kirby in branson

edteach · 14th November 2007, 06:13 PM

I went to see the kirby show in branson. I am not trying to be nasty but they did a part where his wife [bambi] did a mind reading trick, it was obvious that there were camers and a wireless ear pc. The show was not that good as far as I was concerned, it was a kids show at best. any one else see this.

firecoins · 15th November 2007, 11:48 AM

where is kirby?

Obviously I did not see it. Can you go a bit more into detail?

edteach · 19th November 2007, 08:13 PM

His wife bambi was blind folded and turned her back to the audiance, Kirby went through out the audiance and picked things from the different people and held them up and his wife would tell the audiance what he was holding, there were two people on each side of the place up high in black boxes, the only reason they would have been there is to watch what was being picked and then radio it to a hiden ear piece.

Bob Klase · 19th November 2007, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by edteach

there were two people on each side of the place up high in black boxes, the only reason they would have been there is to watch what was being picked and then radio it to a hiden ear piece.

That's the *only* reason they would have been there? Wow- that really is amazing. An entire theater that runs itself without any crew or technicians. I wonder how Kirby does the act when he doesn't have a theater with high boxes or places to hide the people with the radios, like two of the places where I've seen him.

Garrette · 20th November 2007, 05:52 AM

I'm with Bob on this. Spies and earpieces are the least likely way this occurred. I personally don't perform this kind of effect, but I know the methods of a few who do, and the practice and sureness involved are impressive.

greymatters · 21st November 2007, 01:53 AM

This reminds me of a thought experiment Max Maven once called Schrödinger's Illusion Box.

We have a closed box in which we have enclosed Siegfried. Also in the box is a potion that, in one hour, has a 50% chance of changing him into Roy. You keep the box closed, and wait an hour. Who is now in the box?

Kirby Van Burch.

sthomson · 26th November 2007, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by edteach

His wife bambi was blind folded and turned her back to the audiance, Kirby went through out the audiance and picked things from the different people and held them up and his wife would tell the audiance what he was holding, there were two people on each side of the place up high in black boxes, the only reason they would have been there is to watch what was being picked and then radio it to a hiden ear piece.

Richard Feynman explained one way to do this trick, in one of his autobiographies. It's really quite clever, and doesn't involve spies or earpieces.

The people dressed in black could have been stage managers, VIPs, spot-light operators, sound board dudes, curtain-pullers...

Brown · 26th November 2007, 04:57 PM

The show "Charlie's Angels" was 110% stupid, but the show once did a bit about how mindreading could be accomplished by use of verbal cues. They played the scene for laughs, and it was actually quite a funny scene (uncharacteristic for the show). The dialog went something like this:

Kris (acting as the mindreader's assistant, holding up an audience member's car keys): I don't want to STEER you wrong with this item.
Bosley (blindfolded): You're holding up ... a side of beef?

Of course, real mindreading acts (cough, cough) don't do this sort of thing.

Loss Leader · 26th November 2007, 05:41 PM

Is it really ruining a magic trick to say how this is done? I mean, it's the oldest and silliest thing in the world.

In any case, if I were trying to think of how this trick were done, I'd start by noticing that there are only a finite number of things people bring with them to a theater - money, driver's licence, lipstick, etc. And there are only a finite number of colors. Then I'd write them all down and figure out a way so that when my assistant is going through the audience, she only picks the ten or so things on the list in one of the four or five colors on the list.

Then I'd just have to figure out a way for my assistant to communicate that information to me using only her voice but in a way that the audience couldn't tell the communication was occurring.

Seriously, I have never practiced magic in my life. This cannot be the type of secret the magician's code was designed to protect.

edteach · 26th November 2007, 06:48 PM

No it was done with ear pc. and radio, she did one where kirby give a pack of cards to 5 different people and goes in great detail to hole the deck and flip throught the cards and stop on one card, he made it very clear that they were not to flip throught the deck and just remember a card, they had to stop on one card for a second. and kirby was in front of them several ft. the only way this could be done and have to have the audiance help and the need to stop on one card with out "flipping thorugh the deck and just pick one as it flips by is the radio and ear pc. This is not the old code to convey the card or item trick.

Loss Leader · 26th November 2007, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by edteach

No it was done with ear pc. and radio, she did one where kirby give a pack of cards to 5 different people and goes in great detail to hole the deck and flip throught the cards and stop on one card, he made it very clear that they were not to flip throught the deck and just remember a card, they had to stop on one card for a second. and kirby was in front of them several ft. the only way this could be done and have to have the audiance help and the need to stop on one card with out "flipping thorugh the deck and just pick one as it flips by is the radio and ear pc. This is not the old code to convey the card or item trick.

