JREF Presidency Poll

Oliver · 14th November 2007, 03:04 AM

Okely Dokely, who's your favorite right now?

Oliver · 14th November 2007, 03:16 AM

There are even more third-party candidates, but the poll is limited to
20 options...

Third parties

Main article: United States third party presidential candidates, 2008

Constitution Party

Candidates for the Constitution Party:

Don J. Grundmann† of California (Campaign site)
Bryan Malatesta† of Texas [40]
Diane Beall Templin† of California[41]

Green Party

Candidates for the Green Party (Official Press Release):

Jared Ball† of Washington DC (Campaign site)
Elaine Brown† of Georgia [42] (Campaign site)
Jesse Johnson† of West Virginia, former Mountain Party candidate for US Senate and Governor of West Virginia
Jerry Kann† of New York (Campaign site)
Cynthia McKinney of Georgia, former Congresswoman[43][44]
Kent Mesplay of California, California Delegate to the Green National Committee (Campaign site)
Kat Swift† of Texas, co-chair of Texas Green Party (Campaign site)

Potential candidates

Ralph Nader of Connecticut [45] (Draft Movement)
Rebecca Rotzler† of New York [46]

Libertarian Party

Candidates for the Libertarian Party:

Daniel Imperato of Florida (Campaign Site)
Bob Jackson of Michigan (Campaign Site)
Mike Jingozian of Oregon (Campaign Site)
Steve Kubby of California (Campaign Site)
Alden Link of New York. (Campaign Site)
George Phillies of Massachusetts (Campaign Site)
Wayne Allyn Root† of Nevada (Campaign Site)
Christine Smith of Colorado (Campaign Site)

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_U....ertarian_Party

FireGarden · 14th November 2007, 04:43 AM

I voted as a JREF member in a JREF poll.

I am British not American, however. So there you go.

I've got no idea what Ron Paul's policies are beyond getting out of Iraq. He got my vote anyway.

Oliver · 14th November 2007, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by FireGarden

I voted as a JREF member in a JREF poll.

I am British not American, however. So there you go.

I've got no idea what Ron Paul's policies are beyond getting out of Iraq. He got my vote anyway.

And that's a wise decision for a non-American citizen.

Oliver · 14th November 2007, 05:23 AM

If there would be no Paul, I probably would be in favor of Obama as well.
I like the Idea that a non-whitey runs the country. But unfortunately, he
has no political relevant records at all...

Tailgater · 14th November 2007, 05:30 AM

I'm not ready to vote yet. I'm split with most of the candidates.

It's more of picking who I won't vote for at this point.

Oliver · 14th November 2007, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by Tailgater

I'm not ready to vote yet. I'm split with most of the candidates.

It's more of picking who I won't vote for at this point.

I think the thread wont be deleted - so just vote if you took your pick.

Or you could start a multiple-choice counter-thread - asking "Who wouldn't
you vote for?".

DoubtingStephen · 14th November 2007, 05:46 AM

As the most vocal, and nearly only, opponent in the US Congress of our war of imperialist aggression based on a pack of lies, Dennis Kucinich got my vote.

I realize that a snowball is more likely to get a membership on the board of directors in Hell than the good Representative is to be elected, but the poll asked who I liked, not which candidate I was most desperate to vote against. That will be next November.

Next year I expect to be voting against a guy that wears magic underwear. I expect the woman I vote for will lose.

Tailgater · 14th November 2007, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by Oliver

I think the thread wont be deleted - so just vote if you took your pick.

Or you could start a multiple-choice counter-thread - asking "Who wouldn't
you vote for?".

That's ok. I have to go run data for a new preschool in the next town. I'll think about it till later. I actually do like Ron Paul in many ways. I have a thing for third party candidates to begin with. I admit I voted Ross Perot just to shake the boat. I'm +economic conservative/+social liberal, which I think many are turning to. As far as Iraq, I don't want us to stay there indefinitely, but I don't want us to pullout overnight. Progress has been made of lately and needs to be followed through with. I'm hoping that the recent progress and beginning withdrawal of surge brigades will continue and a start of complete withdrawal be happening by the time I vote.

