The Case of Foxy Knoxy

Darth Rotor · 16th November 2007, 07:48 AM

http://www.newsweek.com/id/70610

When life imitates art, art coming in the form of a slasher film, I weep. My own memories of a visit to Perugia, about ten years ago, is of a delightful city in the Italian regione of Umbria, complete with Etruscan ruins, the usual medieval duomo, and the joy of regional Italian cuisine, and of course, vino locale.

Our own visit to Perugia was marred slightly by what I refer to as "Needle Park, East." We discovered it as we took a walk near the duomo, and found discarded needles in profusion, any number with blood on them, in a small park behind a historic landmark. While the people dressed in retro punk regalia, and spiked hair, in the palazzo was a curious juxtaposition of the modern and the antique, the reality of modern habits didn't seem to me any improvement on Perugia's standard charms.

Too bad that didn't remain the only mar on Perugia's beauty. It appears that some folks got carried away with "rough sex" that ended in the death of British student, Meredith Kercher.

Quote:

The case has riveted Europe, tapping into prurient curiosity as more sordid details leak out from judicial documents as well as partisan political divisions in a nation divided over immigration. A 19-page report, released by investigating judge Claudia Matteini, tells a squalid tale of dangerous sex games and a disturbing tale about Knox, the blond, blue-eyed student from Seattle who adopted the online name "Foxy Knoxy." According to Matteini, "something went wrong" after the three suspects tried to get Kercher to submit to violent group sex. The judicial officer, saying that Kercher was tortured and repeatedly sexually assaulted, speculates that Knox held Kercher down while Sollecito, Lumumba and the mystery fourth suspect assaulted her. Forensic evidence shows that Kercher's neck was lightly scratched twice with a knife before a third and fatal swipe slit her throat.

How terribly sad, that a young life, and what should have been a positive experience of living/studying abroad, ended so horribly. My heart goes out to her parents.

What ever happened to the worst problem for a foreign woman in Italy being getting her backside pinched by groping Lotharios?

(Yes, it happened to my wife a few times.) As to Foxy Moxy, and her associates, if the initial info turns out to be true, then I wish the lot of them all the joy of Latina prison for a long, long time.

DR

bignickel · 17th November 2007, 01:55 PM

From what I've read so far about the incident, I don't see the evidence to convict this young woman; I do see alot of people in the press and government who would like to.

So far, we have conflicting statements from the young woman, in which she admitted that she had taken the narcotics the night before. It would explain why she couldn't exactly remember what happened. Her fingerprints were found on a knife belonging to her boyfriend; color me surprised. There is a photo of her on the web with a weapon, and another with drug paraphernalia; this proves she did what, how? The police lab couldn't find her own fingerprints in her own room: this shows she's guilty, and not that the lab is incompetent, how?

If there is any evidence here that would warrant an actual trial, I have yet to see it in any of these articles.

Beerina · 19th November 2007, 09:38 AM

Man, this case'll keep Greta and Nancy with fodder for months. It's got it all! Hot murder victim. Sordid sex games. And another female as one of the victimizers! Wow! I'm sweating just thinking about it.

Darth Rotor · 19th November 2007, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Beerina

Man, this case'll keep Greta and Nancy with fodder for months. It's got it all! Hot murder victim. Sordid sex games. And another female as one of the victimizers! Wow! I'm sweating just thinking about it.

Even if Foxy Moxy isn't the perp, she seems to be involved with the other two, perhaps as an accomplice. What I don't understand is the attraction for violent sex. Not sure if Foxy was so attracted, or if the two men being investigated were more prominent in that regard.

Where does this ideation come from? Without someone else having shown me S & M material when I was a teenager, I'd have not come up with that idea for sexual play on my own. Is violent sex a derivative behavior? (I realize it's a rather broad category that can range from spanking to considerably more harmful, or potentially harmful, practices.)

DR

quixotecoyote · 19th November 2007, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

Where does this ideation come from? Without someone else having shown me S & M material when I was a teenager, I'd have not come up with that idea for sexual play on my own. Is violent sex a derivative behavior? (I realize it's a rather broad category that can range from spanking to considerably more harmful, or potentially harmful, practices.)DR

I would imagine that outside exposure to the pornography/participants/paraphernalia, it comes from popular media.

Here's an online gallery of Wonder Woman bondage:
http://www.superdickery.com/bondage/1.html

Somewhere out there is an essay regarding Charlie's Angels and their link into bondage-play, but good luck googling it, I tried and got some interesting but unrelated hits.

Once you've made that first connection, I'd think your imagination could take over and expand from there.

