Election Time: Denmark

The_Fire · 24th October 2007, 05:44 AM

Approx. 30 minutes ago, the Danish prime minister, Anders "Fjog" Rasmussen called a prime election with vote date november 13th 2007. This means that for the next 3 weeks various political parties are going to vying for my personal vote, selling themselves like prostitutes on speed.

Problem is that this year I actually want to VOTE instead of putting my "x" down after the eniey-miney-moe method that most of my peers seems to favour.

So if anyone could help me figure the differences out between the various chair-hoggers and their respective cheerleading squads (read: Political parties), I would be most gratefull.

Yes, this is mostly for the Danish members of JREF, but I figured it could make for a nice debate.......

ThatSoundAgain · 24th October 2007, 06:06 AM

Oh no... Not this again. The media pitch is already rising - why is it that they immediately go into tactical analysis mode? I want to hear about the issues!

I'll have to get used to it. At least it's only three weeks.

MG1962 · 24th October 2007, 06:15 AM

Sigh, we have to put up with 6 weeks of this dribble as well - If you Dannes figure a good way to come up with a good choice, can you send the info down under, cause we could sure us the help

P.S can we have our princess back lol

MRC_Hans · 24th October 2007, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by MG1962

Sigh, we have to put up with 6 weeks of this dribble as well - If you Dannes figure a good way to come up with a good choice, can you send the info down under, cause we could sure us the help

It's really rather easy: You take the one that is least ridiculous of those least likely to cooperate with the ultra right wing.

If that leaves you with nobody, you flip a coin. If you don't like the result of that, you flip again ... etc.

Quote:

P.S can we have our princess back lol

Absolutely not! How about a couple of princes?

The 13/11? At least I'll be back from China by then (and I'll "miss" a whole week of the cheerleading

)

Hans

MRC_Hans · 24th October 2007, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by ThatSoundAgain

The media pitch is already rising - why is it that they immediately go into tactical analysis mode?

Haven't they been at it for weeks already?

Hans

ThatSoundAgain · 24th October 2007, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by MG1962

P.S can we have our princess back lol

Yes, but could you take the rest of the royal family as well? Some of us would really like to get with modern times and lose the monarchy. And the state church, that's up for grabs as well as far as I'm concerned.

MG1962 · 24th October 2007, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

It's really rather easy: You take the one that is least ridiculous of those least likely to cooperate with the ultra right wing.

If that leaves you with nobody, you flip a coin. If you don't like the result of that, you flip again ... etc.

Absolutely not! How about a couple of princes?

The 13/11? At least I'll be back from China by then (and I'll "miss" a whole week of the cheerleading

)

Hans

Well I am available

Mind you there is no money back promises - Thats if you dont mind a prince, still looking a bit like a frog lol

Lisa Simpson · 24th October 2007, 06:45 AM

You only have 3 weeks of cheerleading?!!! We've been dealing with it for months and our election isn't until November 2008!

Kerberos · 24th October 2007, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson

You only have 3 weeks of cheerleading?!!! We've been dealing with it for months and our election isn't until November 2008!

In our dreams. The entire political establishment has been in elction mode for at least two months.

Also The_Fire could you perhaps give us some ideas of what parties you're considering, where you stand politically, what issues you particuarly care about and such? Giving a total oveview of the opinions of all political parties on all concievable subjects might be a bit much.

ThatSoundAgain · 24th October 2007, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

Haven't they been at it for weeks already?

Hans

For years, as far as I recall. Not that analyses on this level aren't interesting and important, e.g. why was the election called now? But when that's all the coverage there is, it feels like everyone is treating this like a sports match.

Ryokan · 24th October 2007, 06:56 AM

I'm not Danish, but... Radikale Venstre FTW! For those with truly liberal hearts.

