How did Jeremy Glick's phone call last til 11:43:49am?

TC329 · 9th November 2007, 06:37 PM

pomeroo · 9th November 2007, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by TC329

Either someone made a mistake with the chronology or members of the U.S. government orchestrated devastating attacks for no particular purpose.

Good Lt · 9th November 2007, 06:52 PM

I'm inclined to believe the latter for no particular reason.

This is the smoking gun.

CHF · 9th November 2007, 06:55 PM

Quote:

How did Jeremy Glick's phone call last til 11:43:49am?
And Todd Beamer's until 10:49:29am?

I guess it's the guv doing weird stuff for no reason other than to confuse brave truthseekers like yourself.

Don't be fooled: stay focused on the laser beams and thermite!

A W Smith · 9th November 2007, 07:09 PM

http://www.post-gazette.com/headline...2gtenat4p4.asp

Quote:

She heard Beamer saying, "God help me. Jesus help me." He addressed his cohorts, still calm, saying, "Are you ready? OK," Jefferson said. She did not complete the phrase that Lisa Beamer relayed in an earlier interview with the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in which she quoted her husband using a family catch phrase: "Are you guys ready? Let's roll!"
"That's the last I heard from Todd Beamer," Jefferson said. "The line was still open, but it was silent."
For the next 15 minutes, Jefferson stayed on the line. As Verizon's operations staff told her that the plane had gone down.
"At that point, I was very upset and emotional," Jefferson said. "I was crying." She took no more calls that day.

beachnut · 9th November 2007, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by TC329

And Todd Beamer's until 10:49:29am?

How did Jeremy Glick's phone call last til 11:43:49am?

LINE LEFT OPEN!!!!!!!! (better research will result in better posts)

beachnut · 9th November 2007, 07:26 PM

LINE LEFT OPEN

This means the line was still open for over an hour! The people still died, but the phone line was left open. You could fill a book with what TC329 does not know about phones and communication; let alone 9/11.

chipmunk stew · 9th November 2007, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by pomeroo

Either someone made a mistake with the chronology or members of the U.S. government orchestrated devastating attacks for no particular purpose.

False dichotomy. The time might also have been tampered with by the Discordians.

OldTigerCub · 9th November 2007, 07:42 PM

And here I thought that a misdirected space beam had caused a shift in the time-space continuum when it bounce off of WTC7 and struck a communications satellite at precisely the moment that Flight 93 landed in Cleveland...or maybe that's too simple of an answer....

Calcas · 9th November 2007, 07:44 PM

Terrorcell, where have you been?

If this is the best you can bring than you should stay at lcf or wherever they cater to your delusions.

I'm *almost* surprised you would even post such nonsense.

Mancman · 9th November 2007, 07:51 PM

Because 9/11 was an inside job, duh.

Gravy · 9th November 2007, 07:52 PM

The coward returns!

Seventh time, Dom: tell us, right now, what these people and agencies have said about your flight 93 claims.

Shanksville Volunteer Fire Co
Shanksville, PA 15560
(814) 267-4737
Terry Schaffer, Fire Chief
Rick King, Assistant Chief

Somerset County Coroner's Office
555 Tayman Avenue, Somerset, PA 15501
(814) 445-6900
Wallace Miller, Coroner

Somerset County Emergency Services
100 East Union Street, Somerset, PA 15501
(814) 445-1515

WESTMORELAND COUNTY
DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
12 Court House Square
Greensburg, PA 15601
724-600-7300

Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency
Harrisburg, PA 17101
(717) 651-2001

Paul Sledzik, Curator Armed Forces Institute of Pathology National Museum of Health and Medicine
Leader of flight 93 Disaster Mortuary (Team DMORT)
202-782-2204 sledzik@email.afip.osd.mil

Disaster Mortuary Team Main office: 1-800-USA-NDMS, ext. 205
DMORT Region 3 office (includes Pennsylvania) 410-676-4600

Dr. Dennis C. Dirkmaat
Chief Scientific Advisor to Somerset County Coroner's office in the flight 93 investigation
Director, Applied Forensic Sciences Department
Mercyhurst College
501 E. 38th St.
Erie, PA 16546
dirkmaat@mercyhurst.edu
(814) 824-2105

boloboffin · 9th November 2007, 08:21 PM

IIRC, according to "Among The Heroes," Lyz Glick passed the phone to her father after Jeremy went to join the fight. The father walked outside and stood by a fence. The FBI broke onto the line, asking him to stay on because it was one of the only calls left connected to the flight. He did so for about two hours in the same position. Then he hung up.