Azrael 5 · 25th November 2007, 04:13 PM

I read a funny witness statement from the German guy they arersted(4th suspect)-his alibi.
"I didnt have sex with her(Kircher)we ksised and touched.I went to the bathroom with a stomach pain.I didn't hear anything as I had my Ipod on,I saw an Italian man I fought with "etc etc.But he didnt bother to call cops.
It has been established he had sex with the victim Im wondering in the bathroom after kissing and touching and sex-where was his Ipod clipped?!)
Do u normally wear ipods to have sex in Germany?!

As for Foxy Knoxy? I htink she is scared and implicated but not a murderer.

Beerina · 26th November 2007, 12:37 PM

Isn't that rude, wearing an iPod so you can hear music during, but your partner can't?

Azrael 5 · 27th November 2007, 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by Beerina

Isn't that rude, wearing an iPod so you can hear music during, but your partner can't?

Not as rude as killing them.

Darth Rotor · 27th November 2007, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Beerina

Isn't that rude, wearing an iPod so you can hear music during, but your partner can't?

Agreed. For that reason, the Terminator killed that girl (Sarah's roomie) early on in the first film of that name. If you recall, early on she was doing the horizontal bop with her boyfriend, her Sony walkman earplugs in the whole time.

The Terminator was programmed to punish rudeness, as well as to kill Sarah Connor.

DR

ponderingturtle · 27th November 2007, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Beerina

Isn't that rude, wearing an iPod so you can hear music during, but your partner can't?

Depends. Is one person wearing a blindfold rude as the other can see?

Folks this is an old thread and since there is a current thread already discussing this case take any comments you have to that thread http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=196814 and don't bump this thread for comic relief. Thanks

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16th November 2007, 07:48 AM	#1
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,257	The Case of Foxy Knoxy http://www.newsweek.com/id/70610 When life imitates art, art coming in the form of a slasher film, I weep. My own memories of a visit to Perugia, about ten years ago, is of a delightful city in the Italian regione of Umbria, complete with Etruscan ruins, the usual medieval duomo, and the joy of regional Italian cuisine, and of course, vino locale. Our own visit to Perugia was marred slightly by what I refer to as "Needle Park, East." We discovered it as we took a walk near the duomo, and found discarded needles in profusion, any number with blood on them, in a small park behind a historic landmark. While the people dressed in retro punk regalia, and spiked hair, in the palazzo was a curious juxtaposition of the modern and the antique, the reality of modern habits didn't seem to me any improvement on Perugia's standard charms. Too bad that didn't remain the only mar on Perugia's beauty. It appears that some folks got carried away with "rough sex" that ended in the death of British student, Meredith Kercher. Quote: The case has riveted Europe, tapping into prurient curiosity as more sordid details leak out from judicial documents as well as partisan political divisions in a nation divided over immigration. A 19-page report, released by investigating judge Claudia Matteini, tells a squalid tale of dangerous sex games and a disturbing tale about Knox, the blond, blue-eyed student from Seattle who adopted the online name "Foxy Knoxy." According to Matteini, "something went wrong" after the three suspects tried to get Kercher to submit to violent group sex. The judicial officer, saying that Kercher was tortured and repeatedly sexually assaulted, speculates that Knox held Kercher down while Sollecito, Lumumba and the mystery fourth suspect assaulted her. Forensic evidence shows that Kercher's neck was lightly scratched twice with a knife before a third and fatal swipe slit her throat. How terribly sad, that a young life, and what should have been a positive experience of living/studying abroad, ended so horribly. My heart goes out to her parents. What ever happened to the worst problem for a foreign woman in Italy being getting her backside pinched by groping Lotharios? (Yes, it happened to my wife a few times.) As to Foxy Moxy, and her associates, if the initial info turns out to be true, then I wish the lot of them all the joy of Latina prison for a long, long time. DR
	__________________ Helicopters don't so much fly as beat the air into submission. "Jesus wept, but did He laugh?"--F.H. Buckley____"There is one thing that was too great for God to show us when He walked upon our earth ... His mirth." --Chesterton__"If the barbarian in us is excised, so is our humanity."--D'rok__ "I only use my gun whenever kindness fails."-- Robert Earl Keen__"Sturgeon spares none.". -- The Marquis Last edited by Darth Rotor; 16th November 2007 at 07:57 AM.

17th November 2007, 01:55 PM	#2
bignickel Mad Mod Poet God Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,724	From what I've read so far about the incident, I don't see the evidence to convict this young woman; I do see alot of people in the press and government who would like to. So far, we have conflicting statements from the young woman, in which she admitted that she had taken the narcotics the night before. It would explain why she couldn't exactly remember what happened. Her fingerprints were found on a knife belonging to her boyfriend; color me surprised. There is a photo of her on the web with a weapon, and another with drug paraphernalia; this proves she did what, how? The police lab couldn't find her own fingerprints in her own room: this shows she's guilty, and not that the lab is incompetent, how? If there is any evidence here that would warrant an actual trial, I have yet to see it in any of these articles.
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19th November 2007, 09:38 AM	#3
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	Man, this case'll keep Greta and Nancy with fodder for months. It's got it all! Hot murder victim. Sordid sex games. And another female as one of the victimizers! Wow! I'm sweating just thinking about it.
	__________________ "Great innovations should not be forced [by way of] slender majorities." - Thomas Jefferson The government should nationalize it! Socialized, single-payer video game development and sales *now!* More, cheaper, better games, right? Right?