MRC_Hans · 24th October 2007, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by MG1962

Well I am available

Mind you there is no money back promises - Thats if you dont mind a prince, still looking a bit like a frog lol

Well, as long as I'm not doing the kissing.... Actually, I meant, of course, that you can have a couple of our princes instead of Mary. I'm not that much of a royalist, but if we are to have a crown princess at all, she is certainly a good bet if I ever saw one.

Hans

El Greco · 24th October 2007, 10:46 AM

Elections on Tuesday ? Damn, why do we always have them on Sunday here ?

Pardalis · 24th October 2007, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson

You only have 3 weeks of cheerleading?!!! We've been dealing with it for months and our election isn't until November 2008!

Americans never do anything simple.

Tsukasa Buddha · 24th October 2007, 12:10 PM

Waah, you guys have too many parties. I can't decide...

Christian Democrats

!

Actually, I'd go with Enhedslisten, Socialistisk Folkeparti, Socialdemokraterne, or Det Radikale Venstre.

I can't decide between them without actually speaking the language.

cj.23 · 24th October 2007, 12:19 PM

I am in favour of whoever backs the emigre vote, and wishes to give vast tax breaks and large cash rewards to lure them back to Danmark. I suppose also plans to build a huge university in Falster, preferably on my family land, would also be good. OK, someone tell me the actual issues, as I think I get a vote...

cj x

Oliver · 24th October 2007, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by The_Fire

Approx. 30 minutes ago, the Danish prime minister, Anders "Fjog" Rasmussen called a prime election with vote date november 13th 2007. This means that for the next 3 weeks various political parties are going to vying for my personal vote, selling themselves like prostitutes on speed.

Problem is that this year I actually want to VOTE instead of putting my "x" down after the eniey-miney-moe method that most of my peers seems to favour.

So if anyone could help me figure the differences out between the various chair-hoggers and their respective cheerleading squads (read: Political parties), I would be most gratefull.

Yes, this is mostly for the Danish members of JREF, but I figured it could make for a nice debate.......

Well, you could start reading the articles at Wikipedia
about the parties in Denmark:

Venstre, Danmarks Liberale Parti (V)
Socialdemokraterne (A)
Dansk Folkeparti (O)
Det Konservative Folkeparti (C)
Det Radikale Venstre (B)
Socialistisk Folkeparti (F)
Enhedslisten – De Rød-Grønne (Ø)
Ny Alliance (Y)*
Løsgængere

And then you could go on and learn about their current
political programs:

www.venstre.dk
socialdemokraterne.dk
danskfolkeparti.dk
konservative.dk
www.radikale.dk
www.sf.dk
enhedslisten.dk
www.nyalliance.dk

Pardalis · 24th October 2007, 12:46 PM

That social democrat is a cutie.

Cainkane1 · 24th October 2007, 12:57 PM

I hope the muslims are never able to elect a person in Denmark. I've heard that they want the law of sharia in Denmark one day.

Oliver · 24th October 2007, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Cainkane1

I hope the muslims are never able to elect a person in Denmark. I've heard that they want the law of sharia in Denmark one day.

(Stop watching Fox&Co)

CFLarsen · 24th October 2007, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Cainkane1

I hope the muslims are never able to elect a person in Denmark. I've heard that they want the law of sharia in Denmark one day.

Naser Khader is a muslim and a member of the Parliament.

And no, he doesn't want sharia in Denmark.

ThatSoundAgain · 24th October 2007, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Pardalis

That social democrat is a cutie.

On a similar level, after listening to the deabte tonight, I can't decide if she'd be more or less annoying, sonically, than the current PM (she's the only real contender a this point). None of them are great speakers, unfortunately. Still, a change from Fogh's nasal droning of simplistic, ready-made talking points would be welcome.

ThatSoundAgain · 24th October 2007, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

Naser Khader is a muslim and a member of the Parliament.

And no, he doesn't want sharia in Denmark.

I believe Hüseyin Arac is as well. Oh noes! That's two!