Oliver · 14th November 2007, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by Tailgater

That's ok. I have to go run data for a new preschool in the next town. I'll think about it till later. I actually do like Ron Paul in many ways. I have a thing for third party candidates to begin with. I admit I voted Ross Perot just to shake the boat. I'm +economic conservative/+social liberal, which I think many are turning to. As far as Iraq, I don't want us to stay there indefinitely, but I don't want us to pullout overnight. Progress has been made of lately and needs to be followed through with. I'm hoping that the recent progress and beginning withdrawal of surge brigades will continue and a start of complete withdrawal be happening by the time I vote.

Well - the crux is that there will be chaos anyway as soon as
the US is out of Iraq. So it doesn't really matter if they stay
or leave ... And therefore progress isn't important at all unless
you're in favor of a police state in Iraq ... [In contrast to
freedom and democracy for Iraq]

Dr Adequate · 14th November 2007, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by FireGarden

I've got no idea what Ron Paul's policies are beyond getting out of Iraq. He got my vote anyway.

Oh boy ...

Darth Rotor · 14th November 2007, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

Oh boy ...

Consider that me might be a voter in your country.

Good news, or bad?

@ Oliver:

You failed to include Alfred E. Newman and Kinky Friedman in your poll.

DR

Tsukasa Buddha · 14th November 2007, 07:49 AM

Kucinich is closer to my values on the issues that are important to me. And he's cute.

But I will probably vote for Obama, or Edwards if he can distinguish himself more.

In the general election, I will be voting against the other candidate.

Wolfman · 14th November 2007, 08:27 AM

Well, yet another non-American here (Canadian), but if I were to vote, my first choice based on my current knowledge of the candidates would be Obama. Why? Simply because the biggest international problem facing the world today is the conflict between the U.S. and Muslim nations. And out of every candidate, I think that Obama is the one in the best position to understand both sides. I doubt very much that he would find a solution -- I don't believe any real 'solution' would be possible within only 4 or 8 years of his potential presidency -- but he could at least set policies that could start things moving in the right direction.

I don't think he'll be "pro-Muslim", or soft on terrorists -- quite the opposite, I expect he'll be very hard on terrorist groups -- but I believe he's better equipped to understand the differences between the Muslim hardliners, and the moderates; and to establish policies that, instead of further alienating all Muslims (as the current administration is doing), will bring moderates more towards "our" side.

Personally, as a non-American, I don't give a crap about his ability to manage America's internal situation; and were I American, I don't know, my opinion might be different. But since the major impact that any US president will have on my life, and my country, will be in terms of international politics/conflict, I think that Obama is by far the best choice.

Oliver · 14th November 2007, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Simply because the biggest international problem facing the world today is the conflict between the U.S. and Muslim nations.

HAHAHAHAAAA!

KoihimeNakamura · 14th November 2007, 08:42 AM

As of now, I'd vote Obama, but eh...

(in any case, Oliver, just because you refuse to admit it...)

Quad4_72 · 14th November 2007, 09:08 AM

Wait I think the poll is unfair. The republicans are listed first and it is confusing me. I demand a recount!

The Central Scrutinizer · 14th November 2007, 10:39 AM

I picked Ron Paul, because I felt sorry for him and didn't want him to end up with only 1 vote (Oliver's).

And since I'm not really going to vote for him (absent suffering a major head trauma), I have now rendered the poll results meaningless.

IMST · 14th November 2007, 10:47 AM

The more I hear from Obama the more he cures me from wanting to vote for him, so I'm back to DK.

daredelvis · 14th November 2007, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

@ Oliver:

You failed to include Alfred E. Newman and Kinky Friedman in your poll.

DR

Pat Paulson (even though he's dead). Or, is Colbert the new Paulson?