19th November 2007, 09:43 AM	#4
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,257	Originally Posted by Beerina Man, this case'll keep Greta and Nancy with fodder for months. It's got it all! Hot murder victim. Sordid sex games. And another female as one of the victimizers! Wow! I'm sweating just thinking about it. Even if Foxy Moxy isn't the perp, she seems to be involved with the other two, perhaps as an accomplice. What I don't understand is the attraction for violent sex. Not sure if Foxy was so attracted, or if the two men being investigated were more prominent in that regard. Where does this ideation come from? Without someone else having shown me S & M material when I was a teenager, I'd have not come up with that idea for sexual play on my own. Is violent sex a derivative behavior? (I realize it's a rather broad category that can range from spanking to considerably more harmful, or potentially harmful, practices.) DR
	__________________ Helicopters don't so much fly as beat the air into submission. "Jesus wept, but did He laugh?"--F.H. Buckley____"There is one thing that was too great for God to show us when He walked upon our earth ... His mirth." --Chesterton__"If the barbarian in us is excised, so is our humanity."--D'rok__ "I only use my gun whenever kindness fails."-- Robert Earl Keen__"Sturgeon spares none.". -- The Marquis Last edited by Darth Rotor; 19th November 2007 at 09:45 AM.

19th November 2007, 10:38 AM	#5
quixotecoyote Howling to glory I go Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 9,621	Originally Posted by Darth Rotor Where does this ideation come from? Without someone else having shown me S & M material when I was a teenager, I'd have not come up with that idea for sexual play on my own. Is violent sex a derivative behavior? (I realize it's a rather broad category that can range from spanking to considerably more harmful, or potentially harmful, practices.)DR I would imagine that outside exposure to the pornography/participants/paraphernalia, it comes from popular media. Here's an online gallery of Wonder Woman bondage: http://www.superdickery.com/bondage/1.html Somewhere out there is an essay regarding Charlie's Angels and their link into bondage-play, but good luck googling it, I tried and got some interesting but unrelated hits. Once you've made that first connection, I'd think your imagination could take over and expand from there.
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25th November 2007, 04:13 PM	#6
Azrael 5 Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Yorkshire,Uk Posts: 5,029	I read a funny witness statement from the German guy they arersted(4th suspect)-his alibi. "I didnt have sex with her(Kircher)we ksised and touched.I went to the bathroom with a stomach pain.I didn't hear anything as I had my Ipod on,I saw an Italian man I fought with "etc etc.But he didnt bother to call cops. It has been established he had sex with the victim Im wondering in the bathroom after kissing and touching and sex-where was his Ipod clipped?!) Do u normally wear ipods to have sex in Germany?! As for Foxy Knoxy? I htink she is scared and implicated but not a murderer.
	__________________ "I achieve these results through a mixture of magic,misdirection,suggestion and showmanship"-Derren Brown

26th November 2007, 12:37 PM	#7
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	Isn't that rude, wearing an iPod so you can hear music during, but your partner can't?
	__________________ "Great innovations should not be forced [by way of] slender majorities." - Thomas Jefferson The government should nationalize it! Socialized, single-payer video game development and sales *now!* More, cheaper, better games, right? Right?

27th November 2007, 02:25 AM	#8
Azrael 5 Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Yorkshire,Uk Posts: 5,029	Originally Posted by Beerina Isn't that rude, wearing an iPod so you can hear music during, but your partner can't? Not as rude as killing them.
	__________________ "I achieve these results through a mixture of magic,misdirection,suggestion and showmanship"-Derren Brown

27th November 2007, 12:48 PM	#9
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,257	Originally Posted by Beerina Isn't that rude, wearing an iPod so you can hear music during, but your partner can't? Agreed. For that reason, the Terminator killed that girl (Sarah's roomie) early on in the first film of that name. If you recall, early on she was doing the horizontal bop with her boyfriend, her Sony walkman earplugs in the whole time. The Terminator was programmed to punish rudeness, as well as to kill Sarah Connor. DR
	__________________ Helicopters don't so much fly as beat the air into submission. "Jesus wept, but did He laugh?"--F.H. Buckley____"There is one thing that was too great for God to show us when He walked upon our earth ... His mirth." --Chesterton__"If the barbarian in us is excised, so is our humanity."--D'rok__ "I only use my gun whenever kindness fails."-- Robert Earl Keen__"Sturgeon spares none.". -- The Marquis