Cainkane, I've heard lots of things, too. If I'm going to hope for something, it is that more people who aren't members of the state church get elected. That includes muslims. We need that to focus the criticism of such an institution.

chran · 24th October 2007, 03:42 PM

Here's a summary in English for all you non-Vikings.

And ... Ny Alliance for the win!

MRC_Hans · 25th October 2007, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by Cainkane1

I hope the muslims are never able to elect a person in Denmark. I've heard that they want the law of sharia in Denmark one day.

Nah, that's just a few of them. Most know better than that. In fact, a number of them are fugitives from countries with sharia laws.

Anyhow, there are already a few muslims in our parliament.

Hans

WinterMute · 25th October 2007, 01:33 AM

Hope that whoever gets elected priorities the rising language problem in Denmark that is highlighted in this Norwegian "documentary" ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk

mbp · 25th October 2007, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

Nah, that's just a few of them. Most know better than that.

How do you know for sure? I've never seen any polls on the subject, but perhaps there have been some?

Quote:

In fact, a number of them are fugitives from countries with sharia laws.

Some of them are, but that doesn't automatically mean they disagree with those laws.

mbp · 25th October 2007, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by ThatSoundAgain

None of them are great speakers, unfortunately.

No, they really aren't. I'd say the overall level of eloquence in our politicians is rather low at the moment. The older generation had a few who were capable, but they've mostly left or faded into the background now.

Quote:

Still, a change from Fogh's nasal droning of simplistic, ready-made talking points would be welcome.

I think simplistic, read-made talking points are here to stay no matter what side you listen to. They're all repeating their small set of prepared phrases over and over again.

ThatSoundAgain · 25th October 2007, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by mbp

No, they really aren't. I'd say the overall level of eloquence in our politicians is rather low at the moment. The older generation had a few who were capable, but they've mostly left or faded into the background now.

I think simplistic, read-made talking points are here to stay no matter what side you listen to. They're all repeating their small set of prepared phrases over and over again.

I'm afraid you're right about the talking points. With few exceptions, I hear that tendency all over.

It's just that Fogh for some reason is made of teflon - any and all criticism of him is deflected by his prepared sound-bites. And amazingly, that works for him when it doesn't for anyone else.

I mean, do you remember Jelved who couldn't get a word in edgewise because everyone was teasing her with that hand bag and something about café latte? Meanwhile Fogh, who is partly responsible for Iraq and had to leave office last time he was minister (of tax), is engorged in positive press about being "down with the people" when he does something inconsequential like rolling up his shirt-sleeves.

DanishDynamite · 25th October 2007, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by The_Fire

Approx. 30 minutes ago, the Danish prime minister, Anders "Fjog" Rasmussen called a prime election with vote date november 13th 2007. This means that for the next 3 weeks various political parties are going to vying for my personal vote, selling themselves like prostitutes on speed.

Problem is that this year I actually want to VOTE instead of putting my "x" down after the eniey-miney-moe method that most of my peers seems to favour.

So if anyone could help me figure the differences out between the various chair-hoggers and their respective cheerleading squads (read: Political parties), I would be most gratefull.

Yes, this is mostly for the Danish members of JREF, but I figured it could make for a nice debate.......

Vote for continued good times. Vote for Venstre.

mbp · 25th October 2007, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by ThatSoundAgain

It's just that Fogh for some reason is made of teflon - any and all criticism of him is deflected by his prepared sound-bites. And amazingly, that works for him when it doesn't for anyone else.

I mean, do you remember Jelved who couldn't get a word in edgewise because everyone was teasing her with that hand bag and something about café latte? Meanwhile Fogh, who is partly responsible for Iraq and had to leave office last time he was minister (of tax), is engorged in positive press about being "down with the people" when he does something inconsequential like rolling up his shirt-sleeves.

That old tax thing is a non-issue. What happened wasn't his fault, but as the minister everything going on in his department was ultimately his responsibility and so he resigned. By doing this he saved his career and ensured that he'd be able to hold office again at a later date. That's how the unwritten rules are in our parliament. Pia Gjellerup, for example, did pretty much exactly the same thing and no one held that against her when she came back after being forced out of her first ministerial post. Sometimes you just have to take one for the team.