I should stop being surprised at what Truthers want to cast in a sinister light.

twinstead · 9th November 2007, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by boloboffin

I should stop being surprised at what Truthers want to cast in a sinister light.

Well, it would be easier to stop being surprised if they wouldn't keep casting mundane and expected things in a sinister light...

fuelair · 9th November 2007, 08:43 PM

Give a Troofer an enema and there will be nothing left.

Slayhamlet · 9th November 2007, 09:45 PM

Wow. Is this your best stuff, TC? The latest smoking gun?

JAStewart · 10th November 2007, 03:38 AM

Debunked in 40 minutes.

qarnos · 10th November 2007, 03:58 AM

Originally Posted by JAStewart

Debunked in 40 minutes.

I've seen better.

jhunter1163 · 10th November 2007, 06:48 AM

I'll add this to the JREF record book.

Fastest debunk: 32 minutes* (A W Smith)

Fastest ban at LCF: 3 minutes** (Coritani, Digest and Mr. Herbert)

Most (rule10)s in a single post: 21 (don't remember who did that)

* - I'm sure there have been faster ones, but I'm not going to search 10,000 threads for them

** - Bell was banned before making a post at PFT, and T.A.M. was banned before making a post at LCF, but someone had created an account with his name

Jhunter1163, Official JREF Statistician

Bell · 10th November 2007, 06:53 AM

I thought this was the fasted debunk:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=98267

That video debunked itself!

chillzero · 10th November 2007, 07:11 AM

Please remember to be civil, and to discuss the topic raised by the thread. Do not personalise the discussion.

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Coffee · 10th November 2007, 07:23 AM

I knew it! The link helps prove the "cell phones are tools of evil" theory!
When will you people wake up and realize that cell phones are part of a great mind control conspiracy heaped upon us by the Crystalline Entity, Sleestaks and the Snorks !!!! They have combined their efforts to control us all!!! Get with it people and know your enemy! KNOW YOUR ENEMY!

Brainster · 10th November 2007, 07:38 AM

And on average, the two phone calls lasted until 11:11:11.

111111!

8den · 10th November 2007, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by jhunter1163

Most (rule10)s in a single post: 21 (don't remember who did that)

I think that was me.

My mum is so proud of me.

peteweaver · 10th November 2007, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by TC329

And Todd Beamer's until 10:49:29am?

How did you come to the mistaken conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job ?

Mancman · 10th November 2007, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by jhunter1163

I'll add this to the JREF record book.

Fastest debunk: 32 minutes* (A W Smith)

Fastest ban at LCF: 3 minutes** (Coritani, Digest and Mr. Herbert)

Most (rule10)s in a single post: 21 (don't remember who did that)

* - I'm sure there have been faster ones, but I'm not going to search 10,000 threads for them

** - Bell was banned before making a post at PFT, and T.A.M. was banned before making a post at LCF, but someone had created an account with his name

Jhunter1163, Official JREF Statistician

17 minute debunk: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=75081

BenBurch · 10th November 2007, 10:32 AM

Heh. The conspiracy here is that cell phone companies rip people off when only one side of a call disconnects.

jhunter1163 · 10th November 2007, 12:08 PM

Updated:

Fastest debunk: 17 minutes (Mancman)

Fastest ban at LCF: 3 minutes* (Coritani, Digest and Mr. Herbert)

Most (rule10)s in a single post: 21 (8den)

* - Bell was banned before making a post at PFT, and T.A.M. was banned before making a post at LCF, but someone had created an account with his name

If anyone would like to suggest additional categories, please feel free.

Jhunter1163, Official JREF Statistician

LashL · 10th November 2007, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Mancman

17 minute debunk: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=75081

Ah, yes. I remember that one. Nice work, Mancman.

TC329 · 11th November 2007, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by beachnut

LINE LEFT OPEN

This means the line was still open for over an hour! The people still died, but the phone line was left open. You could fill a book with what TC329 does not know about phones and communication; let alone 9/11.