Daredelvis

FireGarden · 14th November 2007, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

Oh boy ...

Garrette · 14th November 2007, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Well, yet another non-American here (Canadian), but if I were to vote, my first choice based on my current knowledge of the candidates would be Obama. Why? Simply because the biggest international problem facing the world today is the conflict between the U.S. and Muslim nations. And out of every candidate, I think that Obama is the one in the best position to understand both sides. I doubt very much that he would find a solution -- I don't believe any real 'solution' would be possible within only 4 or 8 years of his potential presidency -- but he could at least set policies that could start things moving in the right direction.

I don't think he'll be "pro-Muslim", or soft on terrorists -- quite the opposite, I expect he'll be very hard on terrorist groups -- but I believe he's better equipped to understand the differences between the Muslim hardliners, and the moderates; and to establish policies that, instead of further alienating all Muslims (as the current administration is doing), will bring moderates more towards "our" side.

Personally, as a non-American, I don't give a crap about his ability to manage America's internal situation; and were I American, I don't know, my opinion might be different. But since the major impact that any US president will have on my life, and my country, will be in terms of international politics/conflict, I think that Obama is by far the best choice.

I suggest that is a self-defeating reason to vote for him. Rightly or wrongly, in the US he risks the "Only Mondale can go to China" syndrome.

Undesired Walrus · 14th November 2007, 11:10 AM

Ok, fess up, who voted for Alan Keyes?

It would be a right laugh with him in the oval office.

Undesired Walrus · 14th November 2007, 11:12 AM

Why Romney Darth? Thought you were a McCain man?

Kerberos · 14th November 2007, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

Ok, fess up, who voted for Alan Keyes?

It would be a right laugh with him in the oval office.

You can see who voted for what, at least I can (Cain in this case).

zakur · 14th November 2007, 01:53 PM

What? No 'Planet X' option? WTF kind of jref forum poll is this?

Tsukasa Buddha · 14th November 2007, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by zakur

What? No 'Planet X' option? WTF kind of jref forum poll is this?

LOL, I am so going to write in Planet X if it is Clinton v Giuliani.

Beerina · 14th November 2007, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by zakur

What? No 'Planet X' option? WTF kind of jref forum poll is this?

All the candidates are a planet X option.

CFLarsen · 14th November 2007, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by DoubtingStephen

I expect the woman I vote for will lose.

Against who?

DoubtingStephen · 14th November 2007, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

Against who?

Against the guy with the magic underwear.

Ion · 14th November 2007, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by DoubtingStephen

As the most vocal, and nearly only, opponent in the US Congress of our war of imperialist aggression based on a pack of lies, Dennis Kucinich got my vote.
...

I voted Kucinich too.

Voting for Obama would be more realistic though.

dudalb · 14th November 2007, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by DoubtingStephen

Against the guy with the magic underwear.

I don't like Romney,but I suggest attacking his religon is not a smart political move.

DoubtingStephen · 14th November 2007, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Ion

I voted Kucinich too.

Voting for Obama would be more realistic though.

I liked Obama early on when he was talking about uniting the country, and popular feel good things like that. But as he begins to be more specific I see an increase in things I do not like, such as pandering to the religious right by associating his otherwise good name with evangelists who talk about curing homosexuality. If I want that kind of crap I can just vote Party of Jesus. At least Obama is an intelligent and well educated man, not much at all like many of his peers in the Senate. And he speaks English as if he learned it as a child, so there is one up on Our Glorious Christian Leader.

I do lean more toward the Democrats generally because they seem to be up to 4% less evil. But it has been clear to me for years that any primary contender I might like has a maximum of no chance at all of appearing on the actual election ballot unless I bring a ball point pen with me into the booth, and it's not easy to write on those darn computer screens!