Fogh certainly isn't partly responsible for Iraq. There can be no doubt that Bush would have gone ahead without any Danish support. He was partly responsible for the Danish involvement, but the opposition can't get much traction out of that because the social democrats themselves voted for some of it and because we're no longer there.

I really can't remember a time when Jelved couldn't get a word in edgewise. On the contrary I feel I've spent a fairly large part of my life listening to her scolding me as if I was a naughty eight year old schoolboy. What eventually forced her out had very little to do with the press talking about her handbags, IMO.

But I don't think Fogh and Jelved have (had?) very similar styles at all. No matter what else you might think of him Fogh does come across as calm, unflappable and well prepared. Of these I'll give Jelved "well prepared", but certainly not the other two.

Kerberos · 26th October 2007, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by DanishDynamite

Vote for continued good times. Vote for Venstre.

I think he was looking for somethign slightly more substantial than a campaign slogan. we'll get enough of that from the aforementioned drug-addled prostitutes of doom.

MRC_Hans · 26th October 2007, 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by mbp

How do you know for sure? I've never seen any polls on the subject, but perhaps there have been some?

There is an emerging movement of moderates.

Quote:

Some of them are, but that doesn't automatically mean they disagree with those laws.

Would seem quite likely, though.

Hans

erlando · 26th October 2007, 02:27 AM

I say Venstre as well.. The times the Social Democrats have been at the wheel the debt has shot through the roof. We've spent the better part of the last 6 years or so paying that debt back since Anders Fogh Rasmussen ended the latest Social Democratic spending spree.

CFLarsen · 26th October 2007, 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by erlando

I say Venstre as well.. The times the Social Democrats have been at the wheel the debt has shot through the roof. We've spent the better part of the last 6 years or so paying that debt back since Anders Fogh Rasmussen ended the latest Social Democratic spending spree.

Hehehe....... I don't think you want to compare public spending....

Kerberos · 26th October 2007, 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by erlando

I say Venstre as well.. The times the Social Democrats have been at the wheel the debt has shot through the roof. We've spent the better part of the last 6 years or so paying that debt back since Anders Fogh Rasmussen ended the latest Social Democratic spending spree.

You might want to pay less atention to propaganda and more to the facts. The debt has been decreasing since 1997. http://www.nationalbanken.dk/C1256BE2005737D3/side/Statens_laantagning_og_gaeld_2001/$file/kap5.htm

And of cause the unemployment dropped dramatically, and the trade balanced improved significantly under Nyrup as well. Sorry to burst you bubble.

I don't supose you could explain which part of Foghs economic policy you find so brilliant? Please don't further illustrate your ignorance by saying the tax stop or I'll have to laugh in your face.

mbp · 26th October 2007, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

There is an emerging movement of moderates.

There are some moderates, no doubt about that. But without any statistics or polls how do you get any idea of their number?
It's also being said that the younger generations are now turning out to be more likely to turn to fundamentalism than than their parents were, but again without any data to back it up. Just anecdotes and a stories of a few individuals.

I'd like to believe that the majority of Muslims living here are firmly behind democracy and secular law, but can we really know?

chran · 13th November 2007, 05:19 PM

The results are in!

Anders Fogh Rasmussen (AFR) is able to continue leading the country. His block, with the support of a Faerose mandate and New Alliance, has 95 seats in the Parliament (a majority), while the social democrat block has 81 seats.

New Alliance, the party expected to be the "deal breaker" and change the political landscape in Denmark, only managed to get 2.8% of the vote, securing only 5 seats. AFR's Liberal-Conservative block thus has a majority even without NA's mandates.

End result: Back where we started.

The voter turnout was 86.6%

BBC Story

Pardalis · 13th November 2007, 05:31 PM

I was kind of rooting for the cute blond...

