Prominent Troofer has protesters gunned down, rest of troof movement is silent

Sword_Of_Truth · 8th November 2007, 10:58 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071107...o_071107214231

Quote:

CARACAS (AFP) - One person was killed and six were wounded in Caracas Wednesday as an armed group attacked students returning from a protest against constitutional changes sought by leftist President Hugo Chavez, authorities said.

When Chavez is having his picture taken with Willie "Last man out" Rodriguez, the troofers are all gaga over him.

Edited by chillzero:

Edit to point to post retracting the photograph claim:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...37#post3140837

When Chavez is shooting people in the streets for "just askin questions", where are the troofers?

Where's the outrage, Swing, Bofors, Max?

Where is the "principled opposition to fascism"?

Is your position that shooting dissenters is ok if it's your side that does it?

Slayhamlet · 8th November 2007, 11:17 PM

Well, it's misleading to say that Chavez himself ordered or even sanctioned the attacks. Though it was armed thugs that were acting in his name, which is almost as bad. The true test will be to see whether Chavez does anything about it as far as prosecuting those involved and taking measures to prevent this sort of thing from happening again. I can't say I'm expecting much from him, however, given his history.

Either way, "Truthers" won't care and will keep bitching about being in a "police state," oblivious to their own hypocrisy.

Plantfoam · 9th November 2007, 01:09 AM

Regardless of his photo-op with Rodriguez, I still can't stand it when I run into Chavez fanboys. Some people seem to view him as some kind of freedom fighter, which is somewhat similar to how people blindly follow Che and display him proudly on a t-shirt. Never mind the fact that even one of his cabinet members ended up in jail for disagreeing with him on tv.

bofors · 9th November 2007, 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

Where's the outrage, Swing, Bofors, Max?