I'm sorry. Once again I am not a magician but can't you do a force by slightly shaving one card? Doesn't that interrupt the ruffle and cause people to stop on the card under the shaved card?

I mean, it's a force combined with a very tired mindreading shtick.

DJM · 26th November 2007, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by edteach

No it was done with ear pc. and radio, she did one where kirby give a pack of cards to 5 different people and goes in great detail to hole the deck and flip throught the cards and stop on one card, he made it very clear that they were not to flip throught the deck and just remember a card, they had to stop on one card for a second. and kirby was in front of them several ft. the only way this could be done and have to have the audiance help and the need to stop on one card with out "flipping thorugh the deck and just pick one as it flips by is the radio and ear pc. This is not the old code to convey the card or item trick.

Of course, you have no idea how a certain card trick is done so it has to be with an earpiece. You might not know this, but even sawing a woman in half involves an earpiece. And when a magician makes someone vanish? You got it.

In fact when you go buy magic books or DVD's, most of that that is dedicated to earpieces, and how to find the greatest spies. This is the key of magic.

Bob Klase · 27th November 2007, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by edteach

No it was done with ear pc. and radio, she did one where kirby give a pack of cards to 5 different people and goes in great detail to hole the deck and flip throught the cards and stop on one card, he made it very clear that they were not to flip throught the deck and just remember a card, they had to stop on one card for a second. and kirby was in front of them several ft. the only way this could be done...

You keep saying "the only way this could be done". You're very wrong. There are several ways this could be done but since we don't give methods here (or aren't supposed to anyway) I suppose you'll have to keep thinking "that's the only way it could be done" while people who know better realize that that's merely the only way you can think of to do it.

sthomson · 27th November 2007, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Loss Leader

Is it really ruining a magic trick to say how this is done? I mean, it's the oldest and silliest thing in the world.

I'm not a magician, but I don't like to do other people's research for them. Attribute my hesitancy to that.

14th November 2007, 06:13 PM	#1
edteach Scholar Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 59	kirby in branson I went to see the kirby show in branson. I am not trying to be nasty but they did a part where his wife [bambi] did a mind reading trick, it was obvious that there were camers and a wireless ear pc. The show was not that good as far as I was concerned, it was a kids show at best. any one else see this.
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15th November 2007, 11:48 AM	#2
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19th November 2007, 08:13 PM	#3
edteach Scholar Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 59	His wife bambi was blind folded and turned her back to the audiance, Kirby went through out the audiance and picked things from the different people and held them up and his wife would tell the audiance what he was holding, there were two people on each side of the place up high in black boxes, the only reason they would have been there is to watch what was being picked and then radio it to a hiden ear piece.
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20th November 2007, 05:52 AM	#5
Garrette Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,964	I'm with Bob on this. Spies and earpieces are the least likely way this occurred. I personally don't perform this kind of effect, but I know the methods of a few who do, and the practice and sureness involved are impressive.
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21st November 2007, 01:53 AM	#6
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19th November 2007, 11:16 PM	#4
Bob Klase Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Largo, FL Posts: 2,445	Originally Posted by edteach there were two people on each side of the place up high in black boxes, the only reason they would have been there is to watch what was being picked and then radio it to a hiden ear piece. That's the only reason they would have been there? Wow- that really is amazing. An entire theater that runs itself without any crew or technicians. I wonder how Kirby does the act when he doesn't have a theater with high boxes or places to hide the people with the radios, like two of the places where I've seen him.