I wish we had more than 1.01 major parties to choose from.

latent aaaack · 14th November 2007, 04:40 PM

Obama can't spell "flak" (indicating he's never read it in print), keeps comparing himself to Abraham Lincoln, and thinks he's bold and ambitious for talking directly with tyrant foriegn leaders rather than a tool. Intelligent - no, charismatic and good at pronouncing - yes.

GWB's greatest legacy is lowering the standard for future presidents, like having a really ugly person around you to make one look less ugly. He and Hillary also make the prospect of a military coup more likely.

Skibum · 14th November 2007, 05:10 PM

I'm undecided, chances are I'll end up throwing my vote away since I won't vote for either a democrat or a republican.

Tsukasa Buddha · 14th November 2007, 05:31 PM

What the **** is Paul doing at the top?

Who's voting for him?! Confess, and I won't have you institutionalized!

He doesn't believe in separation of church and state. He is uber pro-life. He wrote a bill that would prevent the SCOTUS from ruling on abortion, establishment, and sodomy laws.

I, for one, like sodomy.

He has never gotten a bill passed in all his years in Congress.

DoubtingStephen · 14th November 2007, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha

I, for one, like sodomy.

Your avatar is really cute!

Metullus · 14th November 2007, 05:55 PM

There is no one on that list for whom I could, in good conscience, right now vote.

Not even close.

The Painter · 14th November 2007, 06:15 PM

Quote:

I, for one, like sodomy.

Hi, how ya doin'

Elizabeth I · 14th November 2007, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Metullus

There is no one on that list for whom I could, in good conscience, right now vote.

Not even close.

That pretty much sums up my philosophy right now.

Rudy Giuliani (Rep)	13	6.60%
Mike Huckabee (Rep)	2	1.02%
Duncan Hunter (Rep)	0	0%
Alan Keyes (Rep)	1	0.51%
John McCain (Rep)	5	2.54%
Ron Paul (Rep)	40	20.30%
Mitt Romney (Rep)	4	2.03%
Tom Tancredo (Rep)	0	0%
Fred Thompson (Rep)	9	4.57%
Joe Biden (Dem)	3	1.52%
Hillary Clinton (Dem)	29	14.72%
Christopher Dodd (Dem)	1	0.51%
John Edwards (Dem)	13	6.60%
Mike Gravel (Dem)	7	3.55%
Dennis Kucinich (Dem)	18	9.14%
Barack Obama (Dem)	41	20.81%
Bill Richardson (Dem)	7	3.55%
Cynthia McKinney (third party)	4	2.03%
Kent Mesplay (third party)	0	0%
Brian Moore (third party)	0	0%
Voters: 197. You may not vote on this poll