The time is the phone call from the plane not the operator to the plane. In order for it to "remain open" there has to be a connection or the call is "closed". This isn't the timing from the 911 Operator to Flight 93.

slyjoe · 11th November 2007, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by TC329

The time is the phone call from the plane not the operator to the plane. In order for it to "remain open" there has to be a connection or the call is "closed". This isn't the timing from the 911 Operator to Flight 93.

Wrong. The connection is open as long as the network says it is open.

BenBurch · 11th November 2007, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by TC329

The time is the phone call from the plane not the operator to the plane. In order for it to "remain open" there has to be a connection or the call is "closed". This isn't the timing from the 911 Operator to Flight 93.

Nope. I've designed telephone switches, and this is just not how it typically works. If you get what is called "disconnect supervision" you can terminate a connection when either side drops, but if you don't, then you can hang for hours. Various mechanisms try to fix this, but the phone network is a multivendor solution...

apathoid · 11th November 2007, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by TC329

The time is the phone call from the plane not the operator to the plane. In order for it to "remain open" there has to be a connection or the call is "closed". This isn't the timing from the 911 Operator to Flight 93.

And exactly how did you determine this? Please don't say: "it's obvious" or "common sense" or "clearly....". Something remotely technical or factual would be nice....

TC329 · 11th November 2007, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Gravy

The coward returns!

Seventh time, Dom: tell us, right now, what these people and agencies have said about your flight 93 claims.

Ohhhhhh first the King Nazi himself takes a moment to give me a personal attack! Thanks for opening the door so I could repay a compliment.

Then he forgets that I'm supposed to be on ignore because he claims he can't see me everytime I ask questions he doesn't want to answer.

But the real irony is he has the audacity to call me a coward after repeatedly hiding from an actual Shanksville debate with me.

So let's address what Mark doesn't want to :

1) Is UA93 approaches on a Southeast approach then how does the debris scatter southwest?

2) If 90% of the plane is inside the crater then how can the debris be scatteret in a southwest direction for 3-4 miles?

3) If the debris is scattered in a southwest direction then how are they 2 seperate debris fields to the southeast?

4) How can there be a seperate debris field 2 miles Southeast in Indian Lake?

5) How can there be a seperate debris field 8 miles Southeast in New Baltimore?

6) Why are Johnstown Air Traffic controllers who worked that morning under gag orders?

7) Why are West Moreland County 911 Operators who worked that morning under gag orders?

8) Why did the FBI have to set up sites in Indian Lake and New Baltimore for residents to bring all the "fuselage" debris to? I say fuselage because it was little silver/grey chunks like seen in the Shanksville area along with a black webbing like material.

9) How could human remains be recovered from Indian Lake?

10) What plane flew over Val McClatchey's house?

11) What plane flew over Susan McElwain?

12) What plane approached from Indian Lake before the crash?

13) Why did the FBI confiscate and classify the West Moreland County 911 call received from Ed Felt that morning?

14) How did so many area residents report hearing "bangs, like explosions" before the plane crashed?

15) Why does Lee Purbaugh insist there wasn't any blue on the plane he saw and he saw it flying right side up and that it was a dark grey color?

ETA : BTW, I called your list..... lol

TC329 · 11th November 2007, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by slyjoe

Wrong. The connection is open as long as the network says it is open.

You can't connect to something that no longer exists.

slyjoe · 11th November 2007, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by TC329

You can't connect to something that no longer exists.

I don't think you know what the word "connection" means in a telephone switch context.

peteweaver · 11th November 2007, 10:17 AM

1) why do 'truth' seeker sites always contain lies, spin, and misquoted information?
2) why do 'truth' videos, do the same.
3) how much money is being made in the name of 'truth'?
4) have you ever questioned the 'truth' industry ?
5) 19 men with knives hijacked airliners; on a scale of one to ten, what chance do you think of defending himself, does a pilot have when he's sat down flying a plane, and has his back to his assailant ?

BenBurch · 11th November 2007, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by TC329

You can't connect to something that no longer exists.

The question, Einstein, is whether the NETWORK knows that the originating station is gone.

It doesn't.

BenBurch · 11th November 2007, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by slyjoe

I don't think you know what the word "connection" means in a telephone switch context.