I am outraged, I tell you... let's do some "false flag" operations to get people pissed off enough at Venezuela to go to war (and steal their oil)...
~~~~~~

Seriously though, what is up with this "armed group"? For all we know this "armed group" was CIA backed and deliberately stirring up anti-Chavez sentiments...

For all we know, this could just be something like Operation Gladio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

Where is the proof that Chavez was behind this?

bofors · 9th November 2007, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by Slayhamlet

Well, it's misleading to say that Chavez himself ordered or even sanctioned the attacks.

Exactly... moreover, Chavez is not stupid enough to do something like this.

Any more than Syria kill Al-Hariri: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafik_Hariri#Assassination

What exactly do you people "intelligence" agencies like the CIA do?

There are not just a bunch James Bond-like dudes running around the saving the world.

No, they do the dirty deeds necessary to over through guys like Chavez and they stoup to the murder of civilians on a regular basis.

Just check out codenamed Operation Ajax: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état

We know damm well that the CIA is working in Vezenuala to over through Chavez as hard as it can.

Undesired Walrus · 9th November 2007, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by bofors

What exactly do you people "intelligence" agencies like the CIA do?

There are not just a bunch James Bond-like dudes running around the saving the world.

No, In your eyes, they are run by Dr No-type people.

Don't attempt to give your movement an 'edge' against the 'mainstream' people of the world. It's embarrassing.

Sword_Of_Truth · 9th November 2007, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by bofors

Seriously though, what is up with this "armed group"? For all we know this "armed group" was CIA backed and deliberately stirring up anti-Chavez sentiments...

So that's your response to every crime that is committed by a troofer?

Whether its Chavez gunning down protesters or Ahmedinijad executing homosexuals, it's not them... it's all the CIA?

funk de fino · 9th November 2007, 02:33 AM

I shared a villa in Saudi earlier this year with a guy from Colombia who has lived and worked and has relations in Venezuela, and the stories he told me about Chavez were shocking.

The loonies can defend him and blame the CIA all they want it only makes them look more stupid.

hypocrisy of a huge level

jhunter1163 · 9th November 2007, 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

So that's your response to every crime that is committed by a troofer?

Whether its Chavez gunning down protesters or Ahmedinijad executing homosexuals, it's not them... it's all the CIA?

Not always. Sometimes it's the Mossad.

SDC · 9th November 2007, 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by jhunter1163

Not always. Sometimes it's the Mossad.

Remember the good old days when it might be General Motors?

Sigh. Those days are gone.

jhunter1163 · 9th November 2007, 02:53 AM

Originally Posted by SDC

Remember the good old days when it might be General Motors?

Sigh. Those days are gone.

I'm nostalgic for the good old days when Commies roamed the land and that heroic Senator McCarthy took them on practically single-handedly. Those were the days, huh?

SDC · 9th November 2007, 02:57 AM

Originally Posted by jhunter1163

I'm nostalgic for the good old days when Commies roamed the land and that heroic Senator McCarthy took them on practically single-handedly. Those were the days, huh?

You're right. Good old Tail Gunner Joe. And Roy Cohn before he got all weird'n'stuff... Remember Herb Philbrick? "I Married a Communist."

"Don't Cry for me, Foggy Bottom..."

Sword_Of_Truth · 9th November 2007, 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by jhunter1163

Not always. Sometimes it's the Mossad.

[troofer]
What makes you think that the CIA and MOSSAD are seperate organizations?
[/troofer]

firecoins · 9th November 2007, 03:25 AM

Iran doesn't have homosexuals. They don't have that phenomina. I don't know who told you Iran had it.

firecoins · 9th November 2007, 03:26 AM

Of course the CIA and Mossad are separate organizations. Mossad are the cool kids while the CIA are trying to be cool.

Molinaro · 9th November 2007, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by bofors

ISeriously though, what is up with this "armed group"? For all we know this "armed group" was CIA backed and deliberately stirring up anti-Chavez sentiments...

Basicaly what you are saying is that if it's in your imagination it's as good as the truth?

SpaceMonkeyZero · 9th November 2007, 05:55 AM

Say what you will about Bush... But those idiots who praise Chavez (*cough*Sheehan*cough*Hollywood*) and claim Bush is creating a Police State seriously have issues... Or they're just disingenuous in their claims for political gain.

SpaceMonkeyZero · 9th November 2007, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by Molinaro

Basicaly what you are saying is that if it's in your imagination it's as good as the truth?

I've said it a million times...