14th November 2007, 03:04 AM	#1
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	JREF Presidency Poll Okely Dokely, who's your favorite right now?
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14th November 2007, 03:16 AM	#2
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	There are even more third-party candidates, but the poll is limited to 20 options... Third parties Main article: United States third party presidential candidates, 2008 Constitution Party Candidates for the Constitution Party: Don J. Grundmann† of California (Campaign site) Bryan Malatesta† of Texas [40] Diane Beall Templin† of California[41] Green Party Candidates for the Green Party (Official Press Release): Jared Ball† of Washington DC (Campaign site) Elaine Brown† of Georgia [42] (Campaign site) Jesse Johnson† of West Virginia, former Mountain Party candidate for US Senate and Governor of West Virginia Jerry Kann† of New York (Campaign site) Cynthia McKinney of Georgia, former Congresswoman[43][44] Kent Mesplay of California, California Delegate to the Green National Committee (Campaign site) Kat Swift† of Texas, co-chair of Texas Green Party (Campaign site) Potential candidates Ralph Nader of Connecticut [45] (Draft Movement) Rebecca Rotzler† of New York [46] Libertarian Party Candidates for the Libertarian Party: Daniel Imperato of Florida (Campaign Site) Bob Jackson of Michigan (Campaign Site) Mike Jingozian of Oregon (Campaign Site) Steve Kubby of California (Campaign Site) Alden Link of New York. (Campaign Site) George Phillies of Massachusetts (Campaign Site) Wayne Allyn Root† of Nevada (Campaign Site) Christine Smith of Colorado (Campaign Site) Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_U....ertarian_Party
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14th November 2007, 04:43 AM	#3
FireGarden Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Spannungsbogen -- without a visa Posts: 5,043	I voted as a JREF member in a JREF poll. I am British not American, however. So there you go. I've got no idea what Ron Paul's policies are beyond getting out of Iraq. He got my vote anyway.
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14th November 2007, 04:54 AM	#4
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by FireGarden I voted as a JREF member in a JREF poll. I am British not American, however. So there you go. I've got no idea what Ron Paul's policies are beyond getting out of Iraq. He got my vote anyway. And that's a wise decision for a non-American citizen.
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14th November 2007, 05:23 AM	#5
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	If there would be no Paul, I probably would be in favor of Obama as well. I like the Idea that a non-whitey runs the country. But unfortunately, he has no political relevant records at all...
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14th November 2007, 05:30 AM	#6
Tailgater Illuminator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,212	I'm not ready to vote yet. I'm split with most of the candidates. It's more of picking who I won't vote for at this point.
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14th November 2007, 05:37 AM	#7
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by Tailgater I'm not ready to vote yet. I'm split with most of the candidates. It's more of picking who I won't vote for at this point. I think the thread wont be deleted - so just vote if you took your pick. Or you could start a multiple-choice counter-thread - asking "Who wouldn't you vote for?".
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14th November 2007, 05:46 AM	#8
DoubtingStephen Queer Propagandist Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,548	As the most vocal, and nearly only, opponent in the US Congress of our war of imperialist aggression based on a pack of lies, Dennis Kucinich got my vote. I realize that a snowball is more likely to get a membership on the board of directors in Hell than the good Representative is to be elected, but the poll asked who I liked, not which candidate I was most desperate to vote against. That will be next November. Next year I expect to be voting against a guy that wears magic underwear. I expect the woman I vote for will lose.
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14th November 2007, 05:57 AM	#9
Tailgater Illuminator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,212	Originally Posted by Oliver I think the thread wont be deleted - so just vote if you took your pick. Or you could start a multiple-choice counter-thread - asking "Who wouldn't you vote for?". That's ok. I have to go run data for a new preschool in the next town. I'll think about it till later. I actually do like Ron Paul in many ways. I have a thing for third party candidates to begin with. I admit I voted Ross Perot just to shake the boat. I'm +economic conservative/+social liberal, which I think many are turning to. As far as Iraq, I don't want us to stay there indefinitely, but I don't want us to pullout overnight. Progress has been made of lately and needs to be followed through with. I'm hoping that the recent progress and beginning withdrawal of surge brigades will continue and a start of complete withdrawal be happening by the time I vote.
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14th November 2007, 06:40 AM	#10
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by Tailgater That's ok. I have to go run data for a new preschool in the next town. I'll think about it till later. I actually do like Ron Paul in many ways. I have a thing for third party candidates to begin with. I admit I voted Ross Perot just to shake the boat. I'm +economic conservative/+social liberal, which I think many are turning to. As far as Iraq, I don't want us to stay there indefinitely, but I don't want us to pullout overnight. Progress has been made of lately and needs to be followed through with. I'm hoping that the recent progress and beginning withdrawal of surge brigades will continue and a start of complete withdrawal be happening by the time I vote. Well - the crux is that there will be chaos anyway as soon as the US is out of Iraq. So it doesn't really matter if they stay or leave ... And therefore progress isn't important at all unless you're in favor of a police state in Iraq ... [In contrast to freedom and democracy for Iraq]
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14th November 2007, 06:45 AM	#11
Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waiting Long Enough By The River Posts: 17,897	Originally Posted by FireGarden I've got no idea what Ron Paul's policies are beyond getting out of Iraq. He got my vote anyway. Oh boy ...