At the termination sides we refer to "seizing the line", but from switch to switch we have a connection. The defect occurs in this case at the termination.

BenBurch · 11th November 2007, 10:35 AM

You can take a Western Electric Candlestick dial phone from 1919 and with a change of connector you can usually actually successfully connect it to a residential line and make a call with it today. (The dial pulse rate changed and got faster at some point, and there are so few older phones now that some equipment ((Notably the SLC)) can no longer handle the lower rate.)

The phone network itself is absolutely not at all like the technology of 1919, fiber optics, digital switches, etc. But at all times the network had to be backwards-compatible unless there was a DAMNED good reason as there was so much installed base of switching and other gear.

But at your end, at the end of your POTS line, it is still 1919.

9th November 2007, 06:37 PM	#1
TC329 Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,459	How did Jeremy Glick's phone call last til 11:43:49am? And Todd Beamer's until 10:49:29am?
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9th November 2007, 06:42 PM	#2
pomeroo Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In a Little Cafe Just the Other Side of the Border Posts: 7,090	Originally Posted by TC329 And Todd Beamer's until 10:49:29am? Either someone made a mistake with the chronology or members of the U.S. government orchestrated devastating attacks for no particular purpose.

9th November 2007, 07:09 PM	#5
A W Smith Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Jersey Posts: 5,233	http://www.post-gazette.com/headline...2gtenat4p4.asp Quote: She heard Beamer saying, "God help me. Jesus help me." He addressed his cohorts, still calm, saying, "Are you ready? OK," Jefferson said. She did not complete the phrase that Lisa Beamer relayed in an earlier interview with the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in which she quoted her husband using a family catch phrase: "Are you guys ready? Let's roll!" "That's the last I heard from Todd Beamer," Jefferson said. "The line was still open, but it was silent." For the next 15 minutes, Jefferson stayed on the line. As Verizon's operations staff told her that the plane had gone down. "At that point, I was very upset and emotional," Jefferson said. "I was crying." She took no more calls that day.
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9th November 2007, 07:23 PM	#6
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Hot tub Posts: 12,616	Originally Posted by TC329 And Todd Beamer's until 10:49:29am? How did Jeremy Glick's phone call last til 11:43:49am? LINE LEFT OPEN!!!!!!!! (better research will result in better posts)
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9th November 2007, 07:26 PM	#7
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Hot tub Posts: 12,616	Yes das line vas left open - Elementary my dear truther! LINE LEFT OPEN This means the line was still open for over an hour! The people still died, but the phone line was left open. You could fill a book with what TC329 does not know about phones and communication; let alone 9/11.
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9th November 2007, 06:52 PM	#3
Good Lt Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Philly Posts: 1,050	I'm inclined to believe the latter for no particular reason. This is the smoking gun.

9th November 2007, 06:55 PM	#4
CHF Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,795	Quote: How did Jeremy Glick's phone call last til 11:43:49am? And Todd Beamer's until 10:49:29am? I guess it's the guv doing weird stuff for no reason other than to confuse brave truthseekers like yourself. Don't be fooled: stay focused on the laser beams and thermite!