Troofers don't need proof. Speculation and Conjecture is all they need to convict in a Court of Truth™

RedIbis · 9th November 2007, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071107...o_071107214231

When Chavez is having his picture taken with Willie "Last man out" Rodriguez, the troofers are all gaga over him.

When Chavez is shooting people in the streets for "just askin questions", where are the troofers?

Where's the outrage, Swing, Bofors, Max?

Where is the "principled opposition to fascism"?

Is your position that shooting dissenters is ok if it's your side that does it?

What picture of Rodriguez with Chavez? Please post it or retract the statement.

Dave Rogers · 9th November 2007, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by bofors

Any more than Syria kill Al-Hariri: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafik_Hariri#Assassination

Clearly Syria had nothing to do with it. From your source, the infallibly reliable Wikipedia:

Quote:

The latest progress report by Brammertz has indicated that DNA evidence collected from the crime scene strongly suggests that the assassination might be the act of a young male suicide bomber.

It must, therefore, have been the Japanese.

Dave

Trakar · 9th November 2007, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071107...o_071107214231

When Chavez is having his picture taken with Willie "Last man out" Rodriguez, the troofers are all gaga over him.

When Chavez is shooting people in the streets for "just askin questions", where are the troofers?

Where's the outrage, Swing, Bofors, Max?

Where is the "principled opposition to fascism"?

Is your position that shooting dissenters is ok if it's your side that does it?

Other than occassionally pandering to the truthers how are Chavez and the truthers on "the same side?" Sounds like quite a ridiculous stretch. Are you sure you're not engaging in a bit of political ideologue rhetoric yourself? How is such a statement fundementally different from the absurdist declarations of any other extremist?

SpaceMonkeyZero · 9th November 2007, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by TShaitanaku

Other than occassionally pandering to the truthers how are Chavez and the truthers on "the same side?"

They both want to see the end of the U.S.A. "Regime".

Truthers are all gaga over Ahmadinnajad when he speaks out against Jews, 9/11, and America.

I believe the term "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" fits here perfectly.

SDC · 9th November 2007, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

Clearly Syria had nothing to do with it. From your source, the infallibly reliable Wikipedia:

It must, therefore, have been the Japanese.

Dave

I scoff at this statement. It was the Tamil Tigers. Especially the guy who just got arrested who was in baggage handling at Newark International airport. (I think I have that right.)

Good Lt · 9th November 2007, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Where is the proof that Chavez was behind this?

Where is the proof that explosives were used to demolish WTC7 or the Twin Towers?

RedIbis · 9th November 2007, 06:52 AM

Does anyone have a pic of Rodriguez with Chavez? Anyone?

SDC · 9th November 2007, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

Does anyone have a pic of Rodriguez with Chavez? Anyone?

Yep. Chavez is the one in the Vera Wang dress with the black slingbacks.

Be still my heart.

RedIbis · 9th November 2007, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by SDC

Yep. Chavez is the one in the Vera Wang dress with the black slingbacks.

Be still my heart.

In other words you don't have one. Might we request that the OP edit the post to make note of the fact that such a picture doesn't exist.

SDC · 9th November 2007, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

In other words you don't have one. Might we request that the OP edit the post to make note of the fact that such a picture doesn't exist.

All right all right. It's not Vera Wang. But he is wearing those hot, hot black slingbacks.

Sheesh you are so persnickety.

Trakar · 9th November 2007, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkeyZero

They both want to see the end of the U.S.A. "Regime".

Truthers are all gaga over Ahmadinnajad when he speaks out against Jews, 9/11, and America.

I believe the term "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" fits here perfectly.

I guess if one ascribes to such idiocy, it makes perfect sense.

How come these polarized groups hate each other so much when they seem to think so much alike and act in the same manner, just from opposite poles of extremism?

Brainache · 9th November 2007, 07:18 AM

Jeez I love WIKI, read about these guys Truth dudes:

The National Endowment for Democracy, or NED, is a U.S. non-profit organization that was founded in 1983, to promote democracy by providing cash grants funded primarily through an annual allocation from the U.S. Congress. Although administered as a private organization, its funding comes almost entirely from a governmental appropriation by Congress and it was created by an act of Congress. In addition to its grants program, NED also supports and houses the Journal for Democracy, the World Movement for Democracy, the International Forum for Democratic Studies, the Reagan-Fascell Fellowship Program, the Network of Democracy Research Institutes, and the Center for International Media Assistance. It has been criticized by both right-wing and left-wing personalities of interferences in foreign regimes, and of being set up to legally continue the CIA's prohibited activities of support to selected political parties abroad [1].