ETA:

Originally Posted by chran

The voter turnout was 86.6%

Say what? Are you kidding me?

86% ?!!! You people are sick!

Kerberos · 14th November 2007, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by Pardalis

I was kind of rooting for the cute blond...

ETA:

Say what? Are you kidding me?

86% ?!!! You people are sick!

86% is a decent turnout, slightly higher than the last election. We haven't dipped under 80% since WW2 IIRC.

24th October 2007, 05:44 AM	#1
The_Fire Unimpressed Female Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 8th level of Hell - Maleborgia Posts: 2,464	Election Time: Denmark Approx. 30 minutes ago, the Danish prime minister, Anders "Fjog" Rasmussen called a prime election with vote date november 13th 2007. This means that for the next 3 weeks various political parties are going to vying for my personal vote, selling themselves like prostitutes on speed. Problem is that this year I actually want to VOTE instead of putting my "x" down after the eniey-miney-moe method that most of my peers seems to favour. So if anyone could help me figure the differences out between the various chair-hoggers and their respective cheerleading squads (read: Political parties), I would be most gratefull. Yes, this is mostly for the Danish members of JREF, but I figured it could make for a nice debate.......
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24th October 2007, 06:15 AM	#3
MG1962 Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,031	Sigh, we have to put up with 6 weeks of this dribble as well - If you Dannes figure a good way to come up with a good choice, can you send the info down under, cause we could sure us the help P.S can we have our princess back lol
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24th October 2007, 06:24 AM	#4
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: N55.47'36" E12.30'21" Posts: 10,485	Originally Posted by MG1962 Sigh, we have to put up with 6 weeks of this dribble as well - If you Dannes figure a good way to come up with a good choice, can you send the info down under, cause we could sure us the help It's really rather easy: You take the one that is least ridiculous of those least likely to cooperate with the ultra right wing. If that leaves you with nobody, you flip a coin. If you don't like the result of that, you flip again ... etc. Quote: P.S can we have our princess back lol Absolutely not! How about a couple of princes? The 13/11? At least I'll be back from China by then (and I'll "miss" a whole week of the cheerleading ) Hans
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24th October 2007, 06:26 AM	#5
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: N55.47'36" E12.30'21" Posts: 10,485	Originally Posted by ThatSoundAgain The media pitch is already rising - why is it that they immediately go into tactical analysis mode? Haven't they been at it for weeks already? Hans
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24th October 2007, 06:43 AM	#7
MG1962 Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,031	Originally Posted by MRC_Hans It's really rather easy: You take the one that is least ridiculous of those least likely to cooperate with the ultra right wing. If that leaves you with nobody, you flip a coin. If you don't like the result of that, you flip again ... etc. Absolutely not! How about a couple of princes? The 13/11? At least I'll be back from China by then (and I'll "miss" a whole week of the cheerleading ) Hans Well I am available Mind you there is no money back promises - Thats if you dont mind a prince, still looking a bit like a frog lol
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24th October 2007, 06:06 AM	#2
ThatSoundAgain Muse Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: cph Posts: 780	Oh no... Not this again. The media pitch is already rising - why is it that they immediately go into tactical analysis mode? I want to hear about the issues! I'll have to get used to it. At least it's only three weeks.

24th October 2007, 06:27 AM	#6
ThatSoundAgain Muse Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: cph Posts: 780	Originally Posted by MG1962 P.S can we have our princess back lol Yes, but could you take the rest of the royal family as well? Some of us would really like to get with modern times and lose the monarchy. And the state church, that's up for grabs as well as far as I'm concerned.