9th November 2007, 07:27 PM	#8
chipmunk stew The Spikey Mace of Love and Mercy Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Media, PA Posts: 6,612	Originally Posted by pomeroo Either someone made a mistake with the chronology or members of the U.S. government orchestrated devastating attacks for no particular purpose. False dichotomy. The time might also have been tampered with by the Discordians.
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9th November 2007, 07:42 PM	#9
OldTigerCub Striped Shapeshifting Reptoid Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Steeler Nation, Pa. Posts: 1,621	And here I thought that a misdirected space beam had caused a shift in the time-space continuum when it bounce off of WTC7 and struck a communications satellite at precisely the moment that Flight 93 landed in Cleveland...or maybe that's too simple of an answer....
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9th November 2007, 07:44 PM	#10
Calcas Master of my Domain Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,472	Terrorcell, where have you been? If this is the best you can bring than you should stay at lcf or wherever they cater to your delusions. I'm almost surprised you would even post such nonsense.
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9th November 2007, 07:51 PM	#11
Mancman Muse Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 973	Because 9/11 was an inside job, duh.
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9th November 2007, 07:52 PM	#12
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,063	The coward returns! Seventh time, Dom: tell us, right now, what these people and agencies have said about your flight 93 claims. Shanksville Volunteer Fire Co Shanksville, PA 15560 (814) 267-4737 Terry Schaffer, Fire Chief Rick King, Assistant Chief Somerset County Coroner's Office 555 Tayman Avenue, Somerset, PA 15501 (814) 445-6900 Wallace Miller, Coroner Somerset County Emergency Services 100 East Union Street, Somerset, PA 15501 (814) 445-1515 WESTMORELAND COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT 12 Court House Square Greensburg, PA 15601 724-600-7300 Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency Harrisburg, PA 17101 (717) 651-2001 Paul Sledzik, Curator Armed Forces Institute of Pathology National Museum of Health and Medicine Leader of flight 93 Disaster Mortuary (Team DMORT) 202-782-2204 sledzik@email.afip.osd.mil Disaster Mortuary Team Main office: 1-800-USA-NDMS, ext. 205 DMORT Region 3 office (includes Pennsylvania) 410-676-4600 Dr. Dennis C. Dirkmaat Chief Scientific Advisor to Somerset County Coroner's office in the flight 93 investigation Director, Applied Forensic Sciences Department Mercyhurst College 501 E. 38th St. Erie, PA 16546 dirkmaat@mercyhurst.edu (814) 824-2105
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9th November 2007, 08:21 PM	#13
boloboffin Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 5,005	IIRC, according to "Among The Heroes," Lyz Glick passed the phone to her father after Jeremy went to join the fight. The father walked outside and stood by a fence. The FBI broke onto the line, asking him to stay on because it was one of the only calls left connected to the flight. He did so for about two hours in the same position. Then he hung up. I should stop being surprised at what Truthers want to cast in a sinister light.

9th November 2007, 08:41 PM	#14
twinstead Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 6,513	Originally Posted by boloboffin I should stop being surprised at what Truthers want to cast in a sinister light. Well, it would be easier to stop being surprised if they wouldn't keep casting mundane and expected things in a sinister light...

9th November 2007, 08:43 PM	#15
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9th November 2007, 09:45 PM	#16
Slayhamlet Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,249	Wow. Is this your best stuff, TC? The latest smoking gun?

10th November 2007, 03:38 AM	#17
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10th November 2007, 03:58 AM	#18
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10th November 2007, 06:53 AM	#20
Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 6,046	I thought this was the fasted debunk: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=98267 That video debunked itself!
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10th November 2007, 07:23 AM	#22
Coffee Caffeine Pusher Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 392	I knew it! The link helps prove the "cell phones are tools of evil" theory! When will you people wake up and realize that cell phones are part of a great mind control conspiracy heaped upon us by the Crystalline Entity, Sleestaks and the Snorks !!!! They have combined their efforts to control us all!!! Get with it people and know your enemy! KNOW YOUR ENEMY!

10th November 2007, 07:38 AM	#23
Brainster Philosopher Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,062	And on average, the two phone calls lasted until 11:11:11. 111111!
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10th November 2007, 07:50 AM	#24
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10th November 2007, 08:12 AM	#25
peteweaver Muse Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: North Yorkshire, UK. Posts: 993	Originally Posted by TC329 And Todd Beamer's until 10:49:29am? How did you come to the mistaken conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job ?