Why do we have to do all the work?

SpaceMonkeyZero · 9th November 2007, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by TShaitanaku

I guess if one ascribes to such idiocy, it makes perfect sense.

How come these polarized groups hate each other so much when they seem to think so much alike and act in the same manner, just from opposite poles of extremism?

Wait... where does the Truth movement show that they hate Iran and Chavez so much? Where does Iran show it's hate for Chavez or the truth movement. Chavez doesn't show hate for Iran or the truth movement.

The left-right spectrum is more like a cylinder. The extreme left and extreme right meet up at some point and as long as they can be seen as non-threatening to each other in some differences (such as religion in Iran and Chavez's pseudo Christianity/Atheism doublespeak) then they find they have a lot in common.

Good Lt · 9th November 2007, 07:27 AM

Here's a pic of a prominent Troofer with Hugo Chavez.

RedIbis · 9th November 2007, 07:29 AM

Good LT,
Please try again. From the OP:

"When Chavez is having his picture taken with Willie "Last man out" Rodriguez, the troofers are all gaga over him."

SDC · 9th November 2007, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

Good LT,
Please try again. From the OP:

"When Chavez is having his picture taken with Willie "Last man out" Rodriguez, the troofers are all gaga over him."

It was Halloween. Rodriguez is on the right (red jacket), and Chavez on the left (blond with thumb gesture). You can't see the shoes in this picture, unfortunately.

Good Lt · 9th November 2007, 07:35 AM

Try what agian? I was merely pointing out that a prominent Troofer and Hugo Chavez are buddy-buddy.

I'm not trying to find pictures of Willie and Hugo.

Brainache · 9th November 2007, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

Good LT,
Please try again. From the OP:

"When Chavez is having his picture taken with Willie "Last man out" Rodriguez, the troofers are all gaga over him."

Why are you ignoring my post?

RedIbis · 9th November 2007, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by Good Lt

Try what agian? I was merely pointing out that a prominent Troofer and Hugo Chavez are buddy-buddy.

I'm not trying to find pictures of Willie and Hugo.

Why not? It's a claim made in the OP. Why doesn't it bother the so called skeptics when one of their own posts something inaccurate?

It's a pile on when a "twoofer" does it, so why not the same scrutiny?

And this is a big charge, that Rodriguez would meet with and take a picture with Chavez.

RedIbis · 9th November 2007, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by Brainache

Why are you ignoring my post?

Because I have absolutely no idea what your point is.

Brainache · 9th November 2007, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

Why not? It's a claim made in the OP. Why doesn't it bother the so called skeptics when one of their own posts something inaccurate?

It's a pile on when a "twoofer" does it, so why not the same scrutiny?

And this is a big charge, that Rodriguez would meet with and take a picture with Chavez.

Who gives a rats bottom about Willy Rodriguez? What about NED?

Disbelief · 9th November 2007, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

What picture of Rodriguez with Chavez? Please post it or retract the statement.

Who says the pics are posted? Are you denying that Willie met with the dictator of what is becoming a real police state and that the truthers were pleased?

9th November 2007, 01:32 AM	#4
bofors Muse Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 579	Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth Where's the outrage, Swing, Bofors, Max? I am outraged, I tell you... let's do some "false flag" operations to get people pissed off enough at Venezuela to go to war (and steal their oil)... ~~~~~~ Seriously though, what is up with this "armed group"? For all we know this "armed group" was CIA backed and deliberately stirring up anti-Chavez sentiments... For all we know, this could just be something like Operation Gladio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio Where is the proof that Chavez was behind this?
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9th November 2007, 01:46 AM	#5
bofors Muse Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 579	Originally Posted by Slayhamlet Well, it's misleading to say that Chavez himself ordered or even sanctioned the attacks. Exactly... moreover, Chavez is not stupid enough to do something like this. Any more than Syria kill Al-Hariri: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafik_Hariri#Assassination What exactly do you people "intelligence" agencies like the CIA do? There are not just a bunch James Bond-like dudes running around the saving the world. No, they do the dirty deeds necessary to over through guys like Chavez and they stoup to the murder of civilians on a regular basis. Just check out codenamed Operation Ajax: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état We know damm well that the CIA is working in Vezenuala to over through Chavez as hard as it can.