24th October 2007, 06:45 AM	#8
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24th October 2007, 06:49 AM	#9
Kerberos Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,612	Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson You only have 3 weeks of cheerleading?!!! We've been dealing with it for months and our election isn't until November 2008! In our dreams. The entire political establishment has been in elction mode for at least two months. Also The_Fire could you perhaps give us some ideas of what parties you're considering, where you stand politically, what issues you particuarly care about and such? Giving a total oveview of the opinions of all political parties on all concievable subjects might be a bit much.
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24th October 2007, 06:54 AM	#10
ThatSoundAgain Muse Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: cph Posts: 780	Originally Posted by MRC_Hans Haven't they been at it for weeks already? Hans For years, as far as I recall. Not that analyses on this level aren't interesting and important, e.g. why was the election called now? But when that's all the coverage there is, it feels like everyone is treating this like a sports match.

24th October 2007, 06:56 AM	#11
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24th October 2007, 07:04 AM	#12
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: N55.47'36" E12.30'21" Posts: 10,485	Originally Posted by MG1962 Well I am available Mind you there is no money back promises - Thats if you dont mind a prince, still looking a bit like a frog lol Well, as long as I'm not doing the kissing.... Actually, I meant, of course, that you can have a couple of our princes instead of Mary. I'm not that much of a royalist, but if we are to have a crown princess at all, she is certainly a good bet if I ever saw one. Hans
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24th October 2007, 10:46 AM	#13
El Greco Summer worshipper Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Παρά θιν'αλός Posts: 11,785	Elections on Tuesday ? Damn, why do we always have them on Sunday here ?
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24th October 2007, 11:08 AM	#14
Pardalis Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 19,186	Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson You only have 3 weeks of cheerleading?!!! We've been dealing with it for months and our election isn't until November 2008! Americans never do anything simple.
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24th October 2007, 12:10 PM	#15
Tsukasa Buddha Other (please write in) Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NeverLand Posts: 4,637	Waah, you guys have too many parties. I can't decide... Christian Democrats ! Actually, I'd go with Enhedslisten, Socialistisk Folkeparti, Socialdemokraterne, or Det Radikale Venstre. I can't decide between them without actually speaking the language.
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24th October 2007, 12:19 PM	#16
cj.23 Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kadath in the Cold Waste Posts: 2,057	I am in favour of whoever backs the emigre vote, and wishes to give vast tax breaks and large cash rewards to lure them back to Danmark. I suppose also plans to build a huge university in Falster, preferably on my family land, would also be good. OK, someone tell me the actual issues, as I think I get a vote... cj x
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24th October 2007, 12:36 PM	#17
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 16,228	Originally Posted by The_Fire Approx. 30 minutes ago, the Danish prime minister, Anders "Fjog" Rasmussen called a prime election with vote date november 13th 2007. This means that for the next 3 weeks various political parties are going to vying for my personal vote, selling themselves like prostitutes on speed. Problem is that this year I actually want to VOTE instead of putting my "x" down after the eniey-miney-moe method that most of my peers seems to favour. So if anyone could help me figure the differences out between the various chair-hoggers and their respective cheerleading squads (read: Political parties), I would be most gratefull. Yes, this is mostly for the Danish members of JREF, but I figured it could make for a nice debate....... Well, you could start reading the articles at Wikipedia about the parties in Denmark: Venstre, Danmarks Liberale Parti (V) Socialdemokraterne (A) Dansk Folkeparti (O) Det Konservative Folkeparti (C) Det Radikale Venstre (B) Socialistisk Folkeparti (F) Enhedslisten – De Rød-Grønne (Ø) Ny Alliance (Y)* Løsgængere And then you could go on and learn about their current political programs: www.venstre.dk socialdemokraterne.dk danskfolkeparti.dk konservative.dk www.radikale.dk www.sf.dk enhedslisten.dk www.nyalliance.dk
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24th October 2007, 12:46 PM	#18
Pardalis Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 19,186	That social democrat is a cutie.
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24th October 2007, 12:57 PM	#19
Cainkane1 Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The great American southeast Posts: 2,566	I hope the muslims are never able to elect a person in Denmark. I've heard that they want the law of sharia in Denmark one day.
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24th October 2007, 01:03 PM	#20
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 16,228	Originally Posted by Cainkane1 I hope the muslims are never able to elect a person in Denmark. I've heard that they want the law of sharia in Denmark one day. (Stop watching Fox&Co)
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24th October 2007, 01:08 PM	#21
CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,805	Originally Posted by Cainkane1 I hope the muslims are never able to elect a person in Denmark. I've heard that they want the law of sharia in Denmark one day. Naser Khader is a muslim and a member of the Parliament. And no, he doesn't want sharia in Denmark.
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24th October 2007, 02:20 PM	#22
ThatSoundAgain Muse Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: cph Posts: 780	Originally Posted by Pardalis That social democrat is a cutie. On a similar level, after listening to the deabte tonight, I can't decide if she'd be more or less annoying, sonically, than the current PM (she's the only real contender a this point). None of them are great speakers, unfortunately. Still, a change from Fogh's nasal droning of simplistic, ready-made talking points would be welcome.