14th November 2007, 06:55 AM	#12
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,225	Originally Posted by Dr Adequate Oh boy ... Consider that me might be a voter in your country. Good news, or bad? @ Oliver: You failed to include Alfred E. Newman and Kinky Friedman in your poll. DR
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14th November 2007, 07:49 AM	#13
Tsukasa Buddha Other (please write in) Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NeverLand Posts: 9,880	Kucinich is closer to my values on the issues that are important to me. And he's cute. But I will probably vote for Obama, or Edwards if he can distinguish himself more. In the general election, I will be voting against the other candidate.
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14th November 2007, 08:27 AM	#14
Wolfman Chief Solipsistic Autosycophant Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Dongguan, China Posts: 11,809	Well, yet another non-American here (Canadian), but if I were to vote, my first choice based on my current knowledge of the candidates would be Obama. Why? Simply because the biggest international problem facing the world today is the conflict between the U.S. and Muslim nations. And out of every candidate, I think that Obama is the one in the best position to understand both sides. I doubt very much that he would find a solution -- I don't believe any real 'solution' would be possible within only 4 or 8 years of his potential presidency -- but he could at least set policies that could start things moving in the right direction. I don't think he'll be "pro-Muslim", or soft on terrorists -- quite the opposite, I expect he'll be very hard on terrorist groups -- but I believe he's better equipped to understand the differences between the Muslim hardliners, and the moderates; and to establish policies that, instead of further alienating all Muslims (as the current administration is doing), will bring moderates more towards "our" side. Personally, as a non-American, I don't give a crap about his ability to manage America's internal situation; and were I American, I don't know, my opinion might be different. But since the major impact that any US president will have on my life, and my country, will be in terms of international politics/conflict, I think that Obama is by far the best choice.
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14th November 2007, 08:33 AM	#15
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by Wolfman Simply because the biggest international problem facing the world today is the conflict between the U.S. and Muslim nations. HAHAHAHAAAA!
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14th November 2007, 08:42 AM	#16
KoihimeNakamura Creativity Murderer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Graham, WA Posts: 6,846	As of now, I'd vote Obama, but eh... (in any case, Oliver, just because you refuse to admit it...)
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14th November 2007, 09:08 AM	#17
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14th November 2007, 10:39 AM	#18
The Central Scrutinizer Penultimate Amazing Pither Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The White Zone Posts: 42,264	I picked Ron Paul, because I felt sorry for him and didn't want him to end up with only 1 vote (Oliver's). And since I'm not really going to vote for him (absent suffering a major head trauma), I have now rendered the poll results meaningless.
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14th November 2007, 10:47 AM	#19
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14th November 2007, 10:49 AM	#20
daredelvis Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 1,865	Originally Posted by Darth Rotor @ Oliver: You failed to include Alfred E. Newman and Kinky Friedman in your poll. DR Pat Paulson (even though he's dead). Or, is Colbert the new Paulson? Daredelvis

14th November 2007, 10:59 AM	#21
FireGarden Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Spannungsbogen -- without a visa Posts: 5,043	Originally Posted by Dr Adequate Oh boy ...
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14th November 2007, 11:01 AM	#22
Garrette Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 10,540	Originally Posted by Wolfman Well, yet another non-American here (Canadian), but if I were to vote, my first choice based on my current knowledge of the candidates would be Obama. Why? Simply because the biggest international problem facing the world today is the conflict between the U.S. and Muslim nations. And out of every candidate, I think that Obama is the one in the best position to understand both sides. I doubt very much that he would find a solution -- I don't believe any real 'solution' would be possible within only 4 or 8 years of his potential presidency -- but he could at least set policies that could start things moving in the right direction. I don't think he'll be "pro-Muslim", or soft on terrorists -- quite the opposite, I expect he'll be very hard on terrorist groups -- but I believe he's better equipped to understand the differences between the Muslim hardliners, and the moderates; and to establish policies that, instead of further alienating all Muslims (as the current administration is doing), will bring moderates more towards "our" side. Personally, as a non-American, I don't give a crap about his ability to manage America's internal situation; and were I American, I don't know, my opinion might be different. But since the major impact that any US president will have on my life, and my country, will be in terms of international politics/conflict, I think that Obama is by far the best choice. I suggest that is a self-defeating reason to vote for him. Rightly or wrongly, in the US he risks the "Only Mondale can go to China" syndrome.
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14th November 2007, 11:10 AM	#23
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,882	Ok, fess up, who voted for Alan Keyes? It would be a right laugh with him in the oval office.