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9th November 2007, 02:33 AM	#8
funk de fino Dreaming of unicorns Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Alba Posts: 10,789	I shared a villa in Saudi earlier this year with a guy from Colombia who has lived and worked and has relations in Venezuela, and the stories he told me about Chavez were shocking. The loonies can defend him and blame the CIA all they want it only makes them look more stupid. hypocrisy of a huge level
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9th November 2007, 03:25 AM	#14
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9th November 2007, 03:26 AM	#15
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8th November 2007, 11:17 PM	#2
Slayhamlet Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,427	Well, it's misleading to say that Chavez himself ordered or even sanctioned the attacks. Though it was armed thugs that were acting in his name, which is almost as bad. The true test will be to see whether Chavez does anything about it as far as prosecuting those involved and taking measures to prevent this sort of thing from happening again. I can't say I'm expecting much from him, however, given his history. Either way, "Truthers" won't care and will keep bitching about being in a "police state," oblivious to their own hypocrisy.

9th November 2007, 01:09 AM	#3
Plantfoam Thinker Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 219	Regardless of his photo-op with Rodriguez, I still can't stand it when I run into Chavez fanboys. Some people seem to view him as some kind of freedom fighter, which is somewhat similar to how people blindly follow Che and display him proudly on a t-shirt. Never mind the fact that even one of his cabinet members ended up in jail for disagreeing with him on tv.

9th November 2007, 02:23 AM	#6
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,882	Originally Posted by bofors What exactly do you people "intelligence" agencies like the CIA do? There are not just a bunch James Bond-like dudes running around the saving the world. No, In your eyes, they are run by Dr No-type people. Don't attempt to give your movement an 'edge' against the 'mainstream' people of the world. It's embarrassing.

9th November 2007, 02:32 AM	#7
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Originally Posted by bofors Seriously though, what is up with this "armed group"? For all we know this "armed group" was CIA backed and deliberately stirring up anti-Chavez sentiments... So that's your response to every crime that is committed by a troofer? Whether its Chavez gunning down protesters or Ahmedinijad executing homosexuals, it's not them... it's all the CIA?

9th November 2007, 02:36 AM	#9
jhunter1163 Beer-Swilling Semiliterate Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Room 118, Bohemian Grove Marriott Posts: 15,557	Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth So that's your response to every crime that is committed by a troofer? Whether its Chavez gunning down protesters or Ahmedinijad executing homosexuals, it's not them... it's all the CIA? Not always. Sometimes it's the Mossad.

9th November 2007, 02:47 AM	#10
SDC Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York area Posts: 2,250	Originally Posted by jhunter1163 Not always. Sometimes it's the Mossad. Remember the good old days when it might be General Motors? Sigh. Those days are gone.

9th November 2007, 02:53 AM	#11
jhunter1163 Beer-Swilling Semiliterate Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Room 118, Bohemian Grove Marriott Posts: 15,557	Originally Posted by SDC Remember the good old days when it might be General Motors? Sigh. Those days are gone. I'm nostalgic for the good old days when Commies roamed the land and that heroic Senator McCarthy took them on practically single-handedly. Those were the days, huh?

9th November 2007, 02:57 AM	#12
SDC Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York area Posts: 2,250	Originally Posted by jhunter1163 I'm nostalgic for the good old days when Commies roamed the land and that heroic Senator McCarthy took them on practically single-handedly. Those were the days, huh? You're right. Good old Tail Gunner Joe. And Roy Cohn before he got all weird'n'stuff... Remember Herb Philbrick? "I Married a Communist." "Don't Cry for me, Foggy Bottom..."

9th November 2007, 03:15 AM	#13
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Originally Posted by jhunter1163 Not always. Sometimes it's the Mossad. [troofer] What makes you think that the CIA and MOSSAD are seperate organizations? [/troofer]

9th November 2007, 05:37 AM	#16
Molinaro Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,027	Originally Posted by bofors ISeriously though, what is up with this "armed group"? For all we know this "armed group" was CIA backed and deliberately stirring up anti-Chavez sentiments... Basicaly what you are saying is that if it's in your imagination it's as good as the truth?