24th October 2007, 02:31 PM	#23
ThatSoundAgain Muse Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: cph Posts: 780	Originally Posted by CFLarsen Naser Khader is a muslim and a member of the Parliament. And no, he doesn't want sharia in Denmark. I believe Hüseyin Arac is as well. Oh noes! That's two! Cainkane, I've heard lots of things, too. If I'm going to hope for something, it is that more people who aren't members of the state church get elected. That includes muslims. We need that to focus the criticism of such an institution.
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24th October 2007, 03:42 PM	#24
chran Muse Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Denmark, yo Posts: 589	Here's a summary in English for all you non-Vikings. And ... Ny Alliance for the win!

25th October 2007, 12:17 AM	#25
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: N55.47'36" E12.30'21" Posts: 10,485	Originally Posted by Cainkane1 I hope the muslims are never able to elect a person in Denmark. I've heard that they want the law of sharia in Denmark one day. Nah, that's just a few of them. Most know better than that. In fact, a number of them are fugitives from countries with sharia laws. Anyhow, there are already a few muslims in our parliament. Hans
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25th October 2007, 01:33 AM	#26
WinterMute Student Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Stockholm Posts: 35	Hope that whoever gets elected priorities the rising language problem in Denmark that is highlighted in this Norwegian "documentary" ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk

25th October 2007, 03:11 PM	#27
mbp Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Copenhagen Posts: 321	Originally Posted by MRC_Hans Nah, that's just a few of them. Most know better than that. How do you know for sure? I've never seen any polls on the subject, but perhaps there have been some? Quote: In fact, a number of them are fugitives from countries with sharia laws. Some of them are, but that doesn't automatically mean they disagree with those laws.

25th October 2007, 03:20 PM	#28
mbp Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Copenhagen Posts: 321	Originally Posted by ThatSoundAgain None of them are great speakers, unfortunately. No, they really aren't. I'd say the overall level of eloquence in our politicians is rather low at the moment. The older generation had a few who were capable, but they've mostly left or faded into the background now. Quote: Still, a change from Fogh's nasal droning of simplistic, ready-made talking points would be welcome. I think simplistic, read-made talking points are here to stay no matter what side you listen to. They're all repeating their small set of prepared phrases over and over again.

25th October 2007, 04:20 PM	#29
ThatSoundAgain Muse Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: cph Posts: 780	Originally Posted by mbp No, they really aren't. I'd say the overall level of eloquence in our politicians is rather low at the moment. The older generation had a few who were capable, but they've mostly left or faded into the background now. I think simplistic, read-made talking points are here to stay no matter what side you listen to. They're all repeating their small set of prepared phrases over and over again. I'm afraid you're right about the talking points. With few exceptions, I hear that tendency all over. It's just that Fogh for some reason is made of teflon - any and all criticism of him is deflected by his prepared sound-bites. And amazingly, that works for him when it doesn't for anyone else. I mean, do you remember Jelved who couldn't get a word in edgewise because everyone was teasing her with that hand bag and something about café latte? Meanwhile Fogh, who is partly responsible for Iraq and had to leave office last time he was minister (of tax), is engorged in positive press about being "down with the people" when he does something inconsequential like rolling up his shirt-sleeves.