10th November 2007, 09:18 AM	#26
Mancman Muse Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 973	Originally Posted by jhunter1163 I'll add this to the JREF record book. Fastest debunk: 32 minutes* (A W Smith) Fastest ban at LCF: 3 minutes** (Coritani, Digest and Mr. Herbert) Most (rule10)s in a single post: 21 (don't remember who did that) * - I'm sure there have been faster ones, but I'm not going to search 10,000 threads for them ** - Bell was banned before making a post at PFT, and T.A.M. was banned before making a post at LCF, but someone had created an account with his name Jhunter1163, Official JREF Statistician 17 minute debunk: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=75081
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10th November 2007, 10:32 AM	#27
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 13,780	Heh. The conspiracy here is that cell phone companies rip people off when only one side of a call disconnects.
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10th November 2007, 12:08 PM	#28
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10th November 2007, 12:21 PM	#29
LashL Goddess of Legaltainment™ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NWO Annual General Meeting Posts: 8,556	Originally Posted by Mancman 17 minute debunk: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=75081 Ah, yes. I remember that one. Nice work, Mancman.
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11th November 2007, 09:59 AM	#30
TC329 Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,459	Originally Posted by beachnut LINE LEFT OPEN This means the line was still open for over an hour! The people still died, but the phone line was left open. You could fill a book with what TC329 does not know about phones and communication; let alone 9/11. The time is the phone call from the plane not the operator to the plane. In order for it to "remain open" there has to be a connection or the call is "closed". This isn't the timing from the 911 Operator to Flight 93.
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11th November 2007, 10:03 AM	#31
slyjoe Muse Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Near Harmonica Virgins Posts: 837	Originally Posted by TC329 The time is the phone call from the plane not the operator to the plane. In order for it to "remain open" there has to be a connection or the call is "closed". This isn't the timing from the 911 Operator to Flight 93. Wrong. The connection is open as long as the network says it is open.
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11th November 2007, 10:10 AM	#32
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 13,780	Originally Posted by TC329 The time is the phone call from the plane not the operator to the plane. In order for it to "remain open" there has to be a connection or the call is "closed". This isn't the timing from the 911 Operator to Flight 93. Nope. I've designed telephone switches, and this is just not how it typically works. If you get what is called "disconnect supervision" you can terminate a connection when either side drops, but if you don't, then you can hang for hours. Various mechanisms try to fix this, but the phone network is a multivendor solution...
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11th November 2007, 10:10 AM	#33
apathoid Government Loyalist Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The Virgo Supercluster Posts: 2,599	Originally Posted by TC329 The time is the phone call from the plane not the operator to the plane. In order for it to "remain open" there has to be a connection or the call is "closed". This isn't the timing from the 911 Operator to Flight 93. And exactly how did you determine this? Please don't say: "it's obvious" or "common sense" or "clearly....". Something remotely technical or factual would be nice....
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11th November 2007, 10:11 AM	#34
TC329 Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,459	Originally Posted by Gravy The coward returns! Seventh time, Dom: tell us, right now, what these people and agencies have said about your flight 93 claims. Ohhhhhh first the King Nazi himself takes a moment to give me a personal attack! Thanks for opening the door so I could repay a compliment. Then he forgets that I'm supposed to be on ignore because he claims he can't see me everytime I ask questions he doesn't want to answer. But the real irony is he has the audacity to call me a coward after repeatedly hiding from an actual Shanksville debate with me. So let's address what Mark doesn't want to : 1) Is UA93 approaches on a Southeast approach then how does the debris scatter southwest? 2) If 90% of the plane is inside the crater then how can the debris be scatteret in a southwest direction for 3-4 miles? 3) If the debris is scattered in a southwest direction then how are they 2 seperate debris fields to the southeast? 4) How can there be a seperate debris field 2 miles Southeast in Indian Lake? 5) How can there be a seperate debris field 8 miles Southeast in New Baltimore? 6) Why are Johnstown Air Traffic controllers who worked that morning under gag orders? 7) Why are West Moreland County 911 Operators who worked that morning under gag orders? 8) Why did the FBI have to set up sites in Indian Lake and New Baltimore for residents to bring all the "fuselage" debris to? I say fuselage because it was little silver/grey chunks like seen in the Shanksville area along with a black webbing like material. 9) How could human remains be recovered from Indian Lake? 10) What plane flew over Val McClatchey's house? 11) What plane flew over Susan McElwain? 12) What plane approached from Indian Lake before the crash? 13) Why did the FBI confiscate and classify the West Moreland County 911 call received from Ed Felt that morning? 14) How did so many area residents report hearing "bangs, like explosions" before the plane crashed? 15) Why does Lee Purbaugh insist there wasn't any blue on the plane he saw and he saw it flying right side up and that it was a dark grey color? ETA : BTW, I called your list..... lol
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11th November 2007, 10:13 AM	#35
TC329 Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,459	Originally Posted by slyjoe Wrong. The connection is open as long as the network says it is open. You can't connect to something that no longer exists.
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11th November 2007, 10:16 AM	#36
slyjoe Muse Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Near Harmonica Virgins Posts: 837	Originally Posted by TC329 You can't connect to something that no longer exists. I don't think you know what the word "connection" means in a telephone switch context.
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