that when you bring up and subject often the first thing people do is define America as not being as bad as some other place.

For example if you bring of the topic of prison treatment then poeple would immediately say, "if you think is bad here you should see a prison in Russia."

If you bring up rascism they say "Well its nothing compared to Japan."

If you bring up economic oppertunity they "Say try starting a busines in Cuba."

I just remember this from so many different cases, like if you want something better then there is something wrong with you because your not greatful that you don't have it worse. Thats like the most idiotic way of thinking that there is.

"Things suck."

"Well just be happy that you are not in a Turkish prison, now stop complaining and get back to work."

That's such a stupid mentaility yet I have experianced it all my life. Its like people here define our morality simply by not being as bad as other oppressive or corrupt places.

I just got through watching a show on one of those "liberal", WorldLink or something, channels on the satallite about boys who are sent to prison in Texas and get raped. One child was killed, and they were doing a documentary on him. He went to prison for starting a fire in a dumpster as a high school prank, and for that he was repeatedly beated, raped, and then died. They showed the letters that he had sent asking for help, and repeatedly being tunred down by the prison system.

The attitude of the prison workers was that that was just part of the way the system worked, that was just part of the punishment.

WTF are people thinking? Since when is punishment for a prank to imprison someone and allow them to be repeatedly beaten and raped, thats sick. That's something that people GO to prison for in the first place. If that happened to an "innocent" person the people who did that would get extremely long prison terms. Yet, if you are already in prison for stealing a car or something you then have free reign to rape people at will and beat them? And to add that many people who go to prison are in for petty things, like this kid, 18 years old, who becuase he started a fire in a dumpster he was turned into a sex slave for multiple people in a prison where he was not allowed to escape and incable of self defense, and it was all essentially supervised by state empoyees.

No one deserves that, and especially not same damned kid who was playing pranks. He WAS an innocent victem. And yet, this is all legal and goes on all the time. And of course now that we have the highest prison rates in the world its more and more out of control.

But hey, I guess its not as bad as Sibera... used to be... under Stalin... so its still okay,m because there were worse things...

JAR · 9th September 2003, 09:25 PM

Yeah, we should do something about those guys who rape guys in prison. There should be a really bad punishment for something like that. Whatever punishment were giving them now just isn't working.

Unfortunately, some humans don't put themselves in other people's shoes and think "How would I like it if someone raped me" and that's part of the reason we have rapists.

9th September 2003, 06:04 PM	#1
Malachi151 Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,405	How we define our nation... I have noticed for a long time that in America that when you bring up and subject often the first thing people do is define America as not being as bad as some other place. For example if you bring of the topic of prison treatment then poeple would immediately say, "if you think is bad here you should see a prison in Russia." If you bring up rascism they say "Well its nothing compared to Japan." If you bring up economic oppertunity they "Say try starting a busines in Cuba." I just remember this from so many different cases, like if you want something better then there is something wrong with you because your not greatful that you don't have it worse. Thats like the most idiotic way of thinking that there is. "Things suck." "Well just be happy that you are not in a Turkish prison, now stop complaining and get back to work." That's such a stupid mentaility yet I have experianced it all my life. Its like people here define our morality simply by not being as bad as other oppressive or corrupt places. I just got through watching a show on one of those "liberal", WorldLink or something, channels on the satallite about boys who are sent to prison in Texas and get raped. One child was killed, and they were doing a documentary on him. He went to prison for starting a fire in a dumpster as a high school prank, and for that he was repeatedly beated, raped, and then died. They showed the letters that he had sent asking for help, and repeatedly being tunred down by the prison system. The attitude of the prison workers was that that was just part of the way the system worked, that was just part of the punishment. WTF are people thinking? Since when is punishment for a prank to imprison someone and allow them to be repeatedly beaten and raped, thats sick. That's something that people GO to prison for in the first place. If that happened to an "innocent" person the people who did that would get extremely long prison terms. Yet, if you are already in prison for stealing a car or something you then have free reign to rape people at will and beat them? And to add that many people who go to prison are in for petty things, like this kid, 18 years old, who becuase he started a fire in a dumpster he was turned into a sex slave for multiple people in a prison where he was not allowed to escape and incable of self defense, and it was all essentially supervised by state empoyees. No one deserves that, and especially not same damned kid who was playing pranks. He WAS an innocent victem. And yet, this is all legal and goes on all the time. And of course now that we have the highest prison rates in the world its more and more out of control. But hey, I guess its not as bad as Sibera... used to be... under Stalin... so its still okay,m because there were worse things...
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9th September 2003, 09:25 PM	#2
JAR Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,145	Yeah, we should do something about those guys who rape guys in prison. There should be a really bad punishment for something like that. Whatever punishment were giving them now just isn't working. Unfortunately, some humans don't put themselves in other people's shoes and think "How would I like it if someone raped me" and that's part of the reason we have rapists.
JAR Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,145