26th November 2007, 10:06 AM	#7
sthomson Muse Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 706	Originally Posted by edteach His wife bambi was blind folded and turned her back to the audiance, Kirby went through out the audiance and picked things from the different people and held them up and his wife would tell the audiance what he was holding, there were two people on each side of the place up high in black boxes, the only reason they would have been there is to watch what was being picked and then radio it to a hiden ear piece. Richard Feynman explained one way to do this trick, in one of his autobiographies. It's really quite clever, and doesn't involve spies or earpieces. The people dressed in black could have been stage managers, VIPs, spot-light operators, sound board dudes, curtain-pullers...
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26th November 2007, 04:57 PM	#8
Brown Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Twin Cities, Canada Posts: 9,115	The show "Charlie's Angels" was 110% stupid, but the show once did a bit about how mindreading could be accomplished by use of verbal cues. They played the scene for laughs, and it was actually quite a funny scene (uncharacteristic for the show). The dialog went something like this: Kris (acting as the mindreader's assistant, holding up an audience member's car keys): I don't want to STEER you wrong with this item. Bosley (blindfolded): You're holding up ... a side of beef? Of course, real mindreading acts (cough, cough) don't do this sort of thing.
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26th November 2007, 05:41 PM	#9
Loss Leader Opinionated Jerk Tagger Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York Posts: 6,251	Is it really ruining a magic trick to say how this is done? I mean, it's the oldest and silliest thing in the world. In any case, if I were trying to think of how this trick were done, I'd start by noticing that there are only a finite number of things people bring with them to a theater - money, driver's licence, lipstick, etc. And there are only a finite number of colors. Then I'd write them all down and figure out a way so that when my assistant is going through the audience, she only picks the ten or so things on the list in one of the four or five colors on the list. Then I'd just have to figure out a way for my assistant to communicate that information to me using only her voice but in a way that the audience couldn't tell the communication was occurring. Seriously, I have never practiced magic in my life. This cannot be the type of secret the magician's code was designed to protect.
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26th November 2007, 06:48 PM	#10
edteach Scholar Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 59	No it was done with ear pc. and radio, she did one where kirby give a pack of cards to 5 different people and goes in great detail to hole the deck and flip throught the cards and stop on one card, he made it very clear that they were not to flip throught the deck and just remember a card, they had to stop on one card for a second. and kirby was in front of them several ft. the only way this could be done and have to have the audiance help and the need to stop on one card with out "flipping thorugh the deck and just pick one as it flips by is the radio and ear pc. This is not the old code to convey the card or item trick.
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26th November 2007, 08:32 PM	#11
Loss Leader Opinionated Jerk Tagger Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York Posts: 6,251	Originally Posted by edteach No it was done with ear pc. and radio, she did one where kirby give a pack of cards to 5 different people and goes in great detail to hole the deck and flip throught the cards and stop on one card, he made it very clear that they were not to flip throught the deck and just remember a card, they had to stop on one card for a second. and kirby was in front of them several ft. the only way this could be done and have to have the audiance help and the need to stop on one card with out "flipping thorugh the deck and just pick one as it flips by is the radio and ear pc. This is not the old code to convey the card or item trick. I'm sorry. Once again I am not a magician but can't you do a force by slightly shaving one card? Doesn't that interrupt the ruffle and cause people to stop on the card under the shaved card? I mean, it's a force combined with a very tired mindreading shtick.
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26th November 2007, 08:46 PM	#12
DJM Muse Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 783	Originally Posted by edteach No it was done with ear pc. and radio, she did one where kirby give a pack of cards to 5 different people and goes in great detail to hole the deck and flip throught the cards and stop on one card, he made it very clear that they were not to flip throught the deck and just remember a card, they had to stop on one card for a second. and kirby was in front of them several ft. the only way this could be done and have to have the audiance help and the need to stop on one card with out "flipping thorugh the deck and just pick one as it flips by is the radio and ear pc. This is not the old code to convey the card or item trick. Of course, you have no idea how a certain card trick is done so it has to be with an earpiece. You might not know this, but even sawing a woman in half involves an earpiece. And when a magician makes someone vanish? You got it. In fact when you go buy magic books or DVD's, most of that that is dedicated to earpieces, and how to find the greatest spies. This is the key of magic.
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27th November 2007, 08:26 AM	#13
Bob Klase Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Largo, FL Posts: 2,445	Originally Posted by edteach No it was done with ear pc. and radio, she did one where kirby give a pack of cards to 5 different people and goes in great detail to hole the deck and flip throught the cards and stop on one card, he made it very clear that they were not to flip throught the deck and just remember a card, they had to stop on one card for a second. and kirby was in front of them several ft. the only way this could be done... You keep saying "the only way this could be done". You're very wrong. There are several ways this could be done but since we don't give methods here (or aren't supposed to anyway) I suppose you'll have to keep thinking "that's the only way it could be done" while people who know better realize that that's merely the only way you can think of to do it.

27th November 2007, 08:36 AM	#14
sthomson Muse Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 706	Originally Posted by Loss Leader Is it really ruining a magic trick to say how this is done? I mean, it's the oldest and silliest thing in the world. I'm not a magician, but I don't like to do other people's research for them. Attribute my hesitancy to that.
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