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9th November 2007, 05:55 AM	#17
SpaceMonkeyZero Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: hi Barb!!!!! Posts: 1,287	Say what you will about Bush... But those idiots who praise Chavez (coughSheehancoughHollywood*) and claim Bush is creating a Police State seriously have issues... Or they're just disingenuous in their claims for political gain.

9th November 2007, 05:56 AM	#18
SpaceMonkeyZero Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: hi Barb!!!!! Posts: 1,287	Originally Posted by Molinaro Basicaly what you are saying is that if it's in your imagination it's as good as the truth? I've said it a million times... Troofers don't need proof. Speculation and Conjecture is all they need to convict in a Court of Truth™
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9th November 2007, 06:23 AM	#19
RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071107...o_071107214231 When Chavez is having his picture taken with Willie "Last man out" Rodriguez, the troofers are all gaga over him. When Chavez is shooting people in the streets for "just askin questions", where are the troofers? Where's the outrage, Swing, Bofors, Max? Where is the "principled opposition to fascism"? Is your position that shooting dissenters is ok if it's your side that does it? What picture of Rodriguez with Chavez? Please post it or retract the statement.
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9th November 2007, 06:29 AM	#20
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In a world lit only by fire. Posts: 17,894	Originally Posted by bofors Any more than Syria kill Al-Hariri: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafik_Hariri#Assassination Clearly Syria had nothing to do with it. From your source, the infallibly reliable Wikipedia: Quote: The latest progress report by Brammertz has indicated that DNA evidence collected from the crime scene strongly suggests that the assassination might be the act of a young male suicide bomber. It must, therefore, have been the Japanese. Dave
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9th November 2007, 06:33 AM	#21
Trakar Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,920	Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071107...o_071107214231 When Chavez is having his picture taken with Willie "Last man out" Rodriguez, the troofers are all gaga over him. When Chavez is shooting people in the streets for "just askin questions", where are the troofers? Where's the outrage, Swing, Bofors, Max? Where is the "principled opposition to fascism"? Is your position that shooting dissenters is ok if it's your side that does it? Other than occassionally pandering to the truthers how are Chavez and the truthers on "the same side?" Sounds like quite a ridiculous stretch. Are you sure you're not engaging in a bit of political ideologue rhetoric yourself? How is such a statement fundementally different from the absurdist declarations of any other extremist?
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9th November 2007, 06:44 AM	#22
SpaceMonkeyZero Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: hi Barb!!!!! Posts: 1,287	Originally Posted by TShaitanaku Other than occassionally pandering to the truthers how are Chavez and the truthers on "the same side?" They both want to see the end of the U.S.A. "Regime". Truthers are all gaga over Ahmadinnajad when he speaks out against Jews, 9/11, and America. I believe the term "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" fits here perfectly.

9th November 2007, 06:45 AM	#23
SDC Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York area Posts: 2,250	Originally Posted by Dave Rogers Clearly Syria had nothing to do with it. From your source, the infallibly reliable Wikipedia: It must, therefore, have been the Japanese. Dave I scoff at this statement. It was the Tamil Tigers. Especially the guy who just got arrested who was in baggage handling at Newark International airport. (I think I have that right.)

9th November 2007, 06:50 AM	#24
Good Lt Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Satellite of Love Posts: 1,487	Quote: Where is the proof that Chavez was behind this? Where is the proof that explosives were used to demolish WTC7 or the Twin Towers?

9th November 2007, 06:52 AM	#25
RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	Does anyone have a pic of Rodriguez with Chavez? Anyone?
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9th November 2007, 06:53 AM	#26
SDC Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York area Posts: 2,250	Originally Posted by RedIbis Does anyone have a pic of Rodriguez with Chavez? Anyone? Yep. Chavez is the one in the Vera Wang dress with the black slingbacks. Be still my heart.

9th November 2007, 07:00 AM	#27
RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	Originally Posted by SDC Yep. Chavez is the one in the Vera Wang dress with the black slingbacks. Be still my heart. In other words you don't have one. Might we request that the OP edit the post to make note of the fact that such a picture doesn't exist.
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9th November 2007, 07:02 AM	#28
SDC Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York area Posts: 2,250	Originally Posted by RedIbis In other words you don't have one. Might we request that the OP edit the post to make note of the fact that such a picture doesn't exist. All right all right. It's not Vera Wang. But he is wearing those hot, hot black slingbacks. Sheesh you are so persnickety.

9th November 2007, 07:05 AM	#29
Trakar Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,920	Originally Posted by SpaceMonkeyZero They both want to see the end of the U.S.A. "Regime". Truthers are all gaga over Ahmadinnajad when he speaks out against Jews, 9/11, and America. I believe the term "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" fits here perfectly. I guess if one ascribes to such idiocy, it makes perfect sense. How come these polarized groups hate each other so much when they seem to think so much alike and act in the same manner, just from opposite poles of extremism?
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9th November 2007, 07:18 AM	#30
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Knob Hill. Posts: 9,086	Jeez I love WIKI, read about these guys Truth dudes: The National Endowment for Democracy, or NED, is a U.S. non-profit organization that was founded in 1983, to promote democracy by providing cash grants funded primarily through an annual allocation from the U.S. Congress. Although administered as a private organization, its funding comes almost entirely from a governmental appropriation by Congress and it was created by an act of Congress. In addition to its grants program, NED also supports and houses the Journal for Democracy, the World Movement for Democracy, the International Forum for Democratic Studies, the Reagan-Fascell Fellowship Program, the Network of Democracy Research Institutes, and the Center for International Media Assistance. It has been criticized by both right-wing and left-wing personalities of interferences in foreign regimes, and of being set up to legally continue the CIA's prohibited activities of support to selected political parties abroad [1]. Why do we have to do all the work?
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9th November 2007, 07:25 AM	#31
SpaceMonkeyZero Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: hi Barb!!!!! Posts: 1,287	Originally Posted by TShaitanaku I guess if one ascribes to such idiocy, it makes perfect sense. How come these polarized groups hate each other so much when they seem to think so much alike and act in the same manner, just from opposite poles of extremism? Wait... where does the Truth movement show that they hate Iran and Chavez so much? Where does Iran show it's hate for Chavez or the truth movement. Chavez doesn't show hate for Iran or the truth movement. The left-right spectrum is more like a cylinder. The extreme left and extreme right meet up at some point and as long as they can be seen as non-threatening to each other in some differences (such as religion in Iran and Chavez's pseudo Christianity/Atheism doublespeak) then they find they have a lot in common.
	__________________ "NOBODY expects the Truther Movement! Our chief weapon is speculation, speculation and conjecture, conjecture and speculation. Our two weapons are conjecture and speculation, and youtube videos. Our three weapons are conjecture, speculation, and youtube videos, and an almost fanatical devotion to the "Truth". Our four. No. Amongst our weapons. Amongst our weaponry, are such elements as conjecture, speculation." Last edited by SpaceMonkeyZero; 9th November 2007 at 07:27 AM.

9th November 2007, 07:27 AM	#32
Good Lt Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Satellite of Love Posts: 1,487	Here's a pic of a prominent Troofer with Hugo Chavez.
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9th November 2007, 07:29 AM	#33
RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	Good LT, Please try again. From the OP: "When Chavez is having his picture taken with Willie "Last man out" Rodriguez, the troofers are all gaga over him."
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9th November 2007, 07:31 AM	#34
SDC Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York area Posts: 2,250	Originally Posted by RedIbis Good LT, Please try again. From the OP: "When Chavez is having his picture taken with Willie "Last man out" Rodriguez, the troofers are all gaga over him." It was Halloween. Rodriguez is on the right (red jacket), and Chavez on the left (blond with thumb gesture). You can't see the shoes in this picture, unfortunately.

9th November 2007, 07:35 AM	#35
Good Lt Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Satellite of Love Posts: 1,487	Try what agian? I was merely pointing out that a prominent Troofer and Hugo Chavez are buddy-buddy. I'm not trying to find pictures of Willie and Hugo.

9th November 2007, 07:37 AM	#36
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Knob Hill. Posts: 9,086	Originally Posted by RedIbis Good LT, Please try again. From the OP: "When Chavez is having his picture taken with Willie "Last man out" Rodriguez, the troofers are all gaga over him." Why are you ignoring my post?
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