25th October 2007, 06:36 PM	#30
DanishDynamite Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: In the cold Posts: 10,428	Originally Posted by The_Fire Approx. 30 minutes ago, the Danish prime minister, Anders "Fjog" Rasmussen called a prime election with vote date november 13th 2007. This means that for the next 3 weeks various political parties are going to vying for my personal vote, selling themselves like prostitutes on speed. Problem is that this year I actually want to VOTE instead of putting my "x" down after the eniey-miney-moe method that most of my peers seems to favour. So if anyone could help me figure the differences out between the various chair-hoggers and their respective cheerleading squads (read: Political parties), I would be most gratefull. Yes, this is mostly for the Danish members of JREF, but I figured it could make for a nice debate....... Vote for continued good times. Vote for Venstre.

25th October 2007, 10:52 PM	#31
mbp Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Copenhagen Posts: 321	Originally Posted by ThatSoundAgain It's just that Fogh for some reason is made of teflon - any and all criticism of him is deflected by his prepared sound-bites. And amazingly, that works for him when it doesn't for anyone else. I mean, do you remember Jelved who couldn't get a word in edgewise because everyone was teasing her with that hand bag and something about café latte? Meanwhile Fogh, who is partly responsible for Iraq and had to leave office last time he was minister (of tax), is engorged in positive press about being "down with the people" when he does something inconsequential like rolling up his shirt-sleeves. That old tax thing is a non-issue. What happened wasn't his fault, but as the minister everything going on in his department was ultimately his responsibility and so he resigned. By doing this he saved his career and ensured that he'd be able to hold office again at a later date. That's how the unwritten rules are in our parliament. Pia Gjellerup, for example, did pretty much exactly the same thing and no one held that against her when she came back after being forced out of her first ministerial post. Sometimes you just have to take one for the team. Fogh certainly isn't partly responsible for Iraq. There can be no doubt that Bush would have gone ahead without any Danish support. He was partly responsible for the Danish involvement, but the opposition can't get much traction out of that because the social democrats themselves voted for some of it and because we're no longer there. I really can't remember a time when Jelved couldn't get a word in edgewise. On the contrary I feel I've spent a fairly large part of my life listening to her scolding me as if I was a naughty eight year old schoolboy. What eventually forced her out had very little to do with the press talking about her handbags, IMO. But I don't think Fogh and Jelved have (had?) very similar styles at all. No matter what else you might think of him Fogh does come across as calm, unflappable and well prepared. Of these I'll give Jelved "well prepared", but certainly not the other two.

26th October 2007, 01:33 AM	#32
Kerberos Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,612	Originally Posted by DanishDynamite Vote for continued good times. Vote for Venstre. I think he was looking for somethign slightly more substantial than a campaign slogan. we'll get enough of that from the aforementioned drug-addled prostitutes of doom.
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26th October 2007, 02:20 AM	#33
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: N55.47'36" E12.30'21" Posts: 10,485	Originally Posted by mbp How do you know for sure? I've never seen any polls on the subject, but perhaps there have been some? There is an emerging movement of moderates. Quote: Some of them are, but that doesn't automatically mean they disagree with those laws. Would seem quite likely, though. Hans
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26th October 2007, 02:27 AM	#34
erlando Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Denmark Posts: 448	I say Venstre as well.. The times the Social Democrats have been at the wheel the debt has shot through the roof. We've spent the better part of the last 6 years or so paying that debt back since Anders Fogh Rasmussen ended the latest Social Democratic spending spree.

26th October 2007, 02:47 AM	#35
CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,805	Originally Posted by erlando I say Venstre as well.. The times the Social Democrats have been at the wheel the debt has shot through the roof. We've spent the better part of the last 6 years or so paying that debt back since Anders Fogh Rasmussen ended the latest Social Democratic spending spree. Hehehe....... I don't think you want to compare public spending....
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