14th November 2007, 11:12 AM	#24
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,882	Why Romney Darth? Thought you were a McCain man?

14th November 2007, 01:08 PM	#25
Kerberos Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,608	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus Ok, fess up, who voted for Alan Keyes? It would be a right laugh with him in the oval office. You can see who voted for what, at least I can (Cain in this case).
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14th November 2007, 01:53 PM	#26
zakur Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,265	What? No 'Planet X' option? WTF kind of jref forum poll is this?
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14th November 2007, 02:19 PM	#27
Tsukasa Buddha Other (please write in) Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NeverLand Posts: 9,880	Originally Posted by zakur What? No 'Planet X' option? WTF kind of jref forum poll is this? LOL, I am so going to write in Planet X if it is Clinton v Giuliani.
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14th November 2007, 02:32 PM	#28
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	Originally Posted by zakur What? No 'Planet X' option? WTF kind of jref forum poll is this? All the candidates are a planet X option.
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14th November 2007, 02:37 PM	#29
CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,804	Originally Posted by DoubtingStephen I expect the woman I vote for will lose. Against who?
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14th November 2007, 02:40 PM	#30
DoubtingStephen Queer Propagandist Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,548	Originally Posted by CFLarsen Against who? Against the guy with the magic underwear.
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14th November 2007, 03:42 PM	#31
Ion Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Diego, California, US Posts: 3,262	Originally Posted by DoubtingStephen As the most vocal, and nearly only, opponent in the US Congress of our war of imperialist aggression based on a pack of lies, Dennis Kucinich got my vote. ... I voted Kucinich too. Voting for Obama would be more realistic though.

14th November 2007, 03:44 PM	#32
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,782	Originally Posted by DoubtingStephen Against the guy with the magic underwear. I don't like Romney,but I suggest attacking his religon is not a smart political move.

14th November 2007, 03:57 PM	#33
DoubtingStephen Queer Propagandist Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,548	Originally Posted by Ion I voted Kucinich too. Voting for Obama would be more realistic though. I liked Obama early on when he was talking about uniting the country, and popular feel good things like that. But as he begins to be more specific I see an increase in things I do not like, such as pandering to the religious right by associating his otherwise good name with evangelists who talk about curing homosexuality. If I want that kind of crap I can just vote Party of Jesus. At least Obama is an intelligent and well educated man, not much at all like many of his peers in the Senate. And he speaks English as if he learned it as a child, so there is one up on Our Glorious Christian Leader. I do lean more toward the Democrats generally because they seem to be up to 4% less evil. But it has been clear to me for years that any primary contender I might like has a maximum of no chance at all of appearing on the actual election ballot unless I bring a ball point pen with me into the booth, and it's not easy to write on those darn computer screens! I wish we had more than 1.01 major parties to choose from.
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14th November 2007, 04:40 PM	#34
latent aaaack Muse Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: 98229 Posts: 928	Obama can't spell "flak" (indicating he's never read it in print), keeps comparing himself to Abraham Lincoln, and thinks he's bold and ambitious for talking directly with tyrant foriegn leaders rather than a tool. Intelligent - no, charismatic and good at pronouncing - yes. GWB's greatest legacy is lowering the standard for future presidents, like having a really ugly person around you to make one look less ugly. He and Hillary also make the prospect of a military coup more